Anon Posting Rumor Thread
Let’s keep this thread for the rumors only, please.
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May 15th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
My mid-size agency told me this morning when I called to inquire about their SN list update today, that with a Dec. LID - It’s likely I could expect a NSN referral in the same amount of time it would take to travel for a SN match at this point (6-8 months). In other words, going the SN route wouldn’t likely shorten our wait with a Dec. LID. Which tells me they’re still holding out for around a 12 month wait for ‘05 LIDs NSN. OK, so I’m reading into things, but I’ll take what I can get.
May 15th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
2:39 - Did yuour agency say that your referral would come in at the same time as a SN referral, or would the referral take as long as to travel for a SN match? These are two different things.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Does anyone have any feedback for my comment posted yesterday that Fox News discussed International Adoption in a news segment Sunday, and Congresswoman Anne Northup of KY said that she had been in an orphanage in Beijing recently and there were (her words) “about 1000 girls that will likely never have the chance to be adopted by anyoneâ€.
The story steamed me a bit considering all of the rumors going around about “not enough children for IA”.
So what do you think? Here are my theories:
1. There are still PLENTY of female children/babies going without an adoption, but for PR reasons China wants it to look like there is a sudden scarcity
2. The delay is not about a lack of children, but a lack of staff at the CCAA.
3. The Olympics are coming up, and there is an effort to scale back on the very visible International Adoptions. (Americans holding babies in the streets)
4. There really is a shortage of healthy babies, and the Beijing orphanage the Congresswoman visited was filled with unfortunate children who are older or have defects (in other words not the “healthy, as young as possible” children).
May 15th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Just a reminder - let’s keep this thread for rumors and the other thread for discussion, please.
To the 2:56 anon - I’m guessing that her agency meant that she wouldn’t be home with her child any sooner if she changes to SN at this point.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
About the Beijing comment - I’ve heard the Beijing orphanages have quite a number of SN children (same with Shanghai). Since CCAA only allows the most minor SN children to be considered for adoption - there probably are many, many children that likely will never be adopted.
I still think there is a lack of paper-ready babies. I am hoping the situation improves but preparing for (hopefully) the worst.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
Last fall (Sept or Oct or Nov…I can’t remember exactly) I spoke with someone who used to work for an IA agency who said that the CCAA would instituting a quota on the number of IAs done. This seems to be inline with recent rumors I’ve seen lately on this board.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
I spoke to my Agency this morning - one of the big ones - and while this may not be exciting news, they expect referrals to be sent the week of May 29th.
Ugg. Two more weeks of wondering.
When I asked if they thought maybe my referral would in this batch (LID June 20th) they said, and I quote “the CCAA has the potential of doing two weeks.” These people should be in politics.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
We received an email udpate from our agency on Friday saying that their late-June referrals would not come in May. We’re LID 7/21 and they didn’t give any indication of our referrals date just that the June group would probably get there referral in June so we’re guessing that we’ll be in July or August.
May 15th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Hi Anon 3:53,
Can you tell us what date your agency has for :late June LIDs”?
Thanks!
May 15th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
I spoke with someone who works for a small agency whose facilitator returned 2 weeks ago from Beijing. This person has strong ties with the CCAA. This person said the main reason for the slowdown was the Hunan situation and how orphanage directors don’t want to send paperwork in because they are afraid to. This person said they are adding a lot to the paperwork as a safeguard and this is slowing things down. This person also said they thought referrals would stay slow for awhile then pick back up at some point. This person thought the ophanages would soon have more babies than they could handle if the directors didn’t start sending in more paperwork. Our own agency told me they are attributing the slowdown to a combination of Hunan, boy/girl ratio social problems, and the upcoming Olympics. Our agency says there are still plenty of babies needing homes.
May 15th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
Have also heard that some orphanage directors in Hubei, Hunan, and Guangdong are not releasing babies as usual due to the Hunan scandal. The media attention is huge and they are just sitting tight and keeping out of it and waiting for the investigation to be completed and for things to settle down. Jiangxi is supposedly running normally. This makes much more sense to me than the rumors about there not being enough children or that the Chinese have adopted them all. They are there, but they are not being put into the international adoption program, which seems logical.
