No party tonight
We’ve had a party or a vigil for over a week now. So, we’re not having one tonight.
Ya’ll feel welcome to comment and talk about stuff, but we aren’t calling it a party.
Of the agencies who are talking, some say the cut-off is the 23rd, some say the 24th, and one says the 25th.
One agency says they expect referrals to be mailed at the end of this week. Several say they hope they are mailed next week. Two are saying it will be two weeks before they are mailed. Most agencies are saying they don’t know what is going on or when referrals might finally be mailed.
Whatever theory you want to come up with, it should answer the question of why referrals and NSN TA’s are being held up. SN TA’s are still being released, but apparently nothing on the NSN side is being released at this time.
October 30th, 2006 at 8:14 pm
Thanks, RQ. Have a nice evening everyone.
October 30th, 2006 at 8:19 pm
Oh well, we shall see what tomorrow may bring for us! Good night, I can’t take much more! Check in on everyone in the morning.
October 30th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
Boo. I hate the sound in RQ’s post. Dejection. But I guess that’s to be expected after such a rollercoaster ride. Pleasant dreams, everyone.
October 30th, 2006 at 8:24 pm
explanations….hmmmmm….how about they messed up and matched the same nsn babies twice?
October 30th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
My brain is tired. I can’t imagine how all of you waiting on the hairy edge of this insanity are hanging in there!? No party here but I’m going to go fix, and then drink, an orange/pomegranate martini in honor of ya’ll.
October 30th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
Feel free to talk and chat, I’m just hoping that maybe if we don’t call it a party maybe something will finally, you know, change.
And yes, I’m pretty down right now. It seems like every time I allow myself to become excited again, something just punches me in the gut.
October 30th, 2006 at 8:36 pm
If the August-ers have to wait another two weeks, it’ll be the rubber room for them! I’m sooooooo sorry that this is happening to you (and all the rest of us too). It’s just not right. Someone mentioned that last year there were 45 days between two sets of referrals (from September to November, I think). Let’s hope *that* doesn’t happen, although that early rumor of a batch mid-November might sound like it will. Boo hiss.
I just don’t know what to think anymore. I just want life to return to normal again. For everyone.
Snick
lid Oct 31, 2005
October 30th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
RQ!
Thanks for being here today. As frustrated as I am, I would need a padded room if I didn’t have this place….
I’m off…to find the last little bit of my remaining sanity.
Liz in CO
LID 8/30/05 (don’t you hate that we have to put the YEAR on that date these days??!!)
October 30th, 2006 at 8:48 pm
Even though everyone who has BTDT says you WILL get your baby at the end of this long and agonizing journey, doesn’t this kind of stuff make you wonder?
October 30th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
I’m right there with you RQ…feeling like crap. Mad at myself for getting my hopes up. Tired from staying up every damn night to watch that stupid “site” NOT change. Tonight, Tylenol PM and I’m going to bed. I’m numb.
Having this site has been the only good thing this past week. It’s good to know and chat with folks in the same slump as me.
Have a good night RQ.
Watching “deal or no deal” right now and the guy is tanking and for some crazy reason…it’s makes me happy…how sick is that?!
8/24/05
October 30th, 2006 at 8:58 pm
Well, my friends, this late Auggie, East Coaster is calling it a night and heading to bed before 9 PM. I am just so physically and emotionally drained from this past week.
To my fellow 8/30ers…. a sad 14 month anniversary wish to us all.
Good night.
Laureen
http://www.babysites.com/sites/laureenmary
PS seeingred- If by some chance, you read this, please email on the contact link of my website. All the emails I have sent to you keep getting returned b/c of your spam block. Let me know how to get in touch.
Thanks, chica.
October 30th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
Snick - I am inches away from the “rubber room”
8/17/05
October 30th, 2006 at 9:17 pm
the CCAA website is down. I guess we all are still checking it frequently just in case of good news. Y’all hang in there. My ride has only just begun but for those of you who have been on for over 14 months and are ready to just get off just hang on for a little while longer. Your dizziness and nausea from this rollercoaster will be worth it you know that right?
October 30th, 2006 at 9:20 pm
Hi- first time poster here. This is our 2nd adoption from China and we are Aug. LID. I’m trying to renew my excitement and not sink in frustration- reading these posts help by reassuring me we’re not alone, but man, this wait is challenging my strength.
Going to attempt a full night’s rest tonight…
October 30th, 2006 at 9:21 pm
CCAA site still comes up for me - no change.
October 30th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
I’ve only been LID since March 22, 2006 and have been reading this and other forums since…. So I may not be as knowledgable as some of you.
My gut feel tells me that something went very wrong last year with the LID’s. That they are trying to fix them all and mail them out all at once so that no one will say that they were DTC before someone else etc.
Once they get the mess squared away hopefully they will get back on track and move familes along faster.
My prayers are with all the Aug/Sept/Oct familes… I can’t imagine what you are going through. However, I am sitting here wondering what this all means for me.
I’ve decided to focus on the holidays and make them the best ever for my family in hopes that it will make the time go faster and maybe by the first of the year it will all be back to normal..?
Lynn
Waiting for Hope LID 3/22/06
October 30th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
this just sucks.
October 30th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Just logged in after being at basketball games all night, oh boy wish I had not even got on the computer. My heart just got crushed again, I pray we don’t have to wait another day, week or weeks for our TA. I read apost of a family leaving tomorrow to get their little angel and we got our referrals at the same time, I am so happy for them but almost feel sick that we still don’t know anything. I think I will go to bed and hope for a better day.
8-8-05 LID
8-26-06 DOR
October 30th, 2006 at 9:27 pm
Thanks for the update RQ and for all that you do for this community! I’ve been holding out on the refresh button for CCAA, but will probably hit it before I sign off for the night. Apparently just for kicks, because I don’t have much hope that it will change, and for some odd reason I like to torture myself and play the “let me check just one more time” game.
October 30th, 2006 at 9:38 pm
First time for me to make a comment, but I felt the need to chime in with the frustration. We are an October LID and just want to move up on the list. I suppose a little sense of humor, a fair amount of hope and a lot of faith will pull us all through. We are going to name our new daughter Hope. Little did I know two years ago what significance the name would have.
October 30th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
Rumor Queen,
Does anyone have history on fall referrals for the past several years. I do know that my last referral came on November 17, 2003, but was expected in October. I seem to remember that they were 2 weeks late (and we all were losing our minds). Is it the normal pattern to have late September referrals then none again for 6-7 weeks???
October 30th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
Last year, there were 38 days between the Oct. and Nov. referrals, which was the greatest amount of days between to batches. Is this always the case?
October 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
I keep telling myself to be strong, think positive, don’t let the waiting get you down… I’ve not been very successful at the glass 1/2 full thing the last few days.
And, when I checked early this morning and still no change… I headed straight for a pity party…all my own. It’s not pretty having a pity party by yourself. I waited til DH headed for the office to rant, rave, cry, feel sorry for myself. I don’t like feeling this way, and I don’t like losing hope…but I feel like that’s what I’m doing.
I’m thinking about everyone in this community no matter where you are in the journey…because we all are in this together. I find myself thinking about those paperchasing, or those who have just logged in, and I’m not sure how I would feel???
So, I will be around but most likely getting some much needed rest. Perhaps my psychie will improve w/some sleep…if that’s possible.
Thanks RQ…w/out you and all the hard work you put in to this site…I’m not sure what I/all of us would do.
LID 24Aug05
October 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Did some checking and in the fall of 2003, referrals came out on Oct 1st then not again until November 17….a whopping 47 days. Could this just be the fall pattern?
October 30th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
What month LIDs were messed up last year?
October 30th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
Thanks to RQ for all that you do! I would be going crazy w/o this site. It is funny how DH asks for a daily update. I wish that I had referral info this week. We are DTC 8/30/05 and have no LID. We feel like we are just floating with out a log in, never knowing when it will be our turn. Best of luck to Aug LID-ers!!
October 30th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
Hi guys:
First time poster LID Jan 17, 2006
Our agency newsletter sent this month mentions that is is year end for the CCAA…perhaps this explains the longer wait?
October 30th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
toadie,
I think this could be what holds up the November referrals as well.
October 30th, 2006 at 10:22 pm
Hi Willowflower:
Makes sense…but let’s hope that because it’s their year end they may want to put more referrals through. Wouldn’t that be great for the August LID’s?
