A whole bunch of things
First, we have a very reliable European agency who is saying that the CCAA is almost done with this batch and that they are going to do all of September. It is unclear to me whether they mean all of that agency’s September people or all of September. And I’m not sure when this agency’s last September LID is, either. At any rate, just the news that they are about done is really, really, really exciting. It’s only been two weeks since the last batch arrived. I don’t know how to rate this one - I want to give it an r4, but I think I have to keep it at an r3. It’s from a very (very) reliable source, but I just can’t bring myself to push it to an r4.
In other “next batch” news, there are also rumors that they are only going to get through the 23rd, but I haven’t tracked down exactly where that is coming from. I know which country it comes from, but not which agency within that country.
Next I need to address the rule changes and when they will take affect. The best I can tell, there is one agency saying that singles won’t be getting referrals on schedule after May 1st. All other agencies are saying that single applications will not be accepted after May 1st. I choose to believe the many over the one at this point. We have to wait to see what the CCAA puts out before we know for sure, but it really looks like singles are going to be referred along with the rest of their LID group as long as they are logged in by May 1st.
Also, there is one agency saying that the medical issues are going to take effect as of right now in the review room. Meaning if you are already reviewed you are safe, if not then you must fit the new medical rules. However, every other agency that is saying something is saying just the opposite of this. Again, I choose to believe the many over the one. We won’t know for sure until the CCAA issues their official statement, but I just can’t imagine that they aren’t going to grandfather people in.
As for the possible new handover procedures, at this point it appears to be at the early rumor stage and I’m giving that an r2. We need to keep an eye on it, but I don’t think this is something to worry about in the near future. The feeling I get from the whole of what I’ve seen is that one country has concerns that the Hague details are not being followed and they are pushing for a change but that the CCAA has not made any kind of statement about whether a change is going to happen or not. I’m not sure of that, but it’s the general feeling I get. Add to this that the proposed changes would make the trauma of the handover much worse for the babies, I can’t imagine that the CCAA will agree to it.
And finally, just to go back to when referrals may be mailed, I can’t bring myself to believe that they are going to be mailed this week. It’s only been two weeks. However, if they could get them out early next week then we’d have them before Christmas and that would be better than wonderful for a whole lot of families. I didn’t really think there was much of a possibility of this, but with word that they are almost done I now find myself trying to convince myself that I shouldn’t get my hopes up. I’ll let ya’ll know how that goes.
December 13th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
I’m ALLLLLLLLL for AOS!! Whoooo Hooooooo!!!!!!! LOVE it!!! and maybe by Christmas?? double Whooooo HOOOOO!! Okay… i’ll pipe down again, but RQ, you made my night… laying in bed sick…. thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 13th, 2006 at 6:48 pm
It seems that every month around this time we start with the “they’re going to get throught the rest of the month” rumours. Then they quickly fall to the wayside. ( I have no idea how to spell that) As LID 10.17.05 I sure hope that this time they are right. That would give us a glimmer of a hope of getting a referral in January.
December 13th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
Go Rumor Queen!! This might end up being a VERY Merry Christmas for your family!!
December 13th, 2006 at 6:55 pm
Wow, I just have to say that I have been reading this blog for quite a while, and this week was the first time that I started to question whether this adoption was going to happen for us! I am not happy for everyone out there feeling so insecure and scared, its just that there is always some comfort in knowing that you are not the only one who is concerned, and that also makes me want to believe that if there are this many of us who would be affected, that they have to grandfather us!
December 13th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
Well, this is fun! I’m in a bit of a mood so here goes: If any of this e-mail concerns, scares, worries, or ticks you off, call you agency and ask them what they think. I am remembering RQ’s post a few weeks ago regarding the demands of her readers wanting more info. I think we can assume that she’s telling us all she knows and if we want to double check we can call our agencies and ask. Something tells me that RQ, RK, and RP are beside themselves with excitement and anticipation just like the rest of the “late September” families. Let’s not add to it in a negative way.
