The Plot Thickens
One of the biggish agencies (who has correct information more often than not) is telling their people that the CCAA is going to be issuing referrals in the order that dossiers were received, not in the order they were logged in.
As we all know, last August and September got pretty messed up as far as order went. I know a lot of people who were DTC after me who were logged in weeks before me. This could move me up with the early September people instead of being late September. Or, maybe not, if it also moves some other people earlier and later.
If they truly go back and try to figure out the order that dossiers arrived, there is no way we are going to know who should be expecting referrals, or what date the CCAA has or has not made it through. Or how many referrals were made that month according to our polls.
I know that in the past they have not worried about when dossiers arrived but only gone by LID groups. I personally know someone who had their LID’s within their agency get mixed up, so a later DTC group was referred before an earlier DTC group, all because of the way they got logged in. The CCAA did not make an exception for them, even though the agency told their earlier-DTC-later-LID-group that they had requested that the CCAA do so on their behalf.
Which begs the question, why would they make a change and start going by dossier arrival instead of log-in date?
Rumor has it that the person logging people in during the August/September period of time last year was either fired or moved elsewhere because they messed things up so bad. Could it be that when the CCAA sent someone in to catch up and fix any errors that they restacked dossiers by arrival date? I know one agency has told their people that the mix up wouldn’t matter when referrals arrived (and whoever has been saying this, can you please send me your agency name via email or PM?). Is it possible that this agency was aware of this at the time?
I honestly don’t know what to think of this. A reputable agency is saying it, so I’m taking it seriously, but I just can’t see the logistics of going back and doing this by DTC instead of LID.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:11 am
I thought last year with our log in that it took them a long time.
Our DTC is august 5, 2005………..our LID is august 24, 2005.
At the time, i was very dissapointed, now it doesn’t matter that much any more.
This month hopefully?????? and for sure next month.
What is the time with yoy RQ, i didn’t expect you this early…..lol….
Here in Holland it is 12.10 o’clock.
(anyway still watching, even i didn’t expect you….hahaha)
October 17th, 2006 at 6:33 am
By the way…..nice title Sherlock…..LOL
You puzzle and puzzle…..and follow your sources.
(Do you watch CSI a lot?…LOL….I do…all of them)
……………………………………………
And slowly we come to our salvation.
Thank you for all your time you put in this, for all of us.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:34 am
This is definitely going to put a whole new perspective on things. There will be no telling when you are going to be “due” as such, based on the switch if they go to DTC instead of LID.
Looking at our own we were DTC 20th Feb, but were not LID until mid March. If this is the case, it could move things up by 2-3 weeks. I know it’s not much in the scheme of things, but wow to gain this time would be incredible.
As for who’s sorting what and how, I can only imagine such a mess to sort through of dossier piles.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:36 am
RQ how many days does it normally take to get a dossier from US -China. Looks like a new pole to me coming on. DTC send date?
October 17th, 2006 at 7:18 am
CCAA has made exceptions in the past, we were one of several families whose Dossier was logged in incorrectly. Our dossier was sent to China on Dec. 10th 2004 and we received a LID of Dec. 31, however, people with DTC dates all the way up to Dec 23rd or so had an earlier LID then our group. When referrals came out in June of 2005, we did indeed receive our referral, along with all the others whose were sent on Dec. 10th….that month the LID was cut off was around Dec 22nd, so even though our LID was later they did give us a referral. At the time of the mess up with the dossiers, CCAA did acknowledge there was an error but made no mention that they would take that into consideration at referral…..needless to say when referrals came out that June know one had any idea, including our agency, on what dates were actually getting referrals—also when we announced our referral on the boards we just referred to our DTC date, to avoid questions on why we received a referral with a later LID date.
JKS
October 17th, 2006 at 7:26 am
Thanks for that info JKS.
What I’m referring to happened in the past 8 months, but it’s nice to know they have done it before. I wonder what the difference is? Maybe agency guanxi? Agencies with good guanxi can perhaps get the CCAA to make an exception while agencies without cannot?
Or, is it that the new director of the matching room won’t do it while the director in 2004 would?
I wonder if this agency has asked for an exception and received it, so only this one LID group is going to be moved and not all LID groups.
So many questions.
October 17th, 2006 at 7:36 am
– And does this referral-by-DTC apply only to August & September (because of messy mix-up) OR to October and November also?
October 17th, 2006 at 7:40 am
I’m not completely convinced the CCAA is going to do this. One agency is saying it. I’m just putting it out as a possibility because this is a reputable agency and I think we have to consider the possibility.
I would assume that if the CCAA is going to do this that once they got to the point where log-ins were being done correctly that they’d go back to LID dates.