October 30th, 2006 at 10:32 pm
is ne one else not able to get on the CCAA site??
October 30th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
Has anyone tried logging into CCAA? I have been trying for about an hour and the server is down. Perhaps they are updating? I sure hope so!!!!!
October 30th, 2006 at 10:35 pm
Down for me too. I’m going to go watch Curb Your Enthusiasm and try to laugh.
Chuck
LID 8/18/05
October 30th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
PLEASE DON’T GET EXCITED, A WEBSITE DOESN’T NEED TO COME DOWN TO UPDATE.
October 30th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
Down for me as well. I got all excited at first, but maybe all of us checking every 5 minutes made it crash? Hope not. It wouldn’t get hung up if they would just TELL US THE CUT OFF DATE!!!
ok…I’m a glutton for punishment and off to check again, see if it’s up!!
October 30th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
When I tried to get onto CCAA site just now it said “connection refused” it has never said that before when it was down. Anybody else getting something strange when they try to get on the site? Check it out and let me know
October 30th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Key…it is not working for me either….I think we broke it!
October 30th, 2006 at 10:46 pm
I can’t get in either. In the past I have noticed I have trouble getting in right before the post.
October 30th, 2006 at 10:47 pm
My wife and I are in this waiting game with the rest of you. Our LID is 30 Aug 05 and we are getting ancy too. But I just want to put a different light on it. As frustrated as we all get from time to time, just remember…everything is in God’s perfect time and will be done in His time. We can want things to happen on our time but when it is time, He will give you the perfect match for you and your family and you will have a joy that you won’t ever lose or forget. This is what gets me thru each day.
Brad and Krista
Future parents of Makenna
October 30th, 2006 at 10:52 pm
razrbax, please read the rules
http://chinaadopttalk.com/rules-for-commenting/
Everyone else, I can’t get on the CCAA site either, I’m guessing we crashed it refreshing it.
October 30th, 2006 at 10:53 pm
Yes I have had trouble getting on the site before a change before but I think RQ has shown that it is not necessary to have the site down to make a change. My question is the response”connection refused when trying to contact CCAA” I have never gotten that response before. I just feel like something crazy is happening. Kind of scary but could be kind of exciting depending on how you look at it.
October 30th, 2006 at 10:55 pm
My plan is to eat Halloween candy until I fall into a sugar coma. Please wake me up when this all gets sorted out!
October 30th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
I just get the message that the page is not available.
October 30th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
It could also mean that everyone crashed it before referrals every other month too.
I know all of China had a week off for a National Holiday at the beginning of Oct. which is the anniversary of the communists taking power. I am sure that factors into the equation. I work at a Chinese Bank and nothing in China got done during that week.
October 30th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
Well all I can say now is that I’ve got to remind myself of the bigger picture and that I was certainly spoiled with the 8 mos wait for DD #1 and the information in Sept. 05 that it was a 6 to 7 mos wait. This is what Int’l adoption is really all about…amazing ups and disappointing downs…meaning uncertainties and a longer than anticipated wait. This is what others before us (the shorter wait) and others adopting from some other countries are told to expect and in fact do experience. I just have to keep reminding myself that being able to adopt internationally is the result of some very reasonable and loving people who realize the need for giving opportunities to their abandoned children. Just to think another country will permit a foreigner to adopt a child born on their soil and raise her/him in a foreign land. I remember when we boarded the plane in L.A. for our first, the “wow” feeling…I can’t believe that a combination of people (the most significant of whom live in a country that I don’t so much think I feared growing up, but certainly one I never thought I would step foot in much less raise a child from there) are allowing this journey to happen. And tonight, a child of theirs is sitting on my couch in the US watching the Great Pumpkin with her Daddy, picked out a pumpkin from the pumpkin patch just hours ago and can’t wait to be a hula girl tomorrow night. If I thought this was going to be fast and easy, I was mistaken. We got lucky the first time around with the short wait. I’ve just got to keep the faith and roll with the punches.
October 30th, 2006 at 11:12 pm
I have come to the regretful conclusion that the CCAA is making crystal clear who controls the flow of info. I think they find our attempts to know what’s going on offensive. What a sad thing.