Ok, I’m done. : )
SIS
December 13th, 2006 at 7:00 pm
RQ: You are doing an impressive job covering all these developments! It must be hard for you to keep your emotions out of it, but you are doing an admirable job of that as well.
December 13th, 2006 at 7:12 pm
All of Sept would be a great Christmas present for you RQ!!! I’m keeping my fingers crossed on this one.
December 13th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
Sending good wishes to all September LIDs (and October too!)–let’s see ALOT of referrals SOON!!
CC
LID 4/17/2006
December 13th, 2006 at 7:21 pm
Thanks RQ. I certainly hope they grandfather the rules until May 1 - seems unfair to change the rules to the game when people are already invested in it. N
December 13th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
OMG!
OK, once again I’ll try to keep myself in check. But, unlike last month, this early “too good to be true” rumor is from a reliable source. It’s hard not to get excited with a LID of 9/29. This time though, I’m not telling the DH until we have an r4 ;)
December 13th, 2006 at 7:23 pm
Could someone point me in the right direction to learn more about the handover procedures? I’m curious as to what they are so I can learn as to why they would make the trauma of the handover worse. Thank you.
Ziggy
June 6
December 13th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Excellent point, SIS. I agree completely.
December 13th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
Like you, RQ. I am trying so hard not to get my hopes up. It is really going to be hard for me.
December 13th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
It is very hard to not get our hopes up…especially for the thought that we could see their faces before Christmas. I am not on pins and needles anymore…more like nails and spikes!
Yolanda
December 13th, 2006 at 7:50 pm
OHHH - I hope this is true. I have a friend who is waiting for her referral. She was suppose to travel with us but missed the cut off by a couple days. SHe might even get referred twins :-)
Deb
http://www.bringinghomeolivia.blogspot.com
December 13th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
It would be so wonderful to get the referral before Christmas!!!
Rachel
LID 9/12/05 for Margaux
December 13th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
do you think the statement by the one agency about singles has to do with the “priority” language? gosh I hope not, that would be awful. Even though it kind of seems like it sometimes, I really don’t think that CCAA is out to get us –not honoring the dossiers of singles already logged in would be cruel.
I spoke to my agency yesterday. We have an “issue” in our dossier which would very likely prevent us from adopting under the new rules. They were adamant that the new rules would only go into affect for families logged in after 5/1. They are medium sized china only. We’re LID 2/13/06 so haven’t gone through review yet, these changes have me a little freaked out! They’re very tight lipped and usually completely uninformative and I kind of grilled them.
For today, I’m going to hang onto the hope that my agency is correct and the new rules won’t affect us. Fingers crossed.
For those of you expecting or hoping for referrals, I’m so thrilled for you all!!! AOS, AOS, AOS (and just a little of October, please!!!!)
December 13th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, as you step onto the coaster, please make sure your safety bar is down and that your seat belt is tightly fastened. Anyone who has recently eaten fried dough with an ice cream soda chaser, please use the back car only.
Thank you and enjoy your time at Disney Bejing.
GOING UP…click..click..clickclickclickclick………
There’s a small chance that I’m starting to lose it a bit. My sincerest apologies.
BigDaddy
December 13th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
HERE WE GO!
9/9/05, I hope!
December 13th, 2006 at 8:17 pm
rotfl BigDaddy
December 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pm
I have had this gut feeling for a while that this woud be a good month. I am not expecting to be included but I sure hope we come close. This is a GREAT rumor! RQ, I can not wait to see this site when you get your referral. I know the outpouring of joy will be so awesome.
Kimber LID 10-08-05
Getting so close:)
December 13th, 2006 at 8:37 pm
LMAO, Big Daddy that was tooo funny!!! Here’s hoping
for AOS…..I BELIEVE!!!!!
LID 11/18/05
December 13th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
The ice cream soda chaser is great! Thanks for the laugh!