October 17th, 2006 at 7:51 am
That is interesting. I’m with a large China only agency and everyone’s dossier who was sent in September all got the 9.29 date. It will be interesting to see what happens to all of us.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:09 am
what is a typical time span for DTC to LID? We were DTC on 9/15 and LID on 9/29… I thought that was quick because at the time I think I remembered seeing some that were taking a month or more… or is that the screw up you’re referring to? So confused!!! :-o
October 17th, 2006 at 8:13 am
amomtobe-
Would you email me privately and share your agency. I am wondering if that is mine as well and I was not aware of this.
Thanks,
Meg
LID 9/29
October 17th, 2006 at 8:19 am
Just a thought…since there are some very large LID days at both the end of August and the end of September, could this be a way for CCAA to split those days up and match “partial” days? If they don’t have enough paper-ready babies to match a large day’s worth of LID’s, they could go by DTC dates for a while to even out the matching and not “hold” babies until the next batch.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:23 am
This goes back to my theory when the cutoff was 8/9 (hi TAB, who shared my theory). I was dtc 7/22 and not LID until 8/24. My agency has all along said this would not matter, and I would get my referral with others who have the same dtc. I have never taken this to mean that I would get my referral out of order. Rather, I think next batch will do all of us.
Although I have seen a couple of exceptions, most of us who have 7/22 and later dtc have not gotten referrals. I think we will be in the next batch, all together. Which, in my opinion, points to the cutoff being 8/24 or later.
Things did get pretty mixed up last August and September. I think it will all work out. Maybe I am just being optimistic, but I really think CCAA will try to make it as fair as possible.
We’ll see I guess. All I know is if I get my referral this month, I will be sky high with happiness!
:) wfp
October 17th, 2006 at 8:23 am
We were DTC August 5th. Our LID is Sept. 13th. 6 weeks. I believe people with my agency with a later DTC date got earlier LIDs than us. They came from CCAA in a big batch, but some of us had ended up out of order. WOW. My stomach is turning. I guess we’ll see.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:25 am
Hmmm…doesn’t exactly point to a speed up does it?
Love the idea of being 2 1/2 weeks earlier but somehow I think this seems to indicate more slow down as they want to pace the days given the big bumps in one LID in Aug and Sept.
DTC Oct 21, LID Nov 7
October 17th, 2006 at 8:28 am
Amomtobe, I think we are with the same agency. Our DTC was 08/30/05, and we were logged in 09/29/05. I really hope that this rumor is true!! After reading JKS comment, I am even more hopeful! :D:D:D
October 17th, 2006 at 8:29 am
I’m trying not to freak out about this but just when I thought I was getting close, now the uncertainty is increased. My dossier was mailed 8/12/05 and my LID is 8/26. I don’t know the DTC date off the top of my head. I never worried about remembering it since I was told it wasn’t important. So what is the latest DTC date that the CCAA has referred? I wonder if I can still count on an October (not likely) or November (hoping for) referral? Arrrgghhh
October 17th, 2006 at 8:35 am
I do not think they would put the work into this given that they are overwhelmed with new responsibilities. It would take a lot of time and result in confusion for them and adoptive parents.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:37 am
Our paperwork went to China in August of ‘05 and we got a LID of 9/5. Then 3 or 4 months later they told us it was 9/15. So, could we actually be included with the 9/5/05 group. It will be an anxious 2 weeks waiting for this month’s referrals to come up. I know we are getting close so I will be happy for whenever it comes.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:46 am
This happened to a friend of mine for their first adoption. They were supposed to be logged in Dec 3, and it ended up being Dec 31 or something like they. She said they did make it up later, not by correcting it, but by picking up the pace so they were within the “normal” time referrals were being sent out at the time. So, maybe that’s what they mean..hopefully for those in the ‘cue’!
LID 12/20/05
October 17th, 2006 at 8:53 am
I was thinking what Gnanna said. That 8/24 is such a huge day, and there were folks dtc earlier that got lumped in there, so they may be cutting 8/24 and subsequently 9/29 into smaller pieces based on when the dossier arrived. I am still semi-hopeful for a November referral.
My dossier was mailed 8/10 from my large china only agency and LID 8/26.
October 17th, 2006 at 8:56 am
I was thinking, that the stacks were still in LID order when we all went through review. My agency calls to make double sure we pass review, and I think we would have heard with the August group then, but we were def. reviewed with the Sept. gang. So if they did switch things around I’m thinking it would have been more recent???
October 17th, 2006 at 9:02 am
My first thought when I read this post was why would they make the adjustment now. However, I think a few of you have brought up some interesting points about splitting the larger days. Our DTC is 7/22 and our LID is 8/10.
I want them to move everyone’s referral date up.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:06 am
We were also DTC July 29th 05 and got an Aug25th LID!? I bet if a poll was done to see how many July LID people were left there is still quite a few of us folks still waiting for referrals. If we aren’t in this group we will be next….RIGHT!?
