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		<title>By: spiritualknitter</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/15/what-do-the-agencies-know/comment-page-1/#comment-4985</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first time posting. My LID is 2/28/06. I am with a large, China-only agency, though I don&#039;t know if it is THE large, China-only agency talked about on this site. Though I was initially told 6-8 months, I learned through the newsletter the agency sends to us that the wait had gotten longer, right around the time our paperwork went in. They said it looked like 9-12 months, and for two months now have been saying it could be as long as 18. 

I have to say I have been impressed with our agency&#039;s willingness to be honest with me. They, like many others, say &quot;This is how it is now&quot; and &quot;it&#039;s hard to speculate.&quot; But their newsletter includes an estimated guess that goes 6 months out. And every time I have called them, they have patiently and courteously answered all my questions and listened to my fears and frustration. 

Even more impressive, when I started asking about trying to adopt my second child first, from Vietnam, rather than waiting for my first child and then getting the second from China, they were understanding and even helpful in showing me how that could be possible. And this means they will lose me as a &quot;repeat customer&quot;! I do believe they are non-profit so maybe that&#039;s why. Still it&#039;s impressive.

I still care a lot about the China wait, even though it now looks like we will get our son from Vietnam before the end of the year. We are putting our China adoption on hold for six months so our two kids don&#039;t come too close together. Since I will have the one, I won&#039;t be so stressed about when the second comes (in fact, not too close together is good). But I did want to try to have both my kids before I&#039;m 45 (I&#039;m 42). 

Sometimes it even seems like my agency has tried to tailor their answers to my situation. When I asked if it&#039;s possible that it could be as long as 24 months, they said the usual &quot;It&#039;s never been that long before,&quot; &quot;I would be surprised if that happened.&quot; But when pressed, she said &quot;possible&quot; and when pressed further even said &quot;likely.&quot; That may or may not be true, but I think she was trying to say, for someone like me, who&#039;s considering moving to Vietnam to try have 2 kids in the next three years, that it wouldn&#039;t be bad to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