December 13th, 2006 at 8:46 pm
RQ - I have my fingers crossed for you in hopes the CCAA gets thru the whole month! How exciting!!
December 13th, 2006 at 8:55 pm
AHHHH!
This would be the best Christmas present EVER. I am not getting my hopes up at all and RQ i so appreciate your thoughts - i will keep this back of mind and not share with anyone!
Early rumor, kind of fun and crazy…..but we needed it! : )
- Loveherso
9/12/05 LID and totally, totally, totally going bonkers wanting to see my babies sweet, yummy face!
December 13th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
I know in the past that the CCAA has sent out referrals so that they would arrive right before Christmas. I hope this happens this year too!
December 13th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
With a 9/29 LID, I am trying soooo hard not to get excited about the possibility of AOS. Every friggin month I get my hopes up when I hear the positive rumors, only to be let-down bigtime.
Please, please, please let it be AOS! Santa, do you hear me? All I want for Christmas is Sophie.
Erica
December 13th, 2006 at 9:17 pm
Dear CCAA, please hurry up and SEND ME MY DAUGHTER’S PICTURE!!! I am tired of waiting and REALLY am ready to be her mommy!!!!!! And, I want to get off this roller coaster ride that y’all have created for all the waiting families.
Thank you.
His,
Mrs. U
LID 9-12-05- NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.makingahouseahome.blogspot.com
December 13th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Hi all! What a day! I was even checking out the good old Rumor Queen on my cell phone when I wasn’t near my PC. O’k, I am addicted. With a newly logged in dossier (10/27/06) and a few red flags under the new rules….I am going to take a deep breathe tonite and go with faith that these new rules will not exclude me…and I’m “grandfathered” in….I decided that I think this is all a ploy to get me used to the fact that I’m going to have a long wait. The fact that I’m still eligible kinda of supercedes upset that that my 12 month wait may become 18 months. As long as I still get the chance to be with my daughter, I’ll wait as long as I have to. I promise, that once I know for sure that my dossier is still good in the eyes of the CCAA I’ll never complain about my long wait time!!! (Did I really just pledge that :) ) Anyway….here’s to the best Chrismas and Hannukah ever with a huge referral month! RQ …you will be getting yours this month??? Or at least I hope so!
I’ve decided that if you need to quit your job to manage this site and raise two kids, I will pay a monthly fee for you! You are amazing!!!! The best of luck to you and here’s to AOS AOS AOS!!! Wendi
December 13th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Shanggirls-
I did not know that. That a .25 to the rating for me. : )
Thanks-
SIS
December 13th, 2006 at 9:20 pm
As far as the rules, my large china only agency rep reassured me today as log as we are logged in by May 07 we will not be affected by the rule changes (one of the medical rules impacts us)
We will be LID in January, I look forward to jumping on the roller coaster ! (I think ;)
December 13th, 2006 at 9:20 pm
Here is the translation of the new post on CCAA website.
From October 27 to 30th, comes from national 29 provinces, the city, autonomous region social welfare organization 101 chiefs oligomerization mountain city Chongqing, participated in nation child welfare organization chief who conducts by the Chinese adoption center the training class.
Bureau of Civil Administration Vice-minister Dou Yupei arrives personally the training class to see the student, and has made the important speech. He encourages everybody to want to know fully the child welfare enterprise development situation, the enhancement consciousness of rare opportunity and responsibility consciousness, inspires the confidence, takes advantage of a favorable situation on; Must study earnestly implements the 12th civil administration conference spirit, impels the child welfare enterprise fast development; Wants earnest to complete the child welfare and the adoption work solidly. Vice-minister the Dou Yupei speech understands the situation clearly, the correct assurance child welfare enterprise development direction to chiefs has the important guiding sense.
