Several items
- The CCAA is in Australia. At one of the get togethers two late November LID families were told by one of the CCAA officials that they only have another four months to wait.
- One of the better known (largish?) agencies has told their people that there will be no new restrictions for 2007, that if there were to be new guidelines they would have heard about it by now.
- CWTS (China Women’s Travel Service) is reportedly going to have a two week delay in getting people to China because of the upcoming CCAA move.
The first item is exciting, as the CCAA is going to have to do more than a month at a time between now and October in order to refer the November families in October.
I’m not sure what to think about the second item – we have some agencies who are waiting on new guidelines and assuring their people that the new guidelines should only effect those who are not LID yet… and then this agency assuring their people there will not be new guidelines.
And the last item… I’m getting really tired of the whole moving thing. My husband thinks I should just check the CCAA address while I’m there looking for other updates and assume that if the address hasn’t changed that they haven’t moved. I’m beginning to think I’ll just stop listening to rumors and follow his advice.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:01 pm
Woo hoo to rumor 1!!!! Love it.
I don’t know what to think about rumor 2.
I have heard from several BTDT’s that the CCAA move rumor floats around every couple of years and never comes true.
Thanks RQ for keeping us all updated!!!!!!
July 11th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
I’m with Leia (hows the cat) woohoo to positive rumors. rq, i think your dh has a great idea re: the move. i’m still hoping and crossing the fingers for an august referral.
lid-8-8
July 11th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
The thing is, the move is more than a rumor this time. We have it from enough sources that they DO have another building lined up and expected to make the move in April, but the networking and phone lines weren’t installed when they expected them to be.
What we don’t know is when they will finally get around to making the actual move, and how much that will effect referrals in the month that it happens. I’m still looking at rumors of the move because I am afraid that the month they actually move we might see a dip in referrals.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:13 pm
With Rumor 1, we could actually receive our referral in August with our LID 8/24/05. I can’t even begin to think it is possible, yet. I am afraid to get my hopes up only for them to come crashing down.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
jfkof3 — we have 3 cats (two dogs and fish too) (-: one of which is having behavioral problems and is on steroids for health reasons. Lovely life here on the minifarm! Keeps me occupied while waiting for my sweetie. I think I’ll have a beer or two to celebrate this latest great news!
LID 8-24-05
July 11th, 2006 at 9:16 pm
Oh, one other thing.
If a November 25th (just picking a late LID at random) is to get their referral in October then the CCAA will have to average 37.5 days per referral batch.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Cheers, Leia. our wristbands are on the way..yea ! i received an email today. Thanks, rq, i will sleep well tonight.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:19 pm
you beat me to it, i was just calculating the math, rq. you’re tops.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:30 pm
When I calculated four months I thought August, September, October, November. I didn’t count July because it’s almost halfway done. Four months from now is mid November. So I would guess that the CCAA officials meant November.
Not to rain on the October parade, ;P but I wonder about going from 13 days of referrals to 37. Seems like a huge jump. Although it could happen; with this crazy ride, I’ve learned that with the CCAA anything is possible.
Last time this month I thought there was a chance I’d be included in the last batch of referrals, as rumors were going out about all of June being included. It made me into the eternal pessimist to miss it by one stinky day.
I’m stalking for rumors as to when referrals will be sent. Come on referrals!
NOvary/ LID June 29
July 11th, 2006 at 9:39 pm
I’m seeing the math the same as NOvary, four months being November – which is still great news!
July 11th, 2006 at 9:42 pm
I did the same math as NOvary and mg, figuring that would amount to a 12 month wait. Hey, that’s fine by me since that would give me an October referral and travel this year. I’ll take it! RQ, did you get more info in the email that better explains how this “4 more months to wait” would mean an Oct referral for a Nov LID?, or am I missing something?
July 11th, 2006 at 9:45 pm
Since we have not seen any referrals for July, that’s why i agree with rq. But…either way is GREAT news.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:47 pm
I was thinking in batches, four more batches…. but I can see how ya’ll are seeing it, too.