October 30th, 2006 at 11:14 pm
cmbj~thank you for sharing. At times this feels so unreal..will this really happen? My husband and I just read your post and were choked up reading about your daughter. Thanks again and I bet she will be a great “hula girl”
LID 12-28-05
October 30th, 2006 at 11:16 pm
wearewaiting - I feel the same way…it feels unreal. Like it’ll never happen..
Maybe if I had a definite DATE this month I would feel better.
So frustrated right now…
I knew I should have just gone to bed instead of checking here.
:o(
October 30th, 2006 at 11:46 pm
Hello everyone,
Could it be posible that today was a non-working day in China? I saw on a french forum that it was the Double Nine Day (mobile date that comes on October 30th this year). A very important day in Chinese Calendar or “Fête des Chrysanthèmes” in french.
Excuse my english… and good night!
October 30th, 2006 at 11:49 pm
Thanks again RQ for all you do keeping us posted. BUT I DO NEED THE PADDED ROOM!!! Not only am I super stressed from this past week, I am also trying to plan a December wedding for my oldest daughter! AAAAHHHHH!!! I need a valium or maybe a good stiff drink!
LID 08/25/05
October 31st, 2006 at 12:15 am
Sorry if I missed it, but what was the explanation for why we thought referrals had been received in a Euro country, but then they weren’t? I think it was Friday.
October 31st, 2006 at 12:17 am
Ignore previous comment. I just saw RQ’s explanation in the forum. Oops.
October 31st, 2006 at 12:34 am
Cmbj, thank you for your very lucid and calming missive. Occasionally I need reminding of all of that and you did it in a loving personal way. Thank you!
October 31st, 2006 at 12:36 am
Also sending codolences for everyone who lost tiny furry children… their kitties and dogs. They’re so precious and I’m very sorry for your loss.
October 31st, 2006 at 12:37 am
That would be ‘condolences’ being sent…
Sorry.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:09 am
I hope everyone is hanging on as well as possible tonight. I can’t imagine what you are going through with this wait. It has me so upset that the wait may just keep getting longer.
I know some of you were qouted a 7-9 month wait at LID, that was when we were just starting our paperwork. Now it’s been 14 months and you are still waiting. We just got our LID 16 Aug 2006. We have been qouted a 17-22 month wait-if our’s ends up being twice as long as that, I don’t know what I’ll do. But atleast we are going into this knowing it will be over a years wait-possible 2.
We have 1 sweet dog-who keeps us occupied, but no living children. I sure hope a speed up will happen in January-surely it won’t get longer…
Try too have a good night everyone and have a Great Halloween!
October 31st, 2006 at 1:27 am
Now 5.20pm in the land downunder and the CCAA website is down…again. Let this be good news when it comes back up.
I know that there does not seem to be enough stats on the correlation, but hey when dreaming is what we all do best to get us through most times then …. I’m DREAMING big big dreams ( day dreaming with El Divo playing in the background)mmmmmm.
I had a day dream the CCAA when they shifted a trolley loaded to the top with large archive boxes tipped over, and the lids fell off, and dossiers went everywhere, and they’ve had to match all the paperwork before they could do any real matching. This might be their internal problem LOL.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:31 am
Waiting for stork, I feel for you. We have been waiting for 11 months now and feel we probably have at least 7 till we hear anything and maybe now travel till the end of the summer at the earliest.
However we do have our DD to concentrate on. I feel bad for the families that are waiting to be first time parents. It is an agonizing wait. I am trying to get on with the rest of my life and pretend I am not waiting. It is getting harder to do that though because I feel compelled to keep looking at the wait especially since we are coming up to the our lid anniversay.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:32 am
Good morning everybody.
It’s 7:30 AM in Brussels and the CCAA’s website is down.
No info at the moment.
Iseirinne
Lid 9 nov 05
http://www.waitingforyou.be
October 31st, 2006 at 1:41 am
Don’t get excited-they’ve updated the entire site, but no new reviews or matches.
The text is larger and more colorful-but still no news.