The child nurtures the work is the child welfare enterprise important content, is the social welfare organization foundational work, manifests the party and the government directly to the orphaned remnant child’s concern, relates the orphaned remnant child basic rights and interests the realization, the reflection social welfare organization work achievement. Among them, raises, governs, teaches, Kang is nurtures the work the core content, the function facility and the personnel troop construction is nurtures the work the basic condition, the scientific management is nurtures the work the important guarantee. In order to promote the welfare activity child to nurture the work the scientific style, the standardization, the specialized level, the Chinese adoption center carries out the topic research positively, enhancement specialized skill training, the rich training content, consummates the training method unceasingly, and links up with the national professional qualifications standard, altogether organized to nurture the infant teacher, the nutrition mixed ready-to-cook dish teacher this year and so on 5 kinds of 16 issue of training, some 347 people passed the national professional qualifications appraisal test, has obtained the national professional intelligence certificate, for sped up the welfare activity personnel training, the exploration professionalism, the specialized path have carried on the beneficial attempt.
The Bureau of Civil Administration Correlation Operation division Bureau’s leadership as well as the social well-known experts, professor teach on invitation, the content which teaches both have the child rights and interests protection, the sociological introduction, the welfare activity management, the nurture work instruction and so on the macroscopic content, and has the donation fund management, the international cooperation project management, the growth target appraisal and so on concrete, the operational strong microscopic content, makes chiefs who the senate teaches to renew the work idea, has consummated the knowledge structure, has cleared off the work mentality, deepened to has nurtured the work the understanding, also strengthened for chiefs to nurtures the work the management and the instruction, the promotion welfare activity professionalism construction has laid the foundation.
Chiefs indicated in abundance must the knowledge which learns apply in the practical work, raises the work instruction level unceasingly, is the orphaned remnant child’s health growth seeps more sentiments, offers more compassion, pours into a bigger energy, realizes General Secretary Hu Jintao’s earnest hope diligently, causes the orphaned remnant child to be same with other children, under the motherland identical piece blue sky the health happy growth, promotes the child welfare enterprise to reach a new level again.
The Bureau of Civil Administration social welfare and the social affair department opens bright director and Chinese adoption center Director Lu Ying attends a meeting and speaks.
December 13th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
Why do we have this translation posted in a half dozen places? It’s in the forum and it’s on a bunch of comment threads. If it were relevant to our rumors I’d have made a blog post out of it, but it’s not, so it is in the forum.
December 13th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
lamichell, just by you saying that, has made me feel better!
Good luck and come on and get logged in!!!!
Wendi
December 13th, 2006 at 9:29 pm
Someone asked what the translation was. I thought I was being helpful please remove it.
December 13th, 2006 at 9:33 pm
Sorry sarah - that wasn’t towards you so much as towards all of the translations and the questions that people keep asking even though it was asked and answered a couple of hours ago and a few hours before that and a couple of times yesterday, too. Yours just happened to be the most recent.
December 13th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
Someone earlier asked about the handover process and how that might change…Is there any more inforamtion on this? I’m curious as to how it could be made more stressful for the babies.
Valerie
lid4/4/06
December 13th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
RQ-
Is this very reliable agency by any chance TATUR?
Meg
LID
9/29
December 13th, 2006 at 9:57 pm
BigDaddy - Thanks for the laugh! I have not laughed out loud to any comments regarding our adoption in weeks :)
To all those that may have their baby’s picture by Christmas, may this be the Christmas you have hoped for these last few months when the realization set in that you would not be able to have your children home by Christmas! I think someone should invent a blow-up Christmas picture frame with their child’s referral picture!!!
December 13th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
RQ
I have a funny feeling you are a journalist. Do we see you on TV each day and just don’t know it? You are way too good at sifting through information and making sense out of it. You are really good with words…
If you aren’t, then I think you may have missed your calling! Watch out CNN!!!
December 13th, 2006 at 10:50 pm
OK, I was drifting through the month feeling oddly numb, thinking our referral would come around 1-2 or 1-3, but this has been a positive jolt to wake me up again. Just to get confirmation and hopefully a photo of our little girl before Christmas would truly be the best gift ever. I can’t stress enough that I’m not being glib, cliche, and those are not just words. Really. The best gift. Ever.