October 17th, 2006 at 9:06 am
This is the first rumor that has actually applied to our family that has me a “little” excited! Our dossier not only sat at the CCAA for a very log time before LID, but the group behind us at our agency got their LID a week before us. Our Dossier went to China on 9/16 and we got an LID of 10/24. It would be so exciting to move up. Even if it was just a week or two. Thanks for a little glimmer of hope this morning! Next week should be very telling! Have a great day! -DJR
October 17th, 2006 at 9:12 am
OH MY GOSH! We were DTC 8/2 and LID 8/24. I have been kidding that with our luck they will match 8/24 this month but only those dossiers logged in before noon and we were probably 12:01! Yikes. Now something like this may happen.
This doesn’t make much sense to me since the one thing that has been consistent with the China program is that they refer by LID date. Oh well, only time will tell!
October 17th, 2006 at 9:17 am
If this is true and some get referrals sooner, then some will wait longer. It will be confusing to all because lid will mean very little for months. This makes it even harder for people to plan with families and jobs. Sorry to be a downer but this is not really a good thing for everyone.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:20 am
DTC for our agency refers to the date our dossier left the US. My medium sized agency has our dossiers translated in China. Does translation take one week? I do not know the exact date it was submitted to the CCAA. I know other agencies have their dossiers translated in China. If this rumor is true, we will need to know when the CCAA received our dossier not the just our DTC.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:21 am
I have a question. My small, multi country agency has told us that they send over dossiers one at at time. Is that true? It sounds like most agencies send them over ain groups. That enables you to compare notes with other people.
Thanks!
Hann23
DTC 8/17/06
October 17th, 2006 at 9:26 am
RQ,
Would you consider doing another poll for Aug/Sept with DTC dates?
Thanks!
Jat
LID 9/15 DTC 9/29
October 17th, 2006 at 9:35 am
RQ,
would it be possible for you to make a poll based on “DTC” ?
Or doen’t that make much sense ?
DTC 07/27/05
LID 08/23/05
October 17th, 2006 at 9:39 am
Yeah I think “the person logging people in during the August/September period of time last year was either fired or moved elsewhere because they messed things up so bad” must have been moved to the sn TA room. So many of us adopting a waiting child have been waiting unusually long for TA. We’ve been waiting 144 days!
October 17th, 2006 at 9:42 am
Yep…curiouser and curiouser. Thanks for sharing RQ!
Special request to all: Please add the year to your LIDs and DTCs (ie. mine is 10/26/05) It cuts down on one tiny particle of confusion! :D
Fwiw, my large China-only agency, has continually listed last Fall’s LID’s in order that they were DTC (example: the group of dossiers who were DTC 9/16/05 and LID 10/24/05 are listed ahead of dossiers who were DTC 9/23/05 and LID 10/19/05).
Indeed curiouser and curiouser. :D
October 17th, 2006 at 9:44 am
We were DTC 7/22 and not LID until 8/24. Would love for this to be true for everyone logged in but can’t even begin to wrap my brain around this possibility.
We are hoping, probably falsely, to be included this month. If this were true for the 7/22 DTC group then our chances are better. Just hoping for a great big bunch of referrals this month!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 9:50 am
Yep. This is exactly what I have posted a couple times now. We were DTC Aug. 19 ‘05 with a LID of Aug. 30 ‘05. There is a group in our agency who was DTC Aug. 12 ‘05 with a LID of Aug. 31 ‘05. Our agency sent out a couple e-mails stating the Aug. 31 LIDers would receive their referrals before us. I wrote back and asked how that could be true since the CCAA refers by LID, not DTC. Our agency then sent out an e-mail with the information RQ mentioned above.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:54 am
I went back to the July and Aug DTC group and it looks like it’s the 24th LID people who got messed up. RQ, I know you’re busy but could we do a DTC poll? With a DTC 7-27 and LID 8-19 I was assuming a referral next week, but now this.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:58 am
I wonder how this affects the review room?
Will there be a change in when dossiers are out of review too? This, I think, is important if you were DTC one month, i.e. March, but LID in April.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:59 am
We were
DTC 7-25-05
LID 8-8-05
DOR 8-25-06
I think in the past someone posted that they were DTC before us but their LID was after ours, seems like whoever was working on the paperwork messed up.
If they do go by the DTC then alot of people will be excited this time around, but we may have some dissappointments also. I hope they get the whole month of August.
Now someone needs to call me with my TA. I hope. I hope, I hope soon. like today would be great.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:04 am
This weekend we went to our agency’s “Family Reunion and Fall Picnic” (a small, local, multi-country agency) We spoke with the director (a very reputable woman in the field) and were lamenting our long wait. When we mentioned that we were in their Sept 9, 2005, LID group she said something about them talking with the CCAA, and she was really hopeful that we’d be in the next group — it actually sounded like she kind of expected it.