Okay, so for them to refer late November in November they will have to average 30 days of LID’s per month for the next five batches.
Still a huge jump.. and I’m not getting my hopes up that high just yet.
And yet, even as I type that, my heart is fluttering.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:13 pm
adding my “yea” to the idea that the CCAA meant November referral when they said 4 months.
Either way….
does that mean…
possibly….
nawww it couldn’t…
i’m gonna be buying drinks for some people at the White Swan?
July 11th, 2006 at 10:15 pm
oh, and does this ring a bell about the gentleman here in CO that was told by Dir. Gen Lu that he could expect a referral in Nov/Dec…. hmmmmmmm
sneaky those CCAA people…hehehehehe
July 11th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
In regards to new guidelines for next year, I won’t necessarily belief the agency which says that we would know by now.
In 2001 when they put quotas on how many dossiers each agency could submit of December 2001, and limited singles to 5% of an agency total, the change was announced in OCTOBER 2001.
There was a big scramble for the next 6 weeks as everyone tried to get their dossier in before the deadline.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
I was reading 4 mo from now as Nov, also, but that’s still a great rumor I think. I’m late Dec and that gives me hope for Jan/Feb referral still (I’m way too afraid to even hold any hope for a referral by Christmas). That would mean 4+ weeks at a time.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:00 pm
Amazing that once the wait hit 12 months (the CCAA’s goal wait) that referrals are predicted to arrive within that time period! I’ve gotta believe this one, they know exactly how many dossiers and children they have to match for the next several months (they’ve been there >6 months).
Sorry, but I still think the process was artificially slowed down. But whatever the reason, I’m thrilled that we’re back on track for referrals 12 months from LID. The uncertain wait is killer.
Happy me will go celebrate for a bit! (until the next downer rumor)
July 11th, 2006 at 11:15 pm
I love this site! I love that in what feels like a blackhole there is always something here. Good or bad.
RQ your dh is a smart one. It made me wonder about the actual address. Would the CCAA have to notify agencies that there is a new address to ship dossiers? I wonder if that has happened?
Caroline
July 11th, 2006 at 11:25 pm
Hi Everyone! This is my first post. Still trying to learn the site navigation and everything. I’ll throw my vote in with those that rave what a great group of people this is. I’ve enjoyed the discussions here 1000 times more than I have on some other large yahoo group. We’re LID 11/28, so this latest rumor is especially exciting for us. Nice to have easily end the evening in a good mood!
July 11th, 2006 at 11:26 pm
Excuse me if I seem ignorant, Has the CCAA in the past made
it thru 30-days plus of referrals? And if yes there is a very
strong possibility that this is the real deal, My DH all along
has said 12-months, but with all the delay’s I have found
it very hard to believe. LID for Allison 11/18/05 :-)
July 11th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
ladybug…
last year. in June ’05 they matched 11/21/04 to 12/20/04 (as an example). They also followed that the following two referral batches as well…then it hit the wall.
I do believe they were doing those kind of referrals prior to the June ’05 group, but I don’t know how much since I only started really following the timeline then as we were to be turning in our Dossier a couple of weeks later. RQ could definitely answer that better.
I also have to say all …that it seems that one of, if not THE one constant thing we’ve heard this whole time was that the CCAA was going to try to keep things around 12 months. I can’t remember (RQ help?) when the first time was that this was mentioned, but it has stuck through all of the other rumours. Maybe it’s just me but I guess I never really caught on to that until today with this post from Aus. I just hope it’s not a dream…
July 12th, 2006 at 12:23 am
Thanks TGREDTHREAD, for the info. By the way Happy
Birthday!!!! I would just love to have Allison by the
beg. of the new year. Take care:-)
July 12th, 2006 at 12:28 am
I took it as November as well.
But, really, October…November…at this point either would be great for a November LID!
