Hunan info
You guys really are the best. I’ve had about a dozen responses since my post asking for info for those with kids from Hunan.
It appears that only those orphanages that were affected by the scandal have ceased having referrals. Apparently a couple of people have heard that there were seven orphanages.
I’ve heard from one person with a child who is from an affected orphanage, and she confirms that they haven’t had any new referrals since late May of 2005. She states that they would traditionally see referrals from this orphanage 3 or 4 times a year. This tells me that perhaps the CCAA had stopped referring this orphanage before the scandal broke.
Another mom with a child from Hunan, but not from one of the affected orphanages, says they have seen 7 to 10 referrals a month and states that is how it has always been with their SWI.
Several people posted that they have seen referrals from their daughter’s orphanage as recently as March or April. Some noted that the babies were born last summer and fall, so they would have been pre-scandal.
A couple of people also emailed me that their agency had received Hunan referrals last month. And we had some people in the comments of the other Hunan post state that there are people in Hunan right now adopting their children.
So, it doesn’t appear that all Hunan adoptions have stopped. It does appear that they have stopped from some orphanages, rumored to be seven of them. It also appears that two of the orphanages involved in the scandal were huge, and that they contributed a lot of babies to the program.
Still, it would seem that referrals are at about 25% to 30% of what they were last year. Hunan was not responsible for 70% of the babies.
May 25th, 2006 at 11:16 am
I was just getting ready to tell you that we received a referral from Hunan last month. Guess others beat me to that info!
May 25th, 2006 at 11:52 am
Our first daughter is from Hunan so we requested Hunan again. It will be interesting to see if the request is honored. Of course we are a Dec LID…LOTS will have been corrected by the time they get to us!!!!
May 25th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
Anyone know what are the seven orphanages involved?
May 25th, 2006 at 2:05 pm
We aren’t even sure there are seven. Two people have heard that number, but I have no way to verify it.
May 25th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
From the Ask Jane yahoo group, someone had asked about the extended wait. Here is Jane’s response:
I’ve asked Michael to call over to CCAA and ask them! Will let you know what we find out.
Some general thoughts….
I don’t believe domestic adoptions are on that big an increase to impact international placements/referrals. What I do believe is that the new move to put all institutions under CCAA for the purpose of coordinating adoptions is causing a shuffle of employees, training, restructuring to accomodate and how to handle within new offices, etc. This could cause temporary delays but not likely long-term. Also, all the press about adoptions from China always tends to cause things to slow down and I suspect the recent Hunan investigations are creating some of this as well - imagine you are sitting on an office of files from Hunan orphanages and other places under investigation. Those files are getting sent back to the orphanages. Then other children’s files have to come forth from other orphanages to fill in the gaps on referrals that could not go out as anticipated. This will cause delays for sure but not permanent delays as eventually other orphanages would be sending more children forward if they have them. If fewer children are being abandoned in some regions then of course processing of referrals will be slower than in the past. Hunan is the largest province for international adoptions with something like 2,000+ kids per year so that number if bound to change in the short-term and have some impact on speed of referrals. I don’t think people should panic about it. My suspicions are that “slow” may be a good thing for the system inside China in the short-term as they have a huge public perception problem to deal with domestically and internationally. No country doing international adoptions wishes to appear to be “babyselling”.
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May 26th, 2006 at 1:52 am
New to the group. Would anyody be willing to briefly explain the details of the “Hunan” incident, or perhaps there in a section within this blog about it? I just want to have my facts straight and I’ve heard a few different things. Thanks. This group is wonderful!
May 26th, 2006 at 9:28 am
waitingforyou, it’s all summarized here:
http://hengdong.typepad.com/hengdong_swi/2006/03/change_reverts_.html
and here:
http://research - china. blogspot . com/2005/12/f inances-of-baby-trafficking.html
The first is from a blog of a very dedicated father of a girl from the SWI (Hengdong) whose director was sentenced to one year in prison for his role in the whole thing. The heaviest sentence meted out for this particular incident was 15 years in prison. By comparison, one year is relatively light, so this man cleary was not at the epicenter.
the second is from Brian Stuy, which, if you’ve been reading “the boards” at all, you probably know who he is by now.
May 26th, 2006 at 11:42 am
Does anyone know which orphanages where affected by the scandal. I remember reading about one of them somewhere, but can’t remember what it was. Knowing which ones would be nice…