At the time, we chalked it up to her trying to be supportive of her clients, and didn’t put too much into it. However, after I read this post, I think she may have had some similar information. Our DTC was around August 15, with LID 9-9. If they were going to start using DTC dates, indeed it would be possible for us to be in this next group. Not even going to start to get that excited, but this is a piece of interesting info that supports RQ’s post.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:05 am
I don’t think this is a good thing at all. This will make it close to impossible to tell where each of us is. And I think it would make it far more likely that the CCAA could make mistakes and pass people over. And we would have a hard time tracking it.
Just a wild theory - maybe the CCAA has become aware of all the LID-tracking sites out there, and is doing this to defeat our efforts to predict things?
October 17th, 2006 at 10:10 am
We were DTC 8/24/05 and not logged in until 9/29/05. Now all I can think is when did the CCAA receive our paperwork? Or does that matter? Is all they are looking at is the DTC stamp our agency put on it (or the mail service) that shows the 8/24/05 date. or is it more likely the day it landed on someone’s desk (who later floats it to the LID lady for a LID stamp?) — all i know is my dh woke me up this am with this rumor and was quite emotional to say the least…. wow… imagine a referral in a week when we were suspecting one in Jan!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 10:13 am
Hi,
we were DTC 7-25-05 and LID 08-10-05. mjsmom, did you really get a referral Aug 25? SN? Or should it be Sept 25?
Guess we’re next anyway… Bring on referrals!!
/Ullis, Sweden
LID 08-10-05
October 17th, 2006 at 10:14 am
jmlance -
I don’t think a 8/24 DTC would get you a referral next week even if they were going by DTCs. More likely December, I would think. There are tons of July DTCs still out there waiting. I am 8/26/05 DTC, 9/9/05 LID, and am guessing this wouldn’t change our expected December referral, or would possibly push it to January.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:19 am
mjsmom,
Don’t you mean, that you had your referral 9-25-06???
October 17th, 2006 at 10:20 am
I am so sorry I should have typed 9-25-05.
I guess I am too excited about the fact that we may be getting our TA soon. Our acceptance letter arrived in CHina on OCt 8th.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:21 am
Here I go again! How about last month September 25, 2006.
I need a pepsi or something!
October 17th, 2006 at 10:31 am
Anyone know when the CCAA came up with the terms DTC and LID? Just curious as when I have spoke to folks that adopted 7 yrs ago or 8 yrs ago and as recently as 5 yrs ago and say..”My DTC is and my LID is” they have ALL looked at me like I was an idiot and said that they did not use those terms back then? I was like huh? and they say that the papers were just sent to China and then 12 months later they got their refferral and for the second it took 13 months…interesting now that this RQ info comes…
October 17th, 2006 at 10:33 am
I am just a little confused and maybe you all can help me out. To my understanding DTC is the date our agency actually sent our paper work to China, not the day the CCAA received it.So technically if the postal service had any errors then some one with the same DTC would not necessarily arrive on the same day to the CCAA and to my understanding they do not go by our DTC becuse they do not issue this date only the agencies know when the dossier have been mailed. I have also been told that different agencies follow different procedures with translating a Dossier and this can cause a small delay as to when your dossier is actually handed over to the CCAA apon arival of China. I could be wrong so please understand I am looking for clarification not stating any of this is a fact. For what it is worth we were DTC 8-26-05 with a LID of 9-12-05 and at the time this seemed to be great with all the slowing down of even getting a LID.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:37 am
mjsmom -
Okay, now I am rofl ‘cuz you are too cute! Go have that Pepsi and enjoy the beautiful day. We know this is all conjecture to a degree but enjoy the positive rumors while you can!
October 17th, 2006 at 10:37 am
GleasonBaby:
We have the same dates — DTC 8-15-2005 and LID 9-9-2005. It seemed like a long wait at the time (and on the Aug and Sept boards, most people who were DTC at that time were LID earlier), but I know those late Sept LIDs and many Oct LIDs waited longer.
I can’t imagine we’d be in this group with the LIDs at the end of Aug being so huge (and it’s inconceivable to me that we’d jump up on the list THAT much), but this gives me a glimmer of hope for November!
October 17th, 2006 at 10:40 am
Hi RQ -
Quick question for you and the others on this group: How does the CCAA know when everyone’s dossiers were DTC? Our agency has dossiers translated in China prior to LID. We are DTC 1/13/06 and LID 2/17/06. Does this mean that the CCAA actually did the translating? I thought that it might have been done at the agency’s overseas office.
Personally, I can’t help but to speculate that the move really messed things up. I can’t imagine moving boxes and boxes - literally thousands and thousands - of dossiers from one part of town to another without something getting misplaced or lost (which is a huge fear of mine!). I also can’t imagine the CCAA suddenly changing a system which has worked fairly well over the years (i.e., going by LID) to a new system which seems to be less reliable.