The good news: When I go on hold, some of you will move up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first time posting. My LID is 2/28/06. I am with a large, China-only agency, though I don&#8217;t know if it is THE large, China-only agency talked about on this site. Though I was initially told 6-8 months, I learned through the newsletter the agency sends to us that the wait had gotten longer, right around the time our paperwork went in. They said it looked like 9-12 months, and for two months now have been saying it could be as long as 18. </p>
<p>I have to say I have been impressed with our agency&#8217;s willingness to be honest with me. They, like many others, say &#8220;This is how it is now&#8221; and &#8220;it&#8217;s hard to speculate.&#8221; But their newsletter includes an estimated guess that goes 6 months out. And every time I have called them, they have patiently and courteously answered all my questions and listened to my fears and frustration. </p>
<p>Even more impressive, when I started asking about trying to adopt my second child first, from Vietnam, rather than waiting for my first child and then getting the second from China, they were understanding and even helpful in showing me how that could be possible. And this means they will lose me as a &#8220;repeat customer&#8221;! I do believe they are non-profit so maybe that&#8217;s why. Still it&#8217;s impressive.</p>
<p>I still care a lot about the China wait, even though it now looks like we will get our son from Vietnam before the end of the year. We are putting our China adoption on hold for six months so our two kids don&#8217;t come too close together. Since I will have the one, I won&#8217;t be so stressed about when the second comes (in fact, not too close together is good). But I did want to try to have both my kids before I&#8217;m 45 (I&#8217;m 42). </p>
<p>Sometimes it even seems like my agency has tried to tailor their answers to my situation. When I asked if it&#8217;s possible that it could be as long as 24 months, they said the usual &#8220;It&#8217;s never been that long before,&#8221; &#8220;I would be surprised if that happened.&#8221; But when pressed, she said &#8220;possible&#8221; and when pressed further even said &#8220;likely.&#8221; That may or may not be true, but I think she was trying to say, for someone like me, who&#8217;s considering moving to Vietnam to try have 2 kids in the next three years, that it wouldn&#8217;t be bad to be prepared for the worst case scenario.</p>
<p>The good news: When I go on hold, some of you will move up!</p>
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		<title>By: katydid</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/15/what-do-the-agencies-know/comment-page-1/#comment-4878</link>
		<dc:creator>katydid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And at 18 months, will it then increase to 24?  Given the history over the past year, and the lack of trust that some of us seem to feel in our agencies, INS, and CCAA, don&#039;t we all need to wonder how accurate this info will turn out for those currently waiting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And at 18 months, will it then increase to 24?  Given the history over the past year, and the lack of trust that some of us seem to feel in our agencies, INS, and CCAA, don&#8217;t we all need to wonder how accurate this info will turn out for those currently waiting?</p>
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		<title>By: eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MomforTori -- i agree with everything you said. hang in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MomforTori &#8212; i agree with everything you said. hang in there.</p>
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		<title>By: tassiegirl</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/15/what-do-the-agencies-know/comment-page-1/#comment-4843</link>
		<dc:creator>tassiegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure iseirinne. Our department just told us that the wait will gradually increase up to the 18 month mark - it won&#039;t get to 18 months immediately, but eventually it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure iseirinne. Our department just told us that the wait will gradually increase up to the 18 month mark &#8211; it won&#8217;t get to 18 months immediately, but eventually it will.</p>
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		<title>By: iseirinne.adopt</title>
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		<dc:creator>iseirinne.adopt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tassigirl,
Is it for the &quot;new LID&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tassigirl,<br />
Is it for the &#8220;new LID&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: tassiegirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tassiegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we got the official word today about wait times. In Australia, all adoptions go through governmental departments, who are VERY reticent to give out any info re: wait times unless it comes straight from the CCAA. Following the CCAA visit last week, clients in Australia are now being officially advised that the wait time to allocation is to extend out to 18 months. This came directly from the relevant authorities at the CCAA. So sorry to have to tell you this, but I thought that you would want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we got the official word today about wait times. In Australia, all adoptions go through governmental departments, who are VERY reticent to give out any info re: wait times unless it comes straight from the CCAA. Following the CCAA visit last week, clients in Australia are now being officially advised that the wait time to allocation is to extend out to 18 months. This came directly from the relevant authorities at the CCAA. So sorry to have to tell you this, but I thought that you would want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: mom4tori</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom4tori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with those that have said their agencies know more than they are saying.  Our LID is 8-31-05 and we were told  to expect our referral in Feb 06.  We chose our China only agency because they kept saying how they have staff in China and know what is going on all the time and they keep the families informed.  What a bunch of crap!  I think they knew long before our LID that we would be waiting much longer than Feb and I still think they are holding back info.  They don&#039;t want new families to know about the wait or they might lose those families to other agencies that go to more countries than just China.  We also paid a lot of money for their services (and I use the term service very lightly) for which I certainly feel we have overpaid for what little service we received.  There really hasn&#039;t been any SERVICE from them except to tell us what documents we needed and sent them to China for us.  What kind of service are they really getting paid for? 

As for thinking of the children first, I am all for that.  I want them to think about my daughter first.  I certainly am.  I don&#039;t want her lying in a crib in an orphanage for one day longer than necessary, but almost feel like she is being held hostage to play some politcal power game.  We are all pawns in this big adoption game.  Our agencies hold the cards first when we give them half the cash down when we sign up.  The SW hold the cards as we put on our best faces and hope we present ourselves as good parents to be.  The US Govt then takes their turns with the documents, departmental regulations, and expiration dates that make no sense.  Back to the agency that collects their final payment as they send off the documents to China.  The documents we collected without their help I might add.  They have all their money now, so why should they be concerned about service?  Then CCAA straps us down and takes their turn while they scrutinize our documents and our lives while our daughters lie helpless in their cribs.  I think parents are thought of on a fairly common basis but only by those on power trips.  As adoptive parents we are supposed to embrace the cultures where our children come from, but after I return from China, I am not sure how I will feel about the country in light of the way CCAA treats adoptive parents, which is sad because I have been learning a lot since we started this journey and unlike the US that has very little history, China is filled with a vibrant and rich history.  I have never adopted before and will never do it again.  My heart has been broken in a million pieces over the last 2 years over this adoption and I just want by daughter and have a good life with her.  I would never recommend adopting from China to anyone, nor would I recommend the agency we are with.  I have little respect for those that care so little about others.

