Comments on: What do I do with this? http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/ Join the Rumor Queen as she looks for the latest rumors and then analyzes them, trying to figure out what the CCAA will do next. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:15:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: boots michigan http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1623 boots michigan Wed, 31 May 2006 23:45:23 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1623 LID1105... I hear ya... am also feeling a bit stuck (LID 11/28/05). If you were to switch, and you can pull out, you'd have a fast homestudy addendum (they switch the country details) and approval (here in Ontario anyhow). BUT... ALL of your originals would have to be resubmitted / recreated for the new agency / process. It's a money and time re-investment... and a huge emotional tussle... 2-3 months to have a new dossier, plus a new wait time... no guarantees on Russia, Kazakhstan or other country's process.... etc etc etc. That's all I've found out so far! One thing I'm noticing is that the more I research the 'other' options, the more stressful this wait becomes..... it's like trying to look with dual-vision, seeing two things at once and not having a relaxed knowledge that you're going with one. Hard..... especially if you like to be in control of things and appreciate a simple process. LID1105… I hear ya… am also feeling a bit stuck (LID 11/28/05).
If you were to switch, and you can pull out, you’d have a fast homestudy addendum (they switch the country details) and approval (here in Ontario anyhow). BUT… ALL of your originals would have to be resubmitted / recreated for the new agency / process. It’s a money and time re-investment… and a huge emotional tussle… 2-3 months to have a new dossier, plus a new wait time… no guarantees on Russia, Kazakhstan or other country’s process…. etc etc etc.

That’s all I’ve found out so far! One thing I’m noticing is that the more I research the ‘other’ options, the more stressful this wait becomes….. it’s like trying to look with dual-vision, seeing two things at once and not having a relaxed knowledge that you’re going with one. Hard….. especially if you like to be in control of things and appreciate a simple process.

]]> By: livinglife http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1559 livinglife Wed, 31 May 2006 18:24:10 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1559 Crazy4Emily, I believe your agency had the same thing happen in May when their LIDs didn't get referrals along with everyone else. You are right it is odd so let us know if you figure anything out. Crazy4Emily,
I believe your agency had the same thing happen in May when their LIDs didn’t get referrals along with everyone else. You are right it is odd so let us know if you figure anything out.

]]> By: lizzie http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1555 lizzie Wed, 31 May 2006 18:09:32 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1555 I have read all of the books that you mention GraciesMom. I agree wholeheartedly that it will take generations to change the culture. Consider how much we still deal with racism in this country, although we try to present ourselves to the world as being democratic and open minded. The great thing about the DSC doc. was that it is current(done this year) and it was done by Discovery channel, not the Chinese government. I'm sure that they had some control in where the cameras and reporters were allowed to travel, but I believe that the Discovery channel is unbiased in it's reporting. Of course, any communist government would want us to believe that their party was best, but I think that China understands that the world no longer sees communism as an acceptable form of government. They are moving forward to make strides in history, so that the focus will be on the "middle class" and the 'equality of women", in a communism party. We all know that there is poverty in the rural communities, and that the people in these provinces rely on sons. My point is that as people move to the cities for jobs, as millions are doing, they will become more financially stable, and there will be a different chance of growth for women. Relate it in some form to the U.S. I am in an interrracial marraige. I can assure you that living in a city is better for us than living in MOST rural counties(I say most, because I do not believe that any blanket statement can be made about racism and the way that people react). I think it is important to note that millions of people are moving to the cities in China! With that move comes life experience and knowledge, and I believe that the trend of babies being abandoned will slow considerably. Selfishly, I would have liked to go back for a second daughter, and I may not get that chance. But, I am, of course, thrilled for the babies that will be able to be raised with their families and the girls that will get to go to school. I have no experience in the business world of China so I cannot speak about the quality, but if what you say is true, and people start buying from other countries, that in itself would cause the opposite effect. There is no certainty to the future of China. I have read all of the books that you mention GraciesMom. I agree wholeheartedly that it will take generations to change the culture. Consider how much we still deal with racism in this country, although we try to present ourselves to the world as being democratic and open minded. The great thing about the DSC doc. was that it is current(done this year) and it was done by Discovery channel, not the Chinese government. I’m sure that they had some control in where the cameras and reporters were allowed to travel, but I believe that the Discovery channel is unbiased in it’s reporting. Of course, any communist government would want us to believe that their party was best, but I think that China understands that the world no longer sees communism as an acceptable form of government. They are moving forward to make strides in history, so that the focus will be on the “middle class” and the ‘equality of women”, in a communism party. We all know that there is poverty in the rural communities, and that the people in these provinces rely on sons. My point is that as people move to the cities for jobs, as millions are doing, they will become more financially stable, and there will be a different chance of growth for women. Relate it in some form to the U.S. I am in an interrracial marraige. I can assure you that living in a city is better for us than living in MOST rural counties(I say most, because I do not believe that any blanket statement can be made about racism and the way that people react). I think it is important to note that millions of people are moving to the cities in China! With that move comes life experience and knowledge, and I believe that the trend of babies being abandoned will slow considerably. Selfishly, I would have liked to go back for a second daughter, and I may not get that chance. But, I am, of course, thrilled for the babies that will be able to be raised with their families and the girls that will get to go to school. I have no experience in the business world of China so I cannot speak about the quality, but if what you say is true, and people start buying from other countries, that in itself would cause the opposite effect. There is no certainty to the future of China.