Thoughts, anyone?
ChinaMama2007 (hopefully!)
October 17th, 2006 at 10:43 am
This whole topic has me very confused. I am an 8/12/05 LID and a 7/25 DTC.Is everyone saying that is possible that I won’t get my referral this month because they may switch LIDs around? I will seriously lose it if that is the case… But this seems crazy to me. Since everyone DTC’s are inevitably earlier than their LIDs, how can this possibly work?
October 17th, 2006 at 10:47 am
Lauriesue,
No, you would be fine. Your LID is in July.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:48 am
My DTC was 08-29-05 and my LID is 10-19-05!! I’ve always thought this didn’t make sense. Out of all the delayed LIDs I’d ever seen of course mine has to be the worst. In the back of my mind I always hoped that it would be corrected somehow and now you have given me hope! I know it is a long shot but since we don’t have any other rumours right now I can cling to this. Thanks RQ!!
October 17th, 2006 at 10:48 am
OOPS, I meant your DTC!!! Man, its a good thing we don’t have to use both all the time.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:49 am
Neumanium,
WOW. That’s 7 weeks. I thought ours was bad with 6 weeks. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:50 am
Actually almost 8 weeks! Yikes
October 17th, 2006 at 10:58 am
Well, this would be good news for me since I was DTC 7/29, but not LID until 8/24, but I don’t know why they would go back and do that. It seems like extra work, unless they are already stacked in order of arrival.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:07 am
ratgirl,
please don’t rain on my parade (or others) — i understand the likelihood is slim but yet it’s there… afterall, we are here to find glimmers of HOPE, not pessimism…
October 17th, 2006 at 11:11 am
even if they start doing by DTC, that just means we’re dealin’ with diff. dates. so maybe they’ll refer DTC july 15-july24 DTCfor example…doesn’t mean that a LID of aug 24 would or wouldn’t get a referral…just means we’re workin’ with diff. dates! So an LID of aug 24 could get a referral if their DTC was early enough…or NOT if their DTC was later…what the heck is goin’ on over there!!
October 17th, 2006 at 11:13 am
Interesting rumor. Our agency never told us our DTC date, but considering the paper scramble we did at the end of July ‘05, I assume that’s our date. Our LID is 8/25.
But, honestly, this rumor doesn’t change things too much for us. We’ve been holding our breath since the end of September, hoping for a little luck for once, and we’re still holding our breath.
Rumors are fun, contain glimmers of facts that explain why the wait times blew up, but never actually change the actual wait time. Maybe this rumor is an awkward way of saying that they’re trying to process more dossiers.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:15 am
First time post.
This whole thing makes me even crazier! We are DTC 9/15/05 and were not LID until 10/21/05. Our sw said that this was the longest that she had personally seen. Obviously by your posts, there are those that were longer. I have felt all along that there was something that was “just not right” about that whole process. But, with the wait time increases, etc. I just chalked it up to another reason to lose sleep at night. I guess time will tell.
RQ, thanks for all your HARD work.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:20 am
Again, I’m not convinced the CCAA is going to start going by DTC instead of LID. One agency thinks they will, and I’ve reported it.
For those with a LID that is far after their DTC, this sounds great. But I really don’t think we should get our hopes up (or down) about this one. It sounds like some of you are taking this one way too seriously.
It’s a possibility at this point, that’s it. In recent history the CCAA has only gone by LID dates and not by DTC dates at all. This would be a huge change, and I just don’t see how they could logistically do it. Especially when they are apparently so short handed to start with.
As for the question of when terms started, the DTC term has been used since at least the late 90’s. Back then there were no log in dates, you only knew when your dossier arrived in China. If someone adopted back then and they aren’t familiar with the term then they must not have been on the internet back then. Or at least not on APC.
Sometime in either late 2003 or maybe early 2004 the CCAA started issuing log in dates, which quickly morphed into a LID. Someone else may remember exactly when the LID came into being, I’m pretty fuzzy on that one.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:20 am
jmlance- a glimmer for one may be disappointment for another. my lid is 10/9/05 with dtc 9/23/05, however many august and september dtc’s have later lids so i may actually get further behind.
Just a thought.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:27 am
hann23-our agency sends dossiers out as they get them. This is probably going to cause us to travel alone this time.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:29 am
I have to agree with Bill. It may move people up but it will also move others back. I think I’d rather keep my little ole’ LID and instead of adding more confusion to the mix. I waited 4 weeks from DTC to LID. Be careful what you wish for.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:42 am
I hope this is true, This would bump up Dh & I possibly
a few months. We were DTC 10/11/06 AND LID 11/18/05
I have always wondered why it took so long? I know this
this is only a rumor, But it’s a good one!!! :-) Congrats
on the TA’S!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 11:43 am
I meant 10/11/05 ( Sorry)
October 17th, 2006 at 12:05 pm
I have no idea where this puts us, with a DTC date of Aug4′05 and LID of Aug25′05.
Just when I thought I had a handle on things.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
It appears that somehow in August & September of last year, some dossiers were issued really late LID’s, as compared to their DTC dates. It seems like this didn’t happen to everyone’s dossier, though, just some of them, like those with LID’s 5-8 weeks after DTC. I think it’s possible that the CCAA recognizes this, and that just for those dossiers, they may try to rectify that situation by processing those dossiers who were issued “late” LID’s somewhere around where their LID’s “should have” been. I’m thinking that (if true) it might be just a temporary measure, to fix the LID problem that happened around that time.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:28 pm
I can’t really see this happening. Imagine what will happen if people with later LIDs start getting their referrals before people with earlier LIDs? A whole new level of uncertainty will enter into the picture and there will be some angry APs. CCAA has always used LID as the determining factor and I believe that’s how it will remain.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:28 pm
Mine are not bad - DTC 8-22 LID 9-2. Never thought about this much - won’t change much for me but for those with such long times in between I hope this makes it right for you!! Gosh, I wish some referrals would come in!
October 17th, 2006 at 12:47 pm
Hi everyone -
Obviously, this is causing alot of confusion. My thought (and I don’t even know if it is possible) is that they are going to do all they can together, maybe even the rest of August?? I am hoping for that!
Let’s all just keep our fingers crossed!
I really can’t imagine them not referring someone with their lid, I really don’t think they would ever split dates. I guess I could be wrong tho…
The real question is …… when will we see referrals????
: ) wfp dtc 7/22 LID 8/24
October 17th, 2006 at 12:53 pm
This is abit of good news. We were DTC on 9/27/05 and logged in on 10/27/05 (a full month) and that didn’t make sense to me so I’ll take a mix up and move alittle back. Every little bit helps. Now its like waiting for a gift. You don’t know when its coming just that its coming so won’t be all be surprised. Then again, if that means that some of us get pushed aside and have to wait longer, that isn’t good. I’ll be anxious to see or hear what happens next.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:58 pm
Hi waitingforpink. I still like our theory. Only time will tell. Either they have a plan to make sure we get referrals together or they do split us up in order of DTC. Or CCAA can realize that it wasn’t fair, not change a thing but possibly learn from it for the future. Our agency, last year did tell CCAA that it wasn’t fair. Either way, we will get referrals when we are suppose to and our babies will be ready for us when they are suppose to be. I say that outloud for therapy. :)
October 17th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
Just heard from our agency - they have matched through August 23. Usually they are not informative so I hope this is right!
October 17th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
tochina4sara-Say what? Are they done matching already? Would love this to be true with a 8-19 LID. BTW we too are waiting for our Sarah.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
tochina4sara -
Does your agency have 8/24 LIDs? I am really hoping they get through that big date, giving me more hope for my early Sept LID to be not too far behind.
The only way this DTC vs. LID rumor makes sense is if they are splitting a date — referring half of 8/24 for example. They would base the half they refer on families’ DTC… Did someone alreayd mention this? Sorry if they did!
October 17th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
Yes, huge news - our agency said matched through August 23 and that they will arrive at our agency’s facilitator’s office at the beginning of next week. Please don’t hate me if they got this wrong!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
ACK!!!
WHAT???
Are you saying they’re on their way?
October 17th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
If you look at the poll numbers, 8/23 would be quite a disappointment…
October 17th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
RQ
Correct me if I am wrong….don’t they need to get through 8/24 to actually make some “progress?”
Anxious for this month with my 11/30 LID.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
I agree, if the 23rd is the cutoff date, I view it as a HUGE disappointment. The 24th looked like a huge day for LIDs. I guess we now wait and see. (LID 9-05-05)
October 17th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Blech. The 23rd? That is really awful. I was so hoping for end of August, so we (lid 9/9/05) might have a shot at being next.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pm
Anyone think that the reshuffling of LIDs (if it happens), could have to do with the expiring I600s? I know a family that adopted last year, and teir trip was scheduled so that they didn’t have to redo the I600 (it was very close, but they made it as the Chinese mediator promissed). Apparently according to their agency the CCAA likes to avoid new I600s, because it changes some file number? Would it make sense that those with earlier DTC from the same LID group have the I600 expiring earlier? It would certainly make a difference for us. DTC 8/30/05, LID 9/29/05 and I600 expiring on 2/3/06.