October 31st, 2006 at 1:46 am
There is a new announcement posted on the site. It just talks about a recent meeting. Here is the Google translation:
2006 orphan and disabled children in special education and health development seminar organized releases :2006-10-27 Source : 135 2006 å¹´ 16 to 17 October.orphan and disabled children in special education and health seminar held in Shanghai.This symposium was organized by the Chinese adoptions, in association with the East China Normal University in Shanghai and social welfare centers,Shanghai Children’s Welfare Institution, will collect a total of 180 papers at the seminar, the 41 finalists and outstanding authors.foreign experts and professors and organizations attended the seminar.Seminar orphan and disabled children to special education and health development as the main theme, to explore the psychological development of the new era orphan and disabled children.Education Strategies and methods in the process of resettlement and social model, in order to further enhance the quality of bringing up orphan and disabled children.promotion of child welfare for the innovation and development of the theoretical support.From welfare, education and scientific research institutions and charitable organizations, experts and scholars After a lively discussion,made many insightful views.Reached a seminar to share experiences, explore new ideas, rich in theory, work for the desired goal has been a complete success.Vice Minister of Civil Affairs DOU Pei person seminar and delivered an important speech.He correctly grasp the uniqueness of orphan and disabled children in special education, special education for children with a profound understanding of the significance of the development of orphan and disabled.orphan and disabled children to actively promote the development of special education in respect of the three orphan and disabled children in special education contentsignificance of the ideas and work in the next step.Focus on caring for children, promoting development, education and integrate into the community.East China Normal University Professor orphan and disabled children on the integration of new developmentDisabled Orphans and emotional development of children with the concept of early education and child rearing countermeasures were delivered the keynote address.Danish experts on the psychology of children and young people in social welfare agencies made a special report on the prevention of psychological problems.Five outstanding authors in the General Assembly, made a statement, experts and professors to speak to each for the authors commented.The meeting orphan and disabled children’s education, development and integration of resettlement by three hours as the venue for the discussion.In closing the seminar, the Ministry of Civil Affairs, Social Welfare and Social Affairs Zhang Feng, deputy director, gave a speechTianjin, China’s adoption center director, made a summing-up speech.
October 31st, 2006 at 2:07 am
EJsMom2Be
I really do feel for you. I’m sure you can hear each second ticking.
We are one of the familes just logged in. It’s a very strange feeling. We are watching along with you. We are just waiting for any reason to feel more at ease with this whole process. I know we are in for the long haul, but how long of a haul is it really going to be???
I’ll just have to find a way to accept the long wait. Plain and Simple. It has helped to join in with other people’s joy each month.
Hang in there a bit longer!! You are almost there!
October 31st, 2006 at 2:13 am
Nothing - CCAA site still the same. Stoic. Will the agencies give us a hint today of what’s coming down the pike? What happened to the rumors about TA’s? Do rumors start over again on Mondays? Happy Tuesday everyone. Praying for a BIG day.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:48 am
This is torture. I’m sure there are many moms (or future moms) like me, who have endured infertility. I did Clomid, IUIs, IVFs, FETs and the results were three miscarriages, one ectopic pregnancy (which resulted in the removal of one of my fallopian tubes) and the premature birth (and death) when I was 6 months pregnant of my little angel which I named Chloe.
So…after three years of infertility hell, and now this horrible waiting, I am having a party tonight. A pity party.
I feel let down by this process. Yes, no one ever said it would be easy, and no one ever said that there was a definate timetable. But this is borderline ridiculous! I can’t help but feel that the CCAA doesn’t give a damn about all of us and what we’re going through. And what about all the babies in China that are waiting for us?
If one more person tells me that God has a plan for me, and that it will all be worth it in the end, I cannot be held responsible for my actions!
ARGH!!!!
LID 09/29/05
October 31st, 2006 at 3:56 am
19:57 am. people say…the referrals are here, but maybe until next week they aren’t in our hands… grgrg…the good news is THERE ARA A LOT! WE’LL SEE! :-)
October 31st, 2006 at 4:52 am
Whooo go Silvia_barcelona, well done on some positive sort of news. How many do you think is a lot?
October 31st, 2006 at 5:15 am
Happy Halloween Everyone!
Maybe today ?
M
October 31st, 2006 at 5:31 am
We got our TA/ITT today! They were mailed on Friday so something’s happening in that office. Hope they reach the US soon.
Jo
(leaving in NINE days!!!!)
October 31st, 2006 at 7:47 am
Our dossier arrived in China one year ago today. Maybe our SN TA will come today so we can feel like celebrating!