I’m thinkin’ it’s finally time to start that nursery…. :o)
Mary
LID 8/25
July 12th, 2006 at 12:53 am
Ladybuginnebraska,
30 days of LIDs referred each month was the norm for several months (maybe a year) with our last adoption. Like tgredthread said, that stopped about 8 or 9 months ago and this lesser amount per month thing started. I hope it is over soon and we go back to the one month worth of referrals every month. It was so predictable.
Debbie
should be DTC this week
July 12th, 2006 at 2:52 am
The CCAA always seems to maintain that the wait will be 12-months long when they are visiting other countries. I don’t want to rain on everyone’s party, but “guests” don’t usually go around disappointing their “hosts”. As much as I would love this 12-months-long wait to be true, I’m going to take all this with a huge grain of salt to prevent my heart from getting hurt again.
July 12th, 2006 at 3:08 am
TG….guess you are going to have to order a T-shirt with your screen name on it so we know who to collect our drinks at the WS from!! ;-)
July 12th, 2006 at 7:37 am
I can confirm that two Australian families did in fact talk with one of the CCAA officials during their visit this week, and they were told that they would have some good news in four months or so. How much weight to give this??? Only time will tell…With a LID of Nov 22nd, I sure hope it is true.
July 12th, 2006 at 8:01 am
Woo-hoo! With a LID 12/20/05, just maybe I’ll get my Christmas wish? A picture of my little daughter!!
Like others have posted I took the first rumor to mean from August as we are mid-way through July. If the CCAA is truly planning to keep the wait to ~12 months, this would be the timeframe to stick with.
Also, though, keep in mind that September is a small month– isn’t that correct RQ? So if the CCAA can process whole months through August and then all of Sept. and part of Oct in September– November is a big month– again is this correct RQ? They could match the first half of November in October and the second half in November. Then back to whole months in December.
Just some of my own thoughts/theories of how the referrals may play out.
It’s early here, to early for beer, maybe I can have a shot of Bailey’s for my coffee?
:-D
July 12th, 2006 at 8:11 am
smalltowngirl-
i like the t-shirt thing actually…gives me some ideas. :)
well, I have to say Zao Shang Hao! (good morning) first of all…and also…after the excitement of seeing the thing about the 4 more months for the Aus. families with Nov LIDs I have to say I came down from the euphoria a bit and thought of how they were going to pull that off with Oct and Nov being so large from what we speculate. But, I think it could be done if that’s what the CCAA plans to do. Who knows. Must think positive for a change…
I had …not exactly a dream as I was waking up…but something that felt like we were all going to find out when the time came that they matched through all but the last few days of July this time (basically 4 weeks) and after the DW and I jumped around the room screaming “we’re next” we realised that we had alot of things to do and started to panic that we wouldn’t get it all done before referral. yikes…the subconscious sure has a way of messing with you sometimes. hehe
Anywho…here’s to finally getting the “break” we all deserve in this wait, more rumours to back up the most of July thing…And here’s to hopefully finding out for real at the end of next week.
July 12th, 2006 at 8:17 am
Calamity…my thoughts exactly! Just trying to be “logical more than hopeful” at this point, seems to make perfect sense.
Thanks Rumor Queen for all of your research, imagine where we’d be if we had to endure this wait with no glimpses into what is going on!? You keep me sane…well mostly :)
Lynda
LID 11/7/05
July 12th, 2006 at 8:41 am
tgred– are you expecting an update from your agency? they seem to have been fairily accurate in the past !
LID 7/8 NEXT???
July 12th, 2006 at 8:55 am
As much as I’d love to believe rumor #1, I agree with Maria that it should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Seems to me a Chinese guest might feel it would be a loss of face to bring a host less-than-positive news… on the other hand, here’s hoping the “four month” assertion is at least not off by more than a month or two. It will be interesting to see what the CCAA move does to referral wait times IF they finally do move. If they bring on more staff, woo-hoo, things could really speed up!