October 17th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
Hmmm…could be just a little too much info, or maybe not. We had a longer period between DTC and LID, just like Debbie. Our DTC was 9/26/05, our LID was 10/27/05. Our agency let us know as of 10/10/05 that our dossier had arrived at the CCAA offices in Beijing. Knowing what I do now, I figured this was due to the trade fair or national holiday. I am also aware that some other agencies’ later DTCs (than 9/26) also received earlier LIDs (than 10/27). Our large China only agency had LIDs on 9/29/05 and then a huge gap until 10/27/05. It’s a rumor for sure, but much like Alice in Wonderland.
PT
DTC 9/26/05
“Received” 10/10/05
LID 10/27/05
October 17th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
“Or…perhaps…eet ees seeemply an eeeevil plan to confound de Rumor Queen wench and her hordes, who know too much…”
Hee-hee!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:00 pm
Nazar I like your theory the best since my I-171 expires in Dec. I have a DTC of 8-30-05 and a LID of 9-29-05 so at this point I just don’t know what to think!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
Someone on the August board (was this you tochina4sara?) said their agency told them they were matched with an LID of 8/23/05. This person said they didn’t know the cut off, just that they had been matched, should arrived by end of this week or the beginning of next.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Please more info!!! Please be past the 23rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
sebago girl,
I wonder if this agency has any LID’s for 8/24? Still hoping they made it thru the 24th since it was such a huge day.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:09 pm
Luna:
right there with ‘ya! I will be one very sad mommy if they cut off at the 23rd.
LID 8/24/05 and I just want my baby ~~~~~
October 17th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
The person on the August board did say that their agency only had one batch in August so there’s hope.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
Even if they only match through the 23rd this month, it’s possible that they have enough paper-ready babies to match more but not enough to get through all of the 24th (assuming they continue with not wanting to split LIDs). So if they only do through the 234d, I’ll be disappointed but will try to console myself with the thought that maybe they actually got through the 23 1/2th!
LID 9/29/05 (but is that going to mean anything anymore??)
October 17th, 2006 at 2:17 pm
RQ - “CHECK YOUR E-MAIL”
Someone must have mailed something to her…
Ohhhh please let the cut off be the 24th…
everyone click your heals together and say:
“there’s no place like the 24th”
“there’s no place like the 24th”
“there’s no place like the 24th”
October 17th, 2006 at 2:21 pm
As a member of the biggish agency quoted above I find it very selfish that some one would send confidential info to the RQ! There are many people who are affected by your carelessness. As I try and wait patiently for my daughter I hope you have not changed how information is communicated to those of us who choose to follow the rules! Please read “Red Scarf Girl”
October 17th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
Based on RQ’s poll #’s….IF they only made it to the 23 it is going to stink big time. IF it is true, I seriously doubt they will make it thru August with the next batch (when looking at the #’s). PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have made it at least until the 24th or beyond!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2006 at 2:23 pm
tochina4sara,
is this really true??????
Lid 8/23
October 17th, 2006 at 2:25 pm
Who is “red scarf girl’? HUH?????????
October 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
Follow the rules? Is there a list of rules for distributing rumors?
October 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
I believe that RQ predicted that the cut-off would either be the 23rd or the 24th. So this would be right in line with the CCAA doing the same number of referrals as they have been.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
red scarf girl????
October 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
Somthin ain’t right here….why is taking so long for someone to confirm this?????
October 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
Whosey Whatsa “Red Scarf Girl?”
October 17th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
Our DTC date was 09/13/05 and LID of 09/29/05 (one of the big groups).
I hope that they were able to match at least some of the 08/24/05 people.
Please let me get my referral by Christmas time. I promise to be good!
Sophie Mom
09/13/05 DTC
09/29/05 DTC
Large, China-only Agency
October 17th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
tujohnson Says,
I did not see any reference to a specific agency in any of the above posts.
I am thankful for any information that I can get on this site from RQ or any member. I don’t find sharing information amoung fellow adoptive parents “selfish” at all. I find it comforting and helpful. I am sure that you come here for the same reasons as all the rest of us do. To gather information.
Where do you think all this information comes from?
October 17th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
tujohnson - read the FAQ, number 17
Everyone else, I’m not online a whole lot today so please be patient. Also, I do not have an email with this info.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
ahh…must be time for the “I’m offended and I am not playing with you anymore” monthly posts. We’ve got one. Anyone for a second??? And where is TGRed today? If we go to the 23rd I’ll be seriously bummed but that’s because I’ve let hope sneak in this month despite my mantra to guard my heart. But it IS good news if referrals are going out this week.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
“Red Scarf Girl” is the name of a book written by Ji-Li Jiang. I personally have never read it but just looked it up on Amazon.com after reading TuJohnson’s cryptic post.
Sophie Mom
LID 09/29/05
October 17th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
Is it possible that they match through 8/23, but also pull out and match LID that go out into Sept to correct the DTC and LID problem.