May 15th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
I thought the investigation was over, people had been tried and convicted and the SD cleared everything as a “go”?
No?
May 15th, 2006 at 5:25 pm
It is still in the news everyday in China, so I’ve heard. The officials are watching everything more closely and the dossiers for babies are being more carefully scrutinized. No body wants to get tied up in it. If orphanage directors could make their salaries just dealing with orphanage affairs and avoid the international program at the moment, it might seem prudent to some. It seems that the officials who were caught in Hunan and Guangdong will go down pretty hard. It’s a very big deal.
http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm?Action=ReleaseDetail&ID=12614
May 15th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
I thought this was for rumors?
May 15th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
Our agency (large one) stated today that with our LID of 7/26 they are predicting an Oct referral. UGH!!
May 15th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
Our lid is 7/26 also with a very conservative agency, and they said last month that they anticipated our match in July.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:42 pm
test
May 15th, 2006 at 9:38 pm
i guess along with anon posting we will get ‘advertisements’ from all the china agencies, and long posts telling us what we already know plus some of what the ccaa wants us to believe. (fewer abandonments, lots of domestic adoptions, please!)
ridiculous!
p.s. the wait hasn’t been 10 months in 2 months. lets get up to date!
May 15th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
re anonymous at 9:38
i am not positive that the “advertisement” was posted directly from the agency as it does not match my knowledge of Eric or the agency he works for - i think it may have have been clipped and pasted.
May 15th, 2006 at 10:09 pm
Oct referral for late July? That means continuing with 1 wk LID per month!
May 15th, 2006 at 10:20 pm
test
May 15th, 2006 at 10:22 pm
I received a note from my agency on Friday indicating that those with a LID of June 27 would not receive their referral in May. The agency is guess-estimating that the LID’s of June 27 will receive their referrals in the June month-end referral batch. Although there is also some speculation that the June 27 LID’s could be pushed to the July month-end referral batch.
May 15th, 2006 at 10:46 pm
Spoke to my agency today and they told me that with a log-in of 9/7th there was still a possibility of an August referral. They said that they fully expected us to be home with the baby before the end of the year based on what they know. They said they really thought October or November travel was expected at this time. They said it can of course change but they did not expect things to stay as slow as they have been thus far. That made my day - at least for today :)!
May 15th, 2006 at 10:47 pm
anon 9:38 — Was that necessary?
May 15th, 2006 at 11:10 pm
We figure there’s two was to look at this, either the CCAA is going to continue at a snail’s pace of about 1 week per month…which is being called ‘worse-case’ by our agency, or they’re going to push at the 2-3week or maybe a bit more when it’s possible depending on the amount of LIDs to get through. So, everyone needs to ask themselves what they want to hold on to…do you feel like there’s a chance of the May group getting through to about 6/21 and June’s getting through early July’s LIDs? or do you feel like there’s more indications that it’s going to be late october for the late July LIDs with August LIDs starting in November and running through Feb of 2007? We all can only prepare for the worst and hope for the best…yes it’s cliche’, but only the CCAA knows what the CCAA is able to and going to do.
May 16th, 2006 at 1:23 am
As I stated in the wrong thread my agency met very recently with the CCAA and they said they wanted to keep the wait at 13 months. Sounds more positive than when they were on their grand tour.
May 16th, 2006 at 7:38 am
Anon 3:17 said: Since CCAA only allows the most minor SN children to be considered for adoption.
Have you looked at the waiting children sites? I don’t think kids without any arms or severe heart defects are in any way “minor”.
May 16th, 2006 at 8:47 am
Just a note that what some thought was an “advertisement” was not posted by the agency in question - that was an email sent out to the clients of that agency, and then that email was posted to a DTC group and then someone not from that agency posted it here. The person who posted it emailed me that she felt bad about posting it and asked that I remove it, and I did.
For those that didn’t see it, the synopsis of the email is that the wait is because of 1) Hunan, they are scrutinizing files and slowing down to show a strong resolve to not let this happen again; 2) the CCAA has more applicants than paper ready babies; 3) they are in the early stages of moving across town; 4) more domestic adoptions due to push by government to promote domestic adoption; 5) fewer abandonments. The CCAA hopes to have the wait at 10 months, but how high it goes before it goes back down to 10 months is unknown.