Lee (9-9 LID, and I used to assume we were next, but CCAA has made too many strange moves lately!)
December 13th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
Hi Lee….
You are not dreaming! You REALLY are next!
I can’t wait to pop the cork with you!!!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:47 am
Yes! Whoever suggested paying a monthly fee for RQ’s
updates had a great idea! Say RQ, you could give up the day job and all of us would pay you instead, eh? What do you think of that notion?
Seriously, you continue to baffle me with your connections and understanding of complex issues–and all at lightning speed. Really amazing to me. And much appreciated. It makes the wait both entertaining and bearable.
Thank you. Again.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:28 am
I echo the AOS chant. Let’s pray this is true. As someone else pointed out, the AOS rumor last month were from not reliable or neutral agencies. This month it is comming, as RQ said, from a very (very) reliable agency. Just typing that made my heart jump.
Anyone know what the last LID is in Sept?
ANyone know what the first LID is in Oct?
This is AMAZING!!!!
Christy
10-17-05
http://www.bock.redthreadkids.org
December 14th, 2006 at 4:48 am
Actually, I’ve wondered from time to time if RQ really consists of a whole team, a team that just calles itself RQ… Because how can just one person have time to do all this work?!
:-)
December 14th, 2006 at 6:00 am
Just my question, Guangdong. I feel truely humbled whenever I open this site.
RQ, I really really hope that you will get your referral this time although I fear for the day you will not have time with us anymore!
December 14th, 2006 at 8:05 am
Lee…..I’m not gonna say I’m next anymore either. Too many people have been passed by the last 2 batches. I’m gonna be the one in the last seat of this coaster, with two fingers in my ears.
9/9/05
December 14th, 2006 at 8:56 am
shanggirls … or anyone who’s BTDT
are there any stats on the CCAA sending referrals so they arrived before Christmas in years past? I would love to believe this, but the logical side of my brain wants to see a history to this…
9/29 and hopeful
December 14th, 2006 at 10:14 am
bdfitz,
I have info from the last five years when referrals were sent for my agency. But, the last record of something similar was 2001. The last four years the November batch has been earlier than 11/30. Here is what I have. You can find the last 12 months on RQ’s Site Navigation Link above. Click on CCAA Updates & Referrals…
2001 - 11/29 and 12/27
2002 - 11/8 and 12/2
2003 - 11/20 and 1/5/04
2004 - 11/8 and 12/13
2005 - 11/10 and 12/8
Best wishes to you for a referral very soon!
December 14th, 2006 at 10:27 am
My notes are referrals 12/8/05 and 1/25/06 for last year. Don’t have the date for November.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:52 am
This is getting very exciting! Does anyone know about the handover process and how the “talked about” new process could make it more stressful on the babies???
Thank you!
Ziggy
LID June
December 14th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
Thanks for the smile Big Daddy! I needed it today! My 5 year is acting like to Spawn of Satan!! Its days like this if I wonder if two kids is too much….
December 14th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
See, I cannot even type in complete sentences…Definitely time for a frozen drink!
December 14th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
kcbock-
I am not sure what the last LID in September is, but for us it is 10/07. There are none the first week of the month because of the national holiday.
Claire
LID 10/10/05
December 14th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
I received an email today from my agency regarding the new rules. They pretty much reiterated what we’ve already seen on this site but they stated that those with LID’s WILL be grandfathered in.
Sarah LID 3/1/06
December 14th, 2006 at 9:57 pm
I don’t really understand the need for new rules or the scandal about children being sold. I thought china had many, many orphaned girls. I read that the U.N. estimated that there were 20 million orphans in China. Aren’t there only about 10.000 a year being adopted internationally? we want a daughter very badly–but we also want to provide a home to a child who needs one. Are we doing the right thing? Is there really a supply and demand problem? When we started this process they said that girls were being abandoned–now they are saying that they arebeing kidnapped a sold. Can anyone explain this?