Spain’s numbers
Several people keep bringing up that we only have the State department numbers and don’t know what is happening in other countries. They always bring up the number of adoptions in Spain.
Spain’s web page sometimes lists the number of allocations they receive in a month. Following is what is listed on their web page. Google only translates part of the page for me, but I think I still figured it out without knowing Spanish. If someone else wants to scour the pages for me and see if I missed anything please do.
2004
March 124
Early June 77
Late June 64
November 61
2005
January 60
February 62
May 55
July 70
September 122
November 95
2006
February 2
March 38
April 155 (with an explanation that this month is so big because the last two have been so small)
Is there another source of information from Spain that might help? This is the best I can find.
April 29th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
I have been searching and can’t find the specific numbers for China adoptions! Frustrating!
April 29th, 2006 at 10:13 pm
Be careful with Spain’s numbers, as some of the families go with agencies, but some don’t. It seems to me too few in February, you’re maybe counting just the ones dealed by the State, but not the agencie’s (does someone understand my English? Congratulations!)
April 30th, 2006 at 9:03 am
please, rumorqueen, could you say to me from which page collects these data?.
I am spanish and I have not found these data, thanks.
May 1st, 2006 at 1:47 pm
My LID is June 14th, any word on the next group of assignments? Thanks…
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:16 pm
Hello queen,
Could you explain a bit these numbers? Do they correspond to the supposed LID dossiers in those months? I ask that because I’m also Spanish and these numbers don’t fit with the ones I read in the spanish boards and the ones that my friends in diferent DTC groups tell to me.
Congratulations for your work!!!
May 2nd, 2006 at 9:31 pm
Those are numbers straight from the Spanish site.
These numbers are people who have received referrals, listed by LID date. It is listed on the Spanish site for some months, but not all months.
I do not want to give out the url for the Spanish site, as their servers buckle under every time their URL is posted publicly. And when it goes down it tends to go down for a week or two, not just for the rest of the day.
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:13 pm
Hello again…
Really it’s difficult to compile exhaustive information relative to Spain.
The majority of people don’t use an agency, each agency knows only their own data and moreover, every autonomous region (17) is … autonomous!, with their own procedures, their own information and so on…
The best way (I think) is to join the month DTC groups (in fact LID groups), count tne number of participants, and make an estimation of how many people is not in internet to make out the real number of dossiers logged in each month.
For example in my group (LID january 2006) we are 68 registered families and we estimate that about 30-40% of the people don’t use Internet… That makes an estimation of about 120 LID in january 2006.
If we do the same witn each month, we can guess the approximate number of dossiers wairing for referral… but it’s only a guess!
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:24 pm
Do you mean 120 LID in all of Spain?
So, if Spain’s numbers have doubled then that’s a whopping 60 extra families a month?
No, I’m pretty sure those numbers are not contributing to the CCAA now matching families at one quarter of the rate they were doing so last year.
If we are to believe the 13,000 matches per year then that extra 60 per month would only be .0005%. Or maybe it’s .005%, too brain tired to do the math, but 60 extra families a year from Spain would not slow things down.
All I was doing with that one agencies numbers from Spain was comparing them, and it didn’t look like the current numbers are growing by leaps and bounds.
I have no way of knowing how many adoptions Spain is doing, but in order for it to make things slow down as much as they have with the CCAA still issueing the same amount of matches I would think there would need to be more like 400+ families a month.
Everything I’m seeing points to the fact that the CCAA is issueing less matches per month. A lot less.
May 3rd, 2006 at 11:50 pm
just curious RQ, did you research spain’s numbers because you suspect that spain is the 2nd largest country bringing home babies from china? (after the US) or more because you suspected that they had had a big boom of late which may have cause part of the slowdown? I ask because i wonder if we know anything about the UKs numbers or canada’s — there seem to be alot of canadians here. Bigger than spain maybe?
From these last comments, it sounds as though spain may bring home about 1500 babies per year. I wonder if thats the biggest after the US. And i wonder if there could have been big increases in canada and the UK, similar to the large increases in the US from year to year. ( well from 2000-2004 anyway — of course late 2005-2006 will an exception as i am sure the numbers will decline for the first time)
May 4th, 2006 at 12:20 am
I researched Spain because everytime I bring up State Department numbers, or the fact that some US agencies are reporting a lot less referrals this year than they had at this point last year… someone tells me that Spain has doubled the amount of people adopting and that will account for the difference.
From what I’m told, the UK doesn’t do enough to slow anything down.
And I have numbers for several other European countries and their numbers range from an average of around 10 per month to around 25 or 30 per month.
Australia also doesn’t appear to do enough to slow anything down.
I don’t have any official Canadian numbers. I do have numbers for two Canadian agencies, but that doesn’t tell me anything about the total for the country. Does anyone know where we can get some official numbers for Canada?
May 4th, 2006 at 2:12 am
thanks RQ — that makes sense. It’d be cool to see canadian numbers, assuming they are get-able. The US numbers are so easy to find, but the non-US stats are such a mystery.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:52 am
I can check to see if I might be able to find somewhere with the Canadian stats. I was actually told by one of the directors of our agency that Spain had bumped Canada down to third. So, my guess would be that the numbers we are hearing about Spain are distorted as this person is an extremely reliable source.