Comments on: Interesting story http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/ Join the Rumor Queen as she looks for the latest rumors and then analyzes them, trying to figure out what the CCAA will do next. Sat, 19 May 2012 02:54:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: postfarm http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27402 postfarm Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:46:23 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27402 RQ, that makes sense then, as our visits were in 10/03 and 3/05. I know families who have visited these same orphanages since then and will ask if they were charged fees. RQ, that makes sense then, as our visits were in 10/03 and 3/05. I know families who have visited these same orphanages since then and will ask if they were charged fees.

]]> By: RumorQueen http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27360 RumorQueen Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:12:50 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27360 postfarm - these rules went into place sometime in 2006, I can't remember exactly when without looking, but it seems like it was later winter or early spring. When they first went into place some of the provinces were charging horribly outlandish fees and the tour companies I think complained to the CCAA and then the CCAA (I think) decided on the amount that the fees should be. Have you been back to an orphanage since then? I'd be interested in hearing if you have, as it may mean that the rules have been relaxed a good bit. postfarm – these rules went into place sometime in 2006, I can’t remember exactly when without looking, but it seems like it was later winter or early spring. When they first went into place some of the provinces were charging horribly outlandish fees and the tour companies I think complained to the CCAA and then the CCAA (I think) decided on the amount that the fees should be.

Have you been back to an orphanage since then? I’d be interested in hearing if you have, as it may mean that the rules have been relaxed a good bit.

]]> By: neatokimmo http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27359 neatokimmo Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:06:54 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27359 Ok, I read the article. As a single I do not have priority. However if they were to tell me that my dossier could be matched after May 1 but it would be 3-4 years, I would do that. I'd just choose an agency that wants the bulk of it's fees closer to the travel time instead at dossier submission. DD#2 might end up being DD#3 instead. Kim Ok, I read the article. As a single I do not have priority.

However if they were to tell me that my dossier could be matched after May 1 but it would be 3-4 years, I would do that. I’d just choose an agency that wants the bulk of it’s fees closer to the travel time instead at dossier submission. DD#2 might end up being DD#3 instead.

Kim

]]> By: postfarm http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27353 postfarm Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:53:53 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27353 RQ, just a clarification. I've visited orphanages 3 times in China and never had to pay a fee or request provincial permission. At one visit, we just showed up on our own, expecting to take only exterior pictures, but we were invited in and given a tour. The other 2 times, we called the director and asked if we could visit. Again, they welcomed us with open arms and no fees were mentioned. We were allowed to take pictures and video and even hold babies. So that might be a provincial policy, but not all directors follow it. I do think they would be far more hesitant to allow reporters inside though. RQ, just a clarification. I’ve visited orphanages 3 times in China and never had to pay a fee or request provincial permission. At one visit, we just showed up on our own, expecting to take only exterior pictures, but we were invited in and given a tour. The other 2 times, we called the director and asked if we could visit. Again, they welcomed us with open arms and no fees were mentioned. We were allowed to take pictures and video and even hold babies. So that might be a provincial policy, but not all directors follow it.

I do think they would be far more hesitant to allow reporters inside though.

]]> By: Bsmom2Be http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27352 Bsmom2Be Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:40:55 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27352 All these rules are really creating a stir. I wonder if China knows that? I just feel so bad for everyone. So what if someone is obese just because your obese doesn't mean that your unhealthy. Granted obesity could lead to health problems but they are really picking apart things now. As for anxiety/depression issues most women who have been through IF have it some people like myself it is genetic but successfully treated. And as far as singles we know single parents and they are excellant parents. I have a cousin who is married with one child by a fling and her two boys may or may not be by her hubby now and she could care less about them. It is her hubby that tends to the kids it isn't a couple raising the kids together it is ONE parent in that relationship doing the child rearing. So China may feel they are doing the best interests of children but that don't mean squat really. Sadly so many good people are gonna be knocked out and it just stinks. We thought we would have had our daughter home by now. We should get our referral soon heck May '07 will be two years since we started this process. I can only imagine how bad wait times are gonna be in the future. I am dying as is our family with this wait. Good thing I have warmed up to the fact.....after spending x-mas with in-laws who have only children...........that my daughter will be an only. I just don't know if I can do this again. I did talk to a well known agency about adoption #2 possibly being from Guatemala and she told me there will be many changes to IA in the years to come many more stricter guidelines and Guatemala will be an uncertain country too. She told me China's readjustment is the just the beginning :( My agency said the same:( Oh I am depressed need to go eat an x-mas cookie............ All these rules are really creating a stir. I wonder if China knows that? I just feel so bad for everyone. So what if someone is obese just because your obese doesn’t mean that your unhealthy. Granted obesity could lead to health problems but they are really picking apart things now. As for anxiety/depression issues most women who have been through IF have it some people like myself it is genetic but successfully treated. And as far as singles we know single parents and they are excellant parents. I have a cousin who is married with one child by a fling and her two boys may or may not be by her hubby now and she could care less about them. It is her hubby that tends to the kids it isn’t a couple raising the kids together it is ONE parent in that relationship doing the child rearing. So China may feel they are doing the best interests of children but that don’t mean squat really. Sadly so many good people are gonna be knocked out and it just stinks. We thought we would have had our daughter home by now. We should get our referral soon heck May ’07 will be two years since we started this process. I can only imagine how bad wait times are gonna be in the future. I am dying as is our family with this wait. Good thing I have warmed up to the fact…..after spending x-mas with in-laws who have only children………..that my daughter will be an only. I just don’t know if I can do this again. I did talk to a well known agency about adoption #2 possibly being from Guatemala and she told me there will be many changes to IA in the years to come many more stricter guidelines and Guatemala will be an uncertain country too. She told me China’s readjustment is the just the beginning :( My agency said the same:( Oh I am depressed need to go eat an x-mas cookie…………

]]> By: katydid http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27345 katydid Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:06:55 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27345 Forgot to mention that the CCAA letter made specific mention that they were not prejudiced against the less qualified applicants. A Chinese newspaper ran an article yesterday that was obviously based on the CCAA letter. It begins by saying that China is imposing stricter criteria on foreignors who want to adopt Chinese children. