Good news and scary news and good news.
Coming from multiple sources, it appears that referrals were mailed Friday. It’s not an r5, and it’s certainly not a fact… but I will give this one an r4.
And now for the scary news. The CCAA is still touring Europe. One of the countries they have visited has reported that the CCAA currently has more than 20,000 dossiers for adoption in progress and that at some point they will say that they will not accept any any more. Before you start asking me for details on this - I don’t know anything else. This is a rumor at this point, and not really a specific rumor. Maybe they will stop at 25,000, maybe they will stop in 2009. It does not say.
Back to good news, the same agency is reporting that the CCAA will not be putting any new rules into place starting December 1st, they are keeping the current rules and requirements.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Yikes. Yikes and yikes!
We’re about 2 weeks away from being dtc (our agency is translating and authenticating the paperwork now) and I’m starting to feel like every single day counts.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Good news is wonderful and bad news is really scary for those not logged in yet. It is not saying that they will stop forever but just stop to catch up?
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:17 pm
Yay! Referrals are coming! I wish we knew the cut-off date.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:19 pm
Wow, this roller coaster ride continues. For those who love all the ups and downs, this ride does not disappoint!
Now the big question, how far did they get with this batch of referrals? I’m guessing we will not know this until next week - AARGH!
A guess a big batch this time will be good news for everyone concerned - good news for those receiving referrals and those waiting and also for those paperchasing - it will drop the total number of sitting dossiers!
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Wow! I am relieved about no change in regulations. The health ones were making we break out in a cold sweat……..Hopefully we will get through the processing room soon, especially if they are already looking at March LID’s. Keeping my fingers and my toes that the Referrals come pouring in for all you July and August LID’s.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:20 pm
I wonder what the cut-off date is for this batch….. I know we’re in, but I’d love to know if my friends LID 8/19 and 8/25 have a chance…
- LID July 27, 2005
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Good news, yippee!
Bad news, I’m not concerned about this. My understanding is at the last meeting with our agency, the 10 year celebration, they made comments that they plan to continue with a very strong adoption program.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Forgive my selfishness but I’m not getting past the first bit of this.
YYYYYAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!
LID 25 July 2005
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:23 pm
RQ, I’m a little confused. In the last part about the rules, when you say “the same agency,” does this mean there was just one agency from a European country that said the CCAA is currently sitting on 20,000 dossiers and eventually won’t accept more? So there is basically one European agency saying part two and part three?
Great news on part 1, here’s hoping the cut-off is well into Aug.! Advance congratos, j, it won’t be long now!
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:24 pm
How are the referrals mailed? Snail mail or FedEx?
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:26 pm
amygum - I tend to agree with you. I simply can’t fathom the Chinese putting a stop to IA altogether.
Nonetheless a very scary rumor! Especially if you’re still paperchasing like us. We are really, really trying to get DTC before the end of November but keep hitting snags.
Let me just do a little venting here… my stupid, arrogant, uncaring doctor took well over a month to sign my health certificate. First I had low iron, then high iron, then low b12 then a urinary infection - all of which had to be “cured” before he would sign the paperwork. I have been to his office 9 times in the past month, got blood taken 4 times, peed in three cups and spent well over $300 on co-pays and prescriptions. Today I drop by to pick the forms that have already been notarized by someone on his staff and guess what??? Not only did he fill out the form wrong, the notary’s commission expires in 2 weeks!!!!! TWO WEEKS!!!! AARGH!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:44 pm
Whoooohooooo!!! Good News at last. Hope it’s true!!
As for the scary part. I don’t see how they could keep accepting dossiers if this type of pace keeps up. I hope that it all works itself out for the best of all involved.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:45 pm
So is CCAA saying there will be NO MORE international adoptions? Are they closing their doors?
No new regulations? So the health regulation rumorts regarding weight and prior cancers could be ignored?
LID 9/12/06
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:45 pm
I just want to get through the review room!!!!!!!!
LID 2/06 and hoping to be through in November???
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:47 pm
Blondiegirl, the medicals seem to always be the worst part of it! I don’t know why, but I’ve heard so many horror stories about having to do that form over and over. So sorry to hear about your problems. Not like you need some added stress right now!
On the other hand, REFERRALS MAILED??? YIPPEEEEEE!
LID 7/27/05
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:47 pm
blondiegirl,
I am so sorry about what happened with your doctor. I know that was the hardest part for me was to rely on other people to do their job. Our doctor’s office didn’t have a notary, so I had to ask our doctor to go on his lunch hour and have our papers notarized. When we got them back there was a small mistake, but we were able to have corrected without redoing everything. I hope everything works out for you and that your doctor starts to take this very important event in your life more seriously. Good Luck and I’m sending happy thoughts your way!
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:47 pm
J - i’m so with you. This is really going to make this weekend much nicer. Just when you feel it will never happen, somehow it looks like it is. Woohoo! I hope that it goes deep into August for all our friends too!
Anne
LID 7.25 - and much happier….now!
PS - sorry about the not so good news.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:47 pm
Waiting4Noel - there are no more details as to what or when or how long, but the way I read it was that at some point they will decide they have all of the dossiers they can handle for a while and will stop accepting anymore until they work through a certain number of them.
The CCAA has made it clear in recent months that there are no plans to stop IA, so I’m assuming it would just be a temporary thing to try to get control of things.
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:54 pm
Ok - Dumb question of the day. How long does it take from mailing to delivery to most agencies? Thanks! Anne
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:54 pm
tresordasie-
You must be on pins and needles!
I’m so looking forward to that feeling!
kristian
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:57 pm
Many notaries are happy to travel for a few extra bucks. But my doctor, too, was careless about filling out the forms. Fortunately, it was fairly easily resolved. Good news about referrals coming. Yahoo, congrats. Means we’re closer, too. LID 12/13/2005
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:03 pm
OMG!!! I think this will light a fire under me! Do you think there might be time to start the application process and be LID before closing. We have our birth certificate, marriage certificate, and his divorce decree. Now if we were only free to sit home and do work on the application all weekend, but we have a big wedding this weekend; at least, it is nearby so we won’t be out of town for the weekend. Also, my computer printer just died, so I have to research a new one and hopefully buy it on Sunday. HELP!!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:03 pm
I hope I hope!
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Oh please, please let the referrals start pouring in next week for all of July and some of August
LID July 26…………………can’t wait!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:05 pm
So agencies can now find out if there is a package on the way for them from CCAA and some may be able to determine what LIDs are included based on their next LID (ie., if mid-Aug is their next LID and no package on the way, then we would know CCAA didn’t get to mid-Aug), right?
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:06 pm
If it is true that at some point they are going to have to stop accepting new dossiers for a time in order to catch up, is it possible that there are no plans to “stablize” things in the interim??
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:08 pm
kristian, I am fortunate enough to live through this feeling of anticipation twice now! There’s nothing like it!
And to answer someone else’s question: the referrals usually arrive at some agencies as early as the next working day.
- LID July 27, 2005
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:10 pm
Referrals usually arrive two to three business days after being mailed. Sometimes (rarely) more. It just depends on how long it takes them to get through customs.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:10 pm
Just a thought. Could someone in the European countries have made this up to scare off Americans, so they can get more referrals quicker for their country(ies). Aren’t we the country with most people adopting from China? Plus inmany of the European countries, doesn’t it also take them much longer to get even to being DTC?
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:13 pm
Doh, I just contradicted RQ. I hate when that happens.
Figure she’s more right than I am, folks; but I think you figured that already (climbing back under my rock).
- LID July 27, 2005
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:13 pm
“climbing” back under my rock? Crawling….
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Sorry to keep on this issue, but if referrals arrive two to three days after being mailed, is this business days or calendar days? I wonder if customs is “open” on the weekends. So I wonder if we’re talking Monday arrival or Wednesday arrival??? I tried to get on FedEx’s website to find all of this out, but didn’t have any luck. This is the only way I’ll survive this weekend if I know (or can speculate of course) what day. My heart is pounding……
LID 7/28/05
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:14 pm
chinagirl6886 I think you’ve taken conspiracy theories to a whole new level with that one.
I seriously doubt that an agency would report something like this if they did not hear it from the CCAA. That’s not to say that it will happen… it’s possible it was mentioned in passing as a possibility. But, I can’t see an agency just creating this out of thin air.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:15 pm
LOL Tresordasie - once upon a time they sometimes did arrive the next business day, but customs doesn’t seem to work that fast anymore.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:17 pm
chinagirl6886 :
I read the original statesment (it is in my native language) and I think you can do it. Base on this, the closure is not going to happen very soon. This particular country have a lot of dossier in process and were said they will be able to send all of them to the CCAA. But remember this should be considered as a rumor.
CWS : a particular agency made the comment about the number of dossier and the POSSIBlE closure.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:20 pm
Paper has to go through customs? That is a new one to me.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:22 pm
I really pray they did do a lot of referals this month it is kinda getting hard to think positive every month for them to go form a month of matching to 15 days to 9 to, i believe even 6 days of matching at one point. I just really, so badly want a lot of August to get referrals you almost feel like after this much time and torture you deserve it, right???? I will keep on praying like wild fire.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:23 pm
Imm25
Oh yes, everything goes through customs. I’ve actually had paper (not adoption related) rejected by customs. Can’t remember what I did wrong, but hopefully CCAA is smarter than me.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:24 pm
Thanks, al, now I get that the “country” was actually an agency, apparently the same one that said no new rules… probably one of those situations where if you mention the country you can pretty much guess the agency.
When I read “country,” I thought maybe more than one agency was saying this. Sounds as though with only one agency, maybe just a 1R rumor and so not something to worry about too much… albeit I’m liking the “no new rules” bit. :o)
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:24 pm
Is anyone watching the CCAA website to see if it gets updated?
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:26 pm
unfortunately no updates yet and i can almost bet it wont be updated until we already have word from our agencies what the date of referrals are through, stupid i know but it seems they always update after the fact and not after the shipping of the referrals.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:26 pm
RQ,
When the CCAA was touring the United States did they not have to wait till someone came back to China and sign the paperwork for referrals? How long have they been touring Europe? Just a thought that came across this mind I don’t have much more any days
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:32 pm
I guess the spuds were correct when they said they would know something on Monday. That is probably when the referrals will arrive in the U.S.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Well, I hoped no one would stoop so low. I guess it’s too much of watching Alias or 24 or movies like that.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Hi….
First time poster….husband of someone DESPERATELY addicited to this site. Can’t speak for FedEx directly as I work for a ‘Brown’-er competitor but Customs DOES work on weekends. I do have some FedEx info……..FedEx China hub is currently in Shanghai (PVG). They fly PVG to Anchorage (ANC) Monday through Saturday. It is likely that Customs will clear goods for them on a Sunday sort if it is similar to my company for a Monday delivery if picked up EITHER today (Friday) or tomorrow (Saturday) in China. FedEx will be moving their hub to Guangzhou in 2008 or so (announced). The documentation from CCAA to the agencies would likely be cleared VERY quickly as it doesn’t contain anything of tangible value in it (other than some of our futures…..). I would imagine that it RARELY even gets inspected as it is a routine type of shipment. Is everyone sure that CCAA uses FedEx? If it’s DHL….that’s a whole nother ballgame……
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:49 pm
Well if they CAN arrive the next business day, then I guess we should start seeing referrals posted as of Monday!!! WooHoo! We Canadians won’t be the first to post though; we’re always a day or two later.
- LID July 27, 2005
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:49 pm
Just a reply to the ‘paper goes through Customs’ couple of posts above…..while everything gets SUBMITTED to Customs by FedEx, UPS & DHL, it doesn’t always get INSPECTED by them. Actually, of ALL the shipments coming into the country, less than 1-2% of the small package shipments and 5% of the Sea Container-type shipments get physically inspected by Customs. The odds that a CCAA shipment would be flagged for inspection is probably pretty slim because it’s routine shipments from a known exporter to likely known importers that are businesses with import histories.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:50 pm
RQ, help me out here with a thought. I know people have posted previously in Europe that CCAA reported receiving 2000 dossiers per month. If you consider that they’re sitting on 13+ months of dossiers at 2000/month, they should have around 26,000 dossiers. But this rumour says 20,000. Probably doesn’t mean anything but numbers just seemed to drop over the Christmas months. I know March 06 is a monster month, but that is partially because the time from DTC to LID shortened drastically. I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not surprised that they have so many dossiers, but I expected more.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:53 pm
cmbj, re: your post of 4:05
I like the way you think and maybe some agencies will take the time to check! Hmmmm, they could even check right now!
- LID July 27, 2005
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:54 pm
I know for fact that our agency receives packages via DHL from CCAA.
Lovin’ this rumor!!!
LID 7/27/05
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Like glassmaker, I like the fact that the rumour to the effect that referrals would arrive next week was TRUE. Maybe it’s a big stretch, but it makes me hope that the rollercoaster ride will be a little less nauseating in the next few months (i.e. not so many false hopes?) - perhaps now that the leaky faucet has been silenced, maybe we will be able to put more confidence in the rumours that do surface? I dunno. Am I grasping at straws?