July 12th, 2006 at 8:57 am
tgred,
with a 7/25 lid, i really, really, hope that dream of yours brought us to the 26th (wink). i’m going to go with a clean, monday the 31st cut, myself!??!?!
smile and breathe…….smile and breathe……
July 12th, 2006 at 8:58 am
2littleroses-
not so much from my agency because the little update they do is mid-month so anything they have now would be based on the past. I was really talking about how we seem to hear more substantiated talk coming from some of the European agencies. there’s what…two of them at least that have put what they think or believe the cut-off dates will be a few days before the referrals go out? And since next Friday is the 21st, I’m just guessing that by the end of next week we’ll hearing all that for this next group. Although if the CCAA does get through most of July, it will be interesting to find out what our agency has to say about where we fall for expecting our referral. ;)
July 12th, 2006 at 9:01 am
NOVARY – I received an e-mail from my SW this morning of what RQ has previously classified as a large agency….. the SW went on to say she called the main office (specifically the International Desk/China) and was told that the next batch will come at the end of July.
In doing the math (I totally suck at math so humor me here), it appears that referrals are sent out on average every 28-32 days…. over the last four months, CCAA updated their page on the following days:
June 22
May 23
Apr 25
Mar 24
It seems that there is a good chance the page could be updated near the end of next week. What do you guys think?
Lisa
LID 6-29-05
July 12th, 2006 at 9:03 am
kimava: smile and breathe…smile and breathe…
reminds me of Madagascar with the penguins “smile and wave boys…smile and wave…” hehe
July 12th, 2006 at 9:13 am
tgred,
yeah, cute, hadn’t thought of that……..the kids and i love that movie! btw, my oldest daughter just woke up, came down stairs, and told me she had a dream that the ccaa went to the 25th?!?! is that weird or what? i told her about your earlier post………seems that end of july is “on the brain” big time out there!!!!
:) & breathe…… :) & wave………!!!!!
July 12th, 2006 at 9:23 am
I have to say that I have always held on to the hope and expectation that the wait would stick at about 12 months. It did seem to be the general idea from the CCAA, everytime someone was able to ask them directly, like the person in my Nov LID group. My DH on the other hand, has pretty much despaired of ever seeing this happen at all, but he’s a strict pessimist. When people ask him how it’s going, he says, well, we don’t even know if we’re getting her anymore. Drives me crazy. So here’s to near a month of referrals this month and the subsequent!
July 12th, 2006 at 9:27 am
yahhh let’s go referrals!!!
*anxiously waiting for more rumours…this is going to be a long couple of weeks (or sooner)
July 12th, 2006 at 9:27 am
The CCAA was sending 2 months worth of referrals out back in 2004. I know it was a long time ago but it has been done. It’s hard to believe that they will do it again but you never know :) I’d be thrilled with one month.
dawn
lid 2/14
July 12th, 2006 at 9:46 am
I thought they only did 2 months at a time during the quota months.
July 12th, 2006 at 9:59 am
rosie, tell you dh that it is NOT an ‘iffy’, it is a ‘when’.
kimava, i’m trying to breath but my heart is fluttering with all the positive rumors.
tg, happy birthday. smalltowngirl has a fantastic idea re: the t-shirt. LOL !!!! Almost, snoopy dance time.
July 12th, 2006 at 10:16 am
xie xie jfkof3. :)
and yeah…was telling the DW about the t-shirt idea and she agreed (also said the shirt should have a ” August LID RQ fans get your drinks here” on it…hehe)
Actually I was thinking more of something like a purple/lavendar t-shirt with something to do with August (maybe do our LID to the referral or travel date) and then have maybe an American and Chinese flag inside an outline heart. the lettering would be in white…so it’d all be relative to the purple/white wristbands. you know…something cool but not cheesey. :)
July 12th, 2006 at 10:17 am
i spelled lavender wrong above…sorry. need more mt. dew…or a vacation…either way.
July 12th, 2006 at 10:27 am
TG- I have been thinking about t-shirts as well. I just have no idea what to put on them. My mil and fil will be traveling with us and I am trying to come up with some type of travel gifts for them and us too. Something to wear?!? I think it would be fun and will give me something to concentrate on during the wait between referral and travel.
