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		<title>By: Waiting For Jade</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6971</link>
		<dc:creator>Waiting For Jade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woo woo! congrats to all of you who are getting your referrals!

NOvary - how do i get to the pic of your baby??? can't find it on the link to the "adoption blogs"!

well, hopefully we'll be August/September!

LID 7/25</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woo woo! congrats to all of you who are getting your referrals!</p>
<p>NOvary - how do i get to the pic of your baby??? can&#8217;t find it on the link to the &#8220;adoption blogs&#8221;!</p>
<p>well, hopefully we&#8217;ll be August/September!</p>
<p>LID 7/25</p>
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		<title>By: pandamomma</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6958</link>
		<dc:creator>pandamomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wait4Hannah,

As far as boys go, there is still the stigma of being an unwed mother in China, and don't forget that in areas where the 1 child policy is strictly enforced, a family who gives birth to a second or third son may find themselves in the same difficult position as a family giving birth to a daughter.

As for domestic adoption, there are couples in China who suffer from infertility and other issues that prevent them from having biological children, just like in every other country!  Also, there are families in China who have raised biological children and then decide to adopt later in life, just like many people on this board!  China used to penalize Chinese couples for adopting (counting the adopted child against their one child "qouta," but my understanding is that prohibitive rule has been lifted.

For your own peace of mind, try not to jump to "all or nothing" conclusions.  Yes, the CCAA is placing more of an emphasis on domestic adoption, and yes, they are attempting to increase the adoption of special needs children.  But this doesn't mean that there won't be any healthy children available for adoption, it just means that we all may have to wait longer.

I understand that waiting longer than expected is difficult, but this is not the first time in the history of IA from China that they wait has significantly slowed down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait4Hannah,</p>
<p>As far as boys go, there is still the stigma of being an unwed mother in China, and don&#8217;t forget that in areas where the 1 child policy is strictly enforced, a family who gives birth to a second or third son may find themselves in the same difficult position as a family giving birth to a daughter.</p>
<p>As for domestic adoption, there are couples in China who suffer from infertility and other issues that prevent them from having biological children, just like in every other country!  Also, there are families in China who have raised biological children and then decide to adopt later in life, just like many people on this board!  China used to penalize Chinese couples for adopting (counting the adopted child against their one child &#8220;qouta,&#8221; but my understanding is that prohibitive rule has been lifted.</p>
<p>For your own peace of mind, try not to jump to &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; conclusions.  Yes, the CCAA is placing more of an emphasis on domestic adoption, and yes, they are attempting to increase the adoption of special needs children.  But this doesn&#8217;t mean that there won&#8217;t be any healthy children available for adoption, it just means that we all may have to wait longer.</p>
<p>I understand that waiting longer than expected is difficult, but this is not the first time in the history of IA from China that they wait has significantly slowed down.</p>
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		<title>By: breezy</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6952</link>
		<dc:creator>breezy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you said "Okay - for one thing with a 12/05 LID this makes me think I have no choice other than to apply for SN."

I really hope your agency isnt encouraging you to go SN because its faster.  People who choose this route need to be prepared for a life-long committment to a child's special needs.  Going the SN route shouldnt be a second choice to NSN, but a conscious and reasoned decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you said &#8220;Okay - for one thing with a 12/05 LID this makes me think I have no choice other than to apply for SN.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really hope your agency isnt encouraging you to go SN because its faster.  People who choose this route need to be prepared for a life-long committment to a child&#8217;s special needs.  Going the SN route shouldnt be a second choice to NSN, but a conscious and reasoned decision.</p>
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		<title>By: wait4hannah</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6934</link>
		<dc:creator>wait4hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have reald all of your posts about considering w/drawing from China and switching to another program. Needless to say, I have thought this so many times recently that I am driving myself crazy.

I got an offical e-mail from our agency today. The agency CEO just got back from China and had met with the CCAA.  There was a post from him on there - it basically said that China is going to start emphasizing more special needs adoptions. Less orphanges are submitting paperwork for healthy babies. It also stated that the CCAA encourages families in waiting to consider special needs adoption - even boys.  China is also starting to put more emphasis to domestic adoptions within CHina - this must be where all the healthy babies are going. 

Okay - for one thing with a 12/05 LID this makes me think I have no choice other than to apply for SN.  It sounds like by the time they get around to 12/05 LIDs there will not even be any healthy babies available. 

Secondly, this is just so bazaar about boys being available - even if they were special needs. Also what is the deal with domestic adoptions increasing???  China does still have the 1 child per family policy right??  

I e-mailed my family cooridnator about this. My homestudy and prints will expire soon and I just wanna know if we even have a realistic chance for a healthy referral at all at this point.  It is just getting hard to continue in a process, which i have lost confidence in. This angers me more than any lenth of wait would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have reald all of your posts about considering w/drawing from China and switching to another program. Needless to say, I have thought this so many times recently that I am driving myself crazy.</p>
<p>I got an offical e-mail from our agency today. The agency CEO just got back from China and had met with the CCAA.  There was a post from him on there - it basically said that China is going to start emphasizing more special needs adoptions. Less orphanges are submitting paperwork for healthy babies. It also stated that the CCAA encourages families in waiting to consider special needs adoption - even boys.  China is also starting to put more emphasis to domestic adoptions within CHina - this must be where all the healthy babies are going. </p>
<p>Okay - for one thing with a 12/05 LID this makes me think I have no choice other than to apply for SN.  It sounds like by the time they get around to 12/05 LIDs there will not even be any healthy babies available. </p>
<p>Secondly, this is just so bazaar about boys being available - even if they were special needs. Also what is the deal with domestic adoptions increasing???  China does still have the 1 child per family policy right??  </p>
<p>I e-mailed my family cooridnator about this. My homestudy and prints will expire soon and I just wanna know if we even have a realistic chance for a healthy referral at all at this point.  It is just getting hard to continue in a process, which i have lost confidence in. This angers me more than any lenth of wait would.</p>
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		<title>By: WaitingforHelena</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6913</link>
		<dc:creator>WaitingforHelena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waiting4Ash,

I definitely agree heart surgery and knee surgery are 2 different considerations.  Knee surgery in my mind is no big deal.  However, I had one agency shy away from me because of it (I think b/c of the multiple surgeries they were afraid the CCAA would reject me even though they were just knee surgeries).  It seems that the CCAA should accept a doctors word that if someone is a 100%, whether it be from a major procedure like heart surgery, or a minor one like knee surgery, and a doctor who is in the position to directly examine that person attests to that fact, that should be enough.  I'm wondering if the group as a whole has heard of anyone who was rejected even with a doctor's note stating that they are just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waiting4Ash,</p>
<p>I definitely agree heart surgery and knee surgery are 2 different considerations.  Knee surgery in my mind is no big deal.  However, I had one agency shy away from me because of it (I think b/c of the multiple surgeries they were afraid the CCAA would reject me even though they were just knee surgeries).  It seems that the CCAA should accept a doctors word that if someone is a 100%, whether it be from a major procedure like heart surgery, or a minor one like knee surgery, and a doctor who is in the position to directly examine that person attests to that fact, that should be enough.  I&#8217;m wondering if the group as a whole has heard of anyone who was rejected even with a doctor&#8217;s note stating that they are just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: waiting4Ash</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6882</link>
		<dc:creator>waiting4Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WaitingforHelena,
I would think heart surgery and knee surgery would be 2 different considerations. Especially since my husband's situation was "if you don't have this you will be dead in less than 5 years". He now has 110% recovery and several letters from his Doctors declaring this went in our dossier, but with China's changing conditions you never know. One letter even gives the Dr.'s very supportive, medical and personal opinions on hubby's ability to be a father. 

Our Agency said this was great, but I still worry. I guess I'll continue to worry right up until we have our referral.

LID 5/10/06</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WaitingforHelena,<br />
I would think heart surgery and knee surgery would be 2 different considerations. Especially since my husband&#8217;s situation was &#8220;if you don&#8217;t have this you will be dead in less than 5 years&#8221;. He now has 110% recovery and several letters from his Doctors declaring this went in our dossier, but with China&#8217;s changing conditions you never know. One letter even gives the Dr.&#8217;s very supportive, medical and personal opinions on hubby&#8217;s ability to be a father. </p>
<p>Our Agency said this was great, but I still worry. I guess I&#8217;ll continue to worry right up until we have our referral.</p>
<p>LID 5/10/06</p>
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		<title>By: WaitingforHelena</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaitingforHelena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to medical denials, how often does that occur with people with past surgeries.  I've had 5 knee surgeries in the last 4 years from some bad sports related accidents (3 of the surgeries from 1 skiing accident), am right now home recovering from the last one which was 1 1/2 weeks ago.  My prognosis is that I'm finally going to be back to 100% once my rehab is done.  I have no limitation of mobility.  Am I still in danger of a medical denial because I participate in sports at a fairly high level and therefore will get injured on occassion?  I'm in excellent health otherwise and very fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to medical denials, how often does that occur with people with past surgeries.  I&#8217;ve had 5 knee surgeries in the last 4 years from some bad sports related accidents (3 of the surgeries from 1 skiing accident), am right now home recovering from the last one which was 1 1/2 weeks ago.  My prognosis is that I&#8217;m finally going to be back to 100% once my rehab is done.  I have no limitation of mobility.  Am I still in danger of a medical denial because I participate in sports at a fairly high level and therefore will get injured on occassion?  I&#8217;m in excellent health otherwise and very fit.</p>
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		<title>By: my3gals</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6843</link>
		<dc:creator>my3gals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Handful:
We too have an LID of 3/7 and when we started our process in March of 05 the wait was 6 months.  Becuase of some circumstances beyond our control, we put our adoption on hold for 3 months and then picked up again in Sept. 05.  As for us, we firmly believe that God has put us on this journey and He has selected China.  He has proved Himself time and time again, so for US, we will WAIT the WAIT.  Our Darci is in China, I firmly believe she has not been born yet, but that is just my feelings.  As everyone else has said, it is most definitely a personal decision.  Best wishes to you as you decide what action to take.  Who know maybe we will see each other in China.
Debbie
DTC for Darci 3/7/06</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Handful:<br />
We too have an LID of 3/7 and when we started our process in March of 05 the wait was 6 months.  Becuase of some circumstances beyond our control, we put our adoption on hold for 3 months and then picked up again in Sept. 05.  As for us, we firmly believe that God has put us on this journey and He has selected China.  He has proved Himself time and time again, so for US, we will WAIT the WAIT.  Our Darci is in China, I firmly believe she has not been born yet, but that is just my feelings.  As everyone else has said, it is most definitely a personal decision.  Best wishes to you as you decide what action to take.  Who know maybe we will see each other in China.<br />
Debbie<br />
DTC for Darci 3/7/06</p>
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		<title>By: chinababy</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/07/30/clarification/#comment-6831</link>
		<dc:creator>chinababy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all are the next to know (after my husband).... we have only the basics of our referral of our second child! She's eight months old and from Hunan, in orphanage care. We're racing to our agency in Boston early this afternoon to get more info. Cannot wait!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all are the next to know (after my husband)&#8230;. we have only the basics of our referral of our second child! She&#8217;s eight months old and from Hunan, in orphanage care. We&#8217;re racing to our agency in Boston early this afternoon to get more info. Cannot wait!</p>
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		<title>By: waiting4Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>waiting4Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>handful,
I totally understand how you feel! 

We were still under working under the assumption of 10-12 month wait when we sent in our paper work in Apirl. Our LID is 5/10/06. It wasn't until after I started reading here that I realized how dismal the the wait time was becoming. We too chose China because of its stability. It even says so in our homestudy. I had a long talk with our agency about changing programs and she cautioned to hold our place in line. (The same way RQ put it.) 

So for now we are holding and I am watching the medical denials very closely. My husband had to have part of his heart replaced 4 years ago at age 29. Our homestudy also says that. The wait wouldn't be quite as hard if we knew for certian that no matter how long the tunnel got our daughter would be there. Right now, personally, I don't feel like I can change countries because I feel in my heart that that is where fate has put our daughter and I can't give up because of politics.

Have faith, there are many of here who are with you.

LID 5/10/06</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>handful,<br />
I totally understand how you feel! </p>
<p>We were still under working under the assumption of 10-12 month wait when we sent in our paper work in Apirl. Our LID is 5/10/06. It wasn&#8217;t until after I started reading here that I realized how dismal the the wait time was becoming. We too chose China because of its stability. It even says so in our homestudy. I had a long talk with our agency about changing programs and she cautioned to hold our place in line. (The same way RQ put it.) </p>
<p>So for now we are holding and I am watching the medical denials very closely. My husband had to have part of his heart replaced 4 years ago at age 29. Our homestudy also says that. The wait wouldn&#8217;t be quite as hard if we knew for certian that no matter how long the tunnel got our daughter would be there. Right now, personally, I don&#8217;t feel like I can change countries because I feel in my heart that that is where fate has put our daughter and I can&#8217;t give up because of politics.</p>
<p>Have faith, there are many of here who are with you.</p>
<p>LID 5/10/06</p>
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