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:58 pm
Beyond the ’someday not accepting anymore dossiers’ part of the rumor, the 20K dossiers in hand is scary enough. assuming they are holding just over a years’ worth of dossiers (end of july 05 to sept 06 lids) and we are reasonably sure china does not allow more than, what is it, 13K?, babies to leave the country each year through IA, that sounds like an 18-20 month wait to me. at least for those just logged in.
maybe i am doing that math wrong. and if i am wrong on the 13K number, i doubt i am too far off, i.e. 20K babies don’t leave the country through IA each year, do they? So there goes the ‘12-13 month wait’ fantasy!
maybe someone from the ccaa was exaggerating for dramatic effect. !
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:58 pm
I believe they said they received 2,000 dossiers for October, and we know that October is a monster month, so it’s likely the other months are a good bit less.
As for shipping, I’m pretty sure they still use DHL.
Yes, customs only flags a small percentage of shipments for inspection, but items still have to move through customs, and that doesn’t happen in a day anymore, from what I’m told. And everything coming into the country goes through customs, no matter what is claimed to be inside.
If they shipped Friday I’m guessing we’ll see them Wednesday, but maybe Tuesday if the planets line up just right.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:59 pm
yes, hint, hint, hint to anyone from an agency that may be watching.
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:00 pm
DHL uses a Northwest Airlines 747 from Anchorage to Wilmington, Ohio. Not immediately sure how they feed Anchorage or if they would have a Sunday sort although I would be about 98% sure that they do since they have WELL more international volume that either UPS or FedEx.
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:01 pm
RQ…..just FYI but the 98% or 99% that don’t get inspected by Customs comes in and goes out on the same day for US….I’m sure it’s the same for FedEx or DHL. Now the post office….that’s another story.
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:01 pm
Thanks for sharing info gehringer33!
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:09 pm
Thought I’d make you all laugh the Friday afternoon. On the medical form, my husband’s doctor(who is an idiot and not a nice person), checked both the yes and no columns under mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases (he doesn’t have either, for the record). Neither of us caught it, but my agency did. Before we had it fixed, I always asked my DH if he was feeling itchy or crazy or both that day : )
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:10 pm
Not a R5 or a FACT, but an AWESOME way to start a weekend!
misformom lid 8/19/05
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:11 pm
i think late Sunday night (USA) would be good CCAA site watching. although they probably won’t update until after the fact again…guess it couldn’t hurt to check.
good that there’s knowledge of referrals shipping. not so much that no one knows how far they got.
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:15 pm
FEDEX actually now flies out the USPS mail too! So that part of it is quicker now…what they do with it after that is another story!
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:28 pm
I agree with Leigh. One would think that there would be more dossiers than 20,000. They should have basically 5 more months for 2005 and 8 more months for 2006 and thats not including those who have been LID in Sept. 2006. So, if they really had 2000 dossiers a month that would leave 10,000 left for the 5 months in 2005 and only 10,000 for the rest of the 8mths in 2006? hmmm?
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:31 pm
I you divide 12mths into 20,000 that gives you 16.666 dossiers a month..hmmm
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Oops I mean 1666.66666..sorry!
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:32 pm
cmbj,
I just called (harassed) my agency :-) and asked if they had any inkling of referrals being on their way. (They are always very forthcoming.) They said they didn’t hear of any, but that they really felt strongly that they were on their way, and had hoped that the were coming today, so much that she told me they almost jumped the DHL guy. They asked if he was going to come on Monday with a big package and he said he didn’t know;wouldn’t know until Monday. They are as excited as we all are. I have to say, I feel really fortunate that I am with an agency that is so personal and doesn’t feel threatened by riding the roller coaster with everyone!
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:33 pm
3tsmom, if you missed it I’m sure others did too, so I’ll say it again and try to be a little more specific.
When the CCAA spoke of 2,000 dossiers for October, they said it as if this as a huge month. And we know that October does seem to be a good bit bigger than the months right before it.
There is currently a 14 month backlog, if you figure 20,000 minus 2,000 for the month of October and then divide 18,000 by the remaining 13 months that is an average of about 1400 per month, which sounds about right.
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:39 pm
Do we know how the number of dossiers for August and September compare to October?