]]> By: crazy4emily http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1553 crazy4emily Wed, 31 May 2006 18:07:59 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1553 I met "I just KNOW they are telling people 2nd week of June" in the above. Sorry for the typo. I met “I just KNOW they are telling people 2nd week of June” in the above. Sorry for the typo.

]]> By: crazy4emily http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1552 crazy4emily Wed, 31 May 2006 18:06:40 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1552 For June my agency had LID 6/13 and 6/17. Which they recently grouped together as one "travel group". It appears that the 6/13 LIDs have not yet received their referrals. (they don't mention that this is strange at all, which I personally think is very odd) What we got from our agency is that they are hoping for referrals for this travel group the second week of June. So I took it to mean that they are expecting more to be sent out then. I've heard of other agencies that sometimes have LIDs in a certain date range but get "skipped" during the batch they should have received a referral. I'm honestly not sure if that is what happened here or not. I just don't they are telling people the second week of June for the next batch of referrals. Sounded hopeful to me! For June my agency had LID 6/13 and 6/17. Which they recently grouped together as one “travel group”. It appears that the 6/13 LIDs have not yet received their referrals. (they don’t mention that this is strange at all, which I personally think is very odd) What we got from our agency is that they are hoping for referrals for this travel group the second week of June. So I took it to mean that they are expecting more to be sent out then. I’ve heard of other agencies that sometimes have LIDs in a certain date range but get “skipped” during the batch they should have received a referral. I’m honestly not sure if that is what happened here or not. I just don’t they are telling people the second week of June for the next batch of referrals. Sounded hopeful to me!

]]> By: Meghan http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1540 Meghan Wed, 31 May 2006 16:52:39 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1540 crazy4emily - what are your agency's LID's for June? Do they have any others after 6/17? crazy4emily - what are your agency’s LID’s for June? Do they have any others after 6/17?

]]> By: debann2000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1535 debann2000 Wed, 31 May 2006 15:50:22 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1535 crazy4emily, I LOVE that rumor! Please let us know if you hear more! I'm lid 6/24, so I'll take anything that remotely looks like movement in a forward direction at this point. Thank you! crazy4emily, I LOVE that rumor! Please let us know if you hear more! I’m lid 6/24, so I’ll take anything that remotely looks like movement in a forward direction at this point. Thank you!

]]> By: RumorQueen http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1534 RumorQueen Wed, 31 May 2006 15:45:57 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1534 Graciesmom - you haven't actually been to China recently, have you? Many of those books you are talking about were written a long time ago. Things are changing rapidly. Very rapidly. Much of what was true 10 years ago is now a memory of how things used to be. Babs - I would also expect that referral rates would gradually change due to the new prosperity and not give the sudden drop that we've seen. While most people now have a lot more money, and for the first time now have a good amount of expendable income... we have seen the referral rates drop way too fast for this to be the only reason. Graciesmom - you haven’t actually been to China recently, have you? Many of those books you are talking about were written a long time ago. Things are changing rapidly. Very rapidly. Much of what was true 10 years ago is now a memory of how things used to be.

Babs - I would also expect that referral rates would gradually change due to the new prosperity and not give the sudden drop that we’ve seen. While most people now have a lot more money, and for the first time now have a good amount of expendable income… we have seen the referral rates drop way too fast for this to be the only reason.