TUJOHNSON
I truly hope that if the CCAA is going to try to correct any LID problems they would not only do this for the “biggish agency” and treat all agency’s equal.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
FYI _ I believe Red Scarf Girl is a reference to a book. I have not read it yet, so no sure how it applies.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
DTC and LID are terms that the adoptive community came up with. It’s only been this past year that our agency uses the term LID. DTC use to mean what we now use the term LID for. We didn’t receive an official letter from the CCAA giving us a date they received the dossier. So, I’m not even certain such terms are used there.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
Another post from the August group saying that “the agency” that mailed information to their clients does not have any other LID’s after the 23rd for this month.
So this still keeps the 24th in the running :-)
LID 8/24/05 and still clicking my heals together…
October 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
I will call my agency first time in the morning (it’s 8:48 here now) to ask if they know something more about matched dossiers.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
Just have to say after catching up on postings, if 8/23 is the cutoff I will cry. And cry some more!
But, I will be happy to see pics of tgred and others’ babies, so please remember to post!
Also, isn’t it a bit early for referrals?
: ) wfp
October 17th, 2006 at 2:51 pm
thanks for posting that, sebago girl. phew. and good luck to you
October 17th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
I think my wife and I have y’all beat… our DTC was 9/9/05 and our LID was FOURTY-ONE DAYS LATER at 10/20/05… I can remember being really upset about this at the time and then saying… oh well, not much we can do!
Now I see all of y’all that had similar DTC’s that were getting log-in dates weeks ahead of us… Hmmm.
I hope this rumor is true. And, if not… all of you concerned about it taking 3-4 weeks for your DTC to LID, relax a little… you could of waited 6 weeks like us!
October 17th, 2006 at 3:00 pm
I may be the only one that hopes this rumor is not true. I guess I am selfish. My DTC is 9/22/05 and my LID is 9/29/06. Therefore, I a lot of people would push ahead of me. Great for them, bad for me, my DH, and my DD.
Here’s hoping this one is wrong…sorry…
October 17th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
MT Daddy - I was DTC Aug 29 and LID Oct 19.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
Neumanium… that made your gap 51 days, right? Ouch.
I was wrong, we don’t have y’all beat!
EmilyB… I can understand your hoping for this rumor to be false, but for people with DTC 2 or 3 weeks ahead of you… do you really think it was right that they got an LID 2 to 3 weeks after you?
Yep. I got middle-child syndrome. I just keep thinking, “it’s not FAIR.” But, so little is… and, i’m okay with that.
October 17th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
CAT, I TOTALLY agree with you…. could very well be a temporary thing. Only to benefit those that really need the benefit and to positively affect those that do have Oct. LID’s.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
MT Daddy - I have visions of our two dossiers being knocked off the desk somehow and accidentally kicked under a file cabinet. I wonder what happened to them? I’m dreaming up some pretty funny theories…
October 17th, 2006 at 5:50 pm
MT Daddy and Neumanium - we are right there with you guys. DTC on 9/9 and LID on 10/21. IF this turns out to be true, it might just be what we need to avoid having to redo our I-600(A)!
October 17th, 2006 at 5:54 pm
Well, I know this is complete conjecture on this agency’s part, but that would be absolutely freakin’ cool with me!!
We were DTC 9/7/05 and LID 10/10/05. Yep, we were part of the whole LID snafu last fall.
However, I am still saving $$$ so it would actually help my shopping if it was a little bit further away! ;-) I would love to see my daughter(s) before January at least, but, alas, I am not overly optimistic..
MTdaddy-
I completely understand your “middle child syndrome” on this one. I was pretty peeved about the fact that people DTC after us got September LIDs and we got October.. What the heck happened there?!? I am still not overly fond of the fact that it happened, but it is not these people’s faults, it solely lies on whomever logs in dossiers in China. (sigh)
Claire
DTC 9/7/05
LID 10/10/05 (yep, it’s been a year and a week now..)
October 17th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Our agency actually emailed us when our dossier was delivered to the CCAA, so we know our date for that. But does all this mean that CCAA are using ‘date of receipt’ for referrals? Even though we all currently use the LID to track the dossier’s progress through the process? Should we create a new acronym for this date? DOR usually means ‘date of referral.’ Ideas anyone?
October 17th, 2006 at 9:01 pm
I can”t believe it could finally be here!! It has been a long and totally unexpected fourteen months. My thanks RQ, for all your hard work, and to everyone else here. I would have been totally in the dark if I had not had this site. I don’t post much, but I read a lot and this site has kept me sane. Let’s hope they get deep into August - we all deserve a break!
LID 19/08/05
October 18th, 2006 at 11:28 am
This rumour is the best one yet. Let’s just hope it turns out to be true. For us we were DTC 9/23/05 and LID 10/31/05. It would be the difference of maybe making December versus maybe making February or March.