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:44 pm
Breath in….Breath out!
I am getting too old for this wild roller coaster!
So much hope for you all….and for my lid 8-15 granddaughter!
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:50 pm
The paperwork does sometimes get stuck in customs. In Oct. of 2004, when we were waiting for our referral, it happend to our group’s paperwork. Everyone was posting referrals and we kept waiting and waiting. Finally I called my agency, and they had just called DHL, since they had expected the package and it did not come. DHL said it was in customs, and it was a random flag of the package that had it stuck. We did get it two days later, but wow that was so hard. Knowing that they were in a bin somewhere on the mainland and not being able to do anything about it. We were also the month (Oct of 04) that was not sent out until after the holiday. It was a long couple of weeks that then turned into a long couple of days. It is fairly rare though and if they get stuck it’s not for too long.
September 22nd, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Just spoke to my agency. They confirmed that they too have heard that the referrals were sent on Friday (which is yesterday in China). Yes, they come via DHL. If the rumor is true, then they expect to receive the referrals on Monday!
WOO WOOOOO!!!!!
7/25/05
September 22nd, 2006 at 6:21 pm
I haven’t felt this way since I was 6 and it was christmas eve. Congrats everyone. God bless Adoption!
LID 4-29-06
September 22nd, 2006 at 6:45 pm
Waiting for Jade
just wondering if our agency might get their delivery the same day. I know the schedule varies depending on location. Could you say what state your agency is in. Mine is in Indiana and starts with the letter F. You dont have yo say your agency name just if maybe delivery schedule might be the same. Thank you from a desperate end of Julyer.
September 22nd, 2006 at 7:40 pm
I’ve had a very weepy day… Just a new mom2be thing maybe, or perhaps something more???
I have such a good feeling about the coming referrals. I simply refuse to think anything but positive, so that I can survive the weekend.
Also, I/my sister/friends are all praying that this will be a good referral month.
I’m so happy for the July’ers…you had to be so disappointed last month. WA HOO for you all. Come on August!
LID Aug05
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:15 pm
Hey Cat!
We are with a smaller agency in sunny California!
Can’t wait to see what next week brings!!!!
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:27 pm
Waiting For Jade
Awesome news, you’re for sure this time. Keeping our fingers crossed for a big referral month.
Sue and James
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:43 pm
Waiting for Jade
Thanks for the info. I sure hope we both get news of our daughter on Monday. Good Luck
Cat
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:28 pm
It’s going to be a really long weekend for a lot of you! Congratulations to those that are to receive that precious picture of your long-awaited child! Here’s hoping (and praying) for most of August!!
LID 1/26/06
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:05 pm
What wonderful news to come home to!!!! I am crossing my fingers, toes, and everything else for all of you!! YIPEE!!!
LID 10/10
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:03 am
I just deleted a post because someone talked about doing something illegal. Please don’t post that you’ve done something illegal.
I rarely delete posts, but this one was pretty obvious in what they had done.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:20 am
I stand corrected on one point. When referrals leave on Friday they have arrived on Monday.
But, when they leave on a Mon-Wed it’s at least two business days.
So, I’m guessing Monday or Tuesday if they were mailed on Friday.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:05 pm
I’m thinking the rumour of closing IA (even temporarily) is going to remain a rumour. China prides itself on how stable their program is this would jeopardize that image. I am so happy the roller coaster will end (for this month) on Monday. I am will be chanting AOA, AOA all weekend.
Beth
LID 4/19/06
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:31 pm
The rumor is not that they would close IA. Just that they would stop accepting new dossiers for a while. Presumably they would continue with review and referrals and would start accepting dossiers again once they had it down to a manageable level.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:34 pm
In 2002/2003 the CCAA had a quota per agency because they received too many dossiers. It turned out that the waiting time after the quota decreased enourmesly. Although it’s very frustrating for the people who are at the point of loggin in, I believe at the end it’s best for all. What’s the use of having your dossier in China and not knowing when to receive a referral, because of the 20000 they already have? Because of the quota back in 2002 we had to wait 9 months before our dossier could be sent to China, but we had our referral within 8 months. In total 17 months. Anyway I don’t want to hurt anyone, but I am not complaining if the waittime will be 14-15 months although an earlier referral is always welcome :-)
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Sorry I misquoted.
I meant stopping accepting new dossiers, even for a short time. I would hope they would institute quotas first rather than cut off LIDs entirely even for a temporary period.