It has been another long weekend added to so many before on this waiting train.  I have gone from excited to sad and now I am just plain angry!  Thanks for letting me vent.  I hope and pray that what I have read from others will happen in that I will forget all of this heartache and anger when I hold my daughter the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with those that have said their agencies know more than they are saying.  Our LID is 8-31-05 and we were told  to expect our referral in Feb 06.  We chose our China only agency because they kept saying how they have staff in China and know what is going on all the time and they keep the families informed.  What a bunch of crap!  I think they knew long before our LID that we would be waiting much longer than Feb and I still think they are holding back info.  They don&#8217;t want new families to know about the wait or they might lose those families to other agencies that go to more countries than just China.  We also paid a lot of money for their services (and I use the term service very lightly) for which I certainly feel we have overpaid for what little service we received.  There really hasn&#8217;t been any SERVICE from them except to tell us what documents we needed and sent them to China for us.  What kind of service are they really getting paid for? </p>
<p>As for thinking of the children first, I am all for that.  I want them to think about my daughter first.  I certainly am.  I don&#8217;t want her lying in a crib in an orphanage for one day longer than necessary, but almost feel like she is being held hostage to play some politcal power game.  We are all pawns in this big adoption game.  Our agencies hold the cards first when we give them half the cash down when we sign up.  The SW hold the cards as we put on our best faces and hope we present ourselves as good parents to be.  The US Govt then takes their turns with the documents, departmental regulations, and expiration dates that make no sense.  Back to the agency that collects their final payment as they send off the documents to China.  The documents we collected without their help I might add.  They have all their money now, so why should they be concerned about service?  Then CCAA straps us down and takes their turn while they scrutinize our documents and our lives while our daughters lie helpless in their cribs.  I think parents are thought of on a fairly common basis but only by those on power trips.  As adoptive parents we are supposed to embrace the cultures where our children come from, but after I return from China, I am not sure how I will feel about the country in light of the way CCAA treats adoptive parents, which is sad because I have been learning a lot since we started this journey and unlike the US that has very little history, China is filled with a vibrant and rich history.  I have never adopted before and will never do it again.  My heart has been broken in a million pieces over the last 2 years over this adoption and I just want by daughter and have a good life with her.  I would never recommend adopting from China to anyone, nor would I recommend the agency we are with.  I have little respect for those that care so little about others.</p>
<p>It has been another long weekend added to so many before on this waiting train.  I have gone from excited to sad and now I am just plain angry!  Thanks for letting me vent.  I hope and pray that what I have read from others will happen in that I will forget all of this heartache and anger when I hold my daughter the first time.</p>
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		<title>By: waitbabywait</title>
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		<dc:creator>waitbabywait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. i just love the ad i always see on this page that says:

asian babies adoption
no waiting time for babies
6 months and up

they only forgot to add one thing:

&quot;lol&quot;

:)
&quot;the sarcastic one&quot; aka wBw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. i just love the ad i always see on this page that says:</p>
<p>asian babies adoption<br />
no waiting time for babies<br />
6 months and up</p>
<p>they only forgot to add one thing:</p>
<p>&#8220;lol&#8221;</p>
<p>:)<br />
&#8220;the sarcastic one&#8221; aka wBw</p>
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		<title>By: waitbabywait</title>
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		<dc:creator>waitbabywait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi angel:
they told us classes about adopting and parenting, and 10 hours worth. books may count, but i&#039;m not sure...
wBw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi angel:<br />
they told us classes about adopting and parenting, and 10 hours worth. books may count, but i&#8217;m not sure&#8230;<br />
wBw</p>
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		<title>By: MnMommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MnMommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t heard anything from our agency ever about our wait.  They haven&#039;t even mentioned the move that is now confirmed.  Do they know anything? I really don&#039;t think so.  I think they can&#039;t say anything because they simply just don&#039;t know.  I wish I knew what was going on.  We are just driving ourselves crazy with the wait.  I was just getting my head around getting our referral in Oct, but since last week with the new guesses it may not be until April 07.  That is just going to be too much for most of us to handle.  I really want to see some sort of REAL effort being made to move forward through the piles of dossiers that are waiting over there.  

I&#039;m an office administrator,  I could volunteer sometime to push some paperwork through!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t heard anything from our agency ever about our wait.  They haven&#8217;t even mentioned the move that is now confirmed.  Do they know anything? I really don&#8217;t think so.  I think they can&#8217;t say anything because they simply just don&#8217;t know.  I wish I knew what was going on.  We are just driving ourselves crazy with the wait.  I was just getting my head around getting our referral in Oct, but since last week with the new guesses it may not be until April 07.  That is just going to be too much for most of us to handle.  I really want to see some sort of REAL effort being made to move forward through the piles of dossiers that are waiting over there.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m an office administrator,  I could volunteer sometime to push some paperwork through!</p>
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