]]> By: ladybuginnebraska http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1532 ladybuginnebraska Wed, 31 May 2006 15:33:33 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1532 I just hope that us adopting parents that logged in at the end of 05 will be ok, I have to get refinger printed in Aug I'd hate to pay the additional fee's and then be told that they are closing the program, I do see this happening at some point with their economy growth, and what are they going to do about olympic time? With so many people that are logged in? People that are just starting the process I hope that they are being informed of this crazy wait and potential problem around olympic time. I have called other agency's just to be nozy and asked about other countries and the wait times are growing there too. I just hope that us adopting parents that logged in at the
end of 05 will be ok, I have to get refinger printed in Aug
I’d hate to pay the additional fee’s and then be told that
they are closing the program, I do see this happening at
some point with their economy growth, and what are they
going to do about olympic time? With so many people that
are logged in? People that are just starting the process
I hope that they are being informed of this crazy wait and
potential problem around olympic time. I have called other
agency’s just to be nozy and asked about other countries
and the wait times are growing there too.

]]> By: GraciesMom http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1531 GraciesMom Wed, 31 May 2006 15:30:46 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/05/31/what-do-i-do-with-this/#comment-1531 Dear Lizzie Says: I watched that also along with reading at least a dozen books on the subject. Now do not forget, there is NO freedom of speach in China. Everything is controlled by the government. Women are not allowed to be told by a sonagram the sex of their babies, because they will terminate their pregnancy if its a girl. China also has no social security system. It is written somewhere in their constituion that a "boy" is basically their only social security system. The Lost Daughters of China, by National Geographics is excellent. It basically says the same thing. So of course, China or any communist country is going to say how well communision works! If I was the Head of the Party, I would most certainly paint a rosey colored picture of my government. Read the books that are written by Chinese Americans that have fled the country. Bound feet Western Dress, Second Daughter, and Lost Daughters of China (not written by a Chinese American, but adoptive partent) to name a few. Amy Tan is a very good author. I also found out that their are on phyciatrist or therapist in China. Why, there is no freedom of speach. Imagaine, you can't even speak what is on mind or heart. China also has the highest rate of female suicides. The practice of killing baby girls and the disregard for females is so inbreed into them, it will take generations to change. Believe me, I really hope and I pray for this to change. I often wonder what I will tell my daughter when she is old enough to read some of these things herself? Also, my husband owns a large manufacturing business in the USA. He manufactures woodcarving tools. He was forced to go to China for some material and piece work. The first batch of work comes back beautiful. But the rest after that, are horrible. He also is purchasing another manufacturing business (has to do with paint cans), and will be working with a major manufacturing business that does business all over the world. He told my husband at first, everyone was going over to china to buy their products. But he is seeing a steady number of manufactures returning back to the States and other countries other than China. China is very difficult to work with is what we have been told. You need to buy in bulk rates. Dear Lizzie Says:

I watched that also along with reading at least a dozen books on the subject. Now do not forget, there is NO freedom of speach in China. Everything is controlled by the government. Women are not allowed to be told by a sonagram the sex of their babies, because they will terminate their pregnancy if its a girl. China also has no social security system. It is written somewhere in their constituion that a “boy” is basically their only social security system. The Lost Daughters of China, by National Geographics is excellent. It basically says the same thing. So of course, China or any communist country is going to say how well communision works! If I was the Head of the Party, I would most certainly paint a rosey colored picture of my government. Read the books that are written by Chinese Americans that have fled the country. Bound feet Western Dress, Second Daughter, and Lost Daughters of China (not written by a Chinese American, but adoptive partent) to name a few. Amy Tan is a very good author. I also found out that their are on phyciatrist or therapist in China. Why, there is no freedom of speach. Imagaine, you can’t even speak what is on mind or heart. China also has the highest rate of female suicides. The practice of killing baby girls and the disregard for females is so inbreed into them, it will take generations to change. Believe me, I really hope and I pray for this to change. I often wonder what I will tell my daughter when she is old enough to read some of these things herself? Also, my husband owns a large manufacturing business in the USA. He manufactures woodcarving tools. He was forced to go to China for some material and piece work. The first batch of work comes back beautiful. But the rest after that, are horrible. He also is purchasing another manufacturing business (has to do with paint cans), and will be working with a major manufacturing business that does business all over the world. He told my husband at first, everyone was going over to china to buy their products. But he is seeing a steady number of manufactures returning back to the States and other countries other than China. China is very difficult to work with is what we have been told. You need to buy in bulk rates.

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