July 12th, 2006 at 10:47 am
oh that is a good idea! After smalltowngirl mentioned the T-Shirt idea, it made me think of two different things. On the ‘China’s Lost Girls’ DVD, they showed some people that had t-shirts with their baby’s referral photo screenprinted on it…and also our agency has t-shirts that have their logo on the front and on the back a colourful dragon with a nice phrase relating to the adoption process. I know someone from work that likes to take ballcaps (plain) and then sew/embroider (whatever you call it…hey i’m a guy) different things on them like beads and the like.
I’m sure others here can help with ideas. we all seem to be pretty good at that. :)
July 12th, 2006 at 11:14 am
Hello Everyone, I think this is the best rumor we have
heard in a while, I hope we can all keep the excitement
up for the next few months to come. With a NOV-LID
I am thinking about the cost savings on the I1-71H, I
was talking with my agency the other day and they
advised me that the price of airline tickets have gone
up about a 1000.00. With alot of you so close have you
thought about going business or Coach? I have asked
around in the NOV-DTC group, Has anyone flown the
business class? Is it worth the extra $?
LID for Allison 11/18/05
July 12th, 2006 at 11:37 am
the DW was curious awhile back and checked to see what the difference was between coach and business…it was unreal how expensive business class was (and probably still is). Several people we’ve talked to over the wait that have done the journey said it’s a good idea to pay for a third seat for the return flight (if there’s just two going). I know we’re not going to be able to swing the business class seats.
July 12th, 2006 at 11:59 am
TG-Love the photo idea. We are with the same agency. I’ll have to check out those t-shirts. Thanks for the idea!!!
July 12th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
TGREDTHREAD, Thanks for the imput, I think I will do the
same, I just cant believe the price diifference, Maybe we
would be lucky to get a free upgrade…lol I have seen that
it some of the blogs.
July 12th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
free upgrades would be nice… hehe. let me know if you figure out a way to pull that off ;)
I think we’ll end up paying for a 3rd seat on the way back for sure. which makes me think…
Question for those who’ve done this already….if any of you did that…any problems with getting those booked as 3 seats together?
July 12th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
very welcome Leia. :)
July 12th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
We didn’t pay for an extra seat. It would have been a waste of money anyway, as Thea wanted to be ON me every single second. My daughter and her friend were with me, and we could not get 3 seats together on ANY flight. Other families may have had more luck. They were 16 though, and sat together while I sat with Thea on my lap a row back.
Let’s say it was… interesting to use the airplane bathroom while wearing a 17lb baby in a sling. But there was NO WAY she was leaving my arms, not for a second – any attempt was met with ear-splitting screams and crying so hard I thought she’d choke, plus she fought off whoever was trying to hold her. Wearing her in the sling was easiest for me, and comforted Thea the most.
I was exhausted by the time we got home, even sleeping part of the way (more dozing off here and there than “real” sleep. I don’t think I “caught up” on sleep for several months. The first days home were a blur. This time, I don’t *expect* things to even out for quite a while, and I am almost looking forward to those sleepless nights. Who am I kidding? I can’t WAIT for them!
July 12th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
With a 11/22 LID – I would totally love to see the referrals stay at 12 months, but a Nov LID coming in October would freak me out, as I have been using up a lot of my PTO so that I would not be stuck with a ton of it at the end of the year (we can only carry over 2 weeks of it into next year, but last year we were able to carry over more, so I had like 5 weeks to use up this year). I still have about 3.5 weeks left to use, and I will be using it more sparingly now as we wait for referrals each month. I just wish we could get some kind of answer so I could better plan my PTO usage. Argh.
Sherry in VT – we do not plan to buy an extra seat. My husband wanted to, but I talked him out of it. I’d rather save the $$.
July 12th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
TG, I like the ball cap idea. The purple and white adoption bracelet and a purple ball cap with white lettering. Something like “RQ fan.” A t-shirt has to be washed, a ball cap can be worn day after day. Just in case you were going to have a drink more than one day! :)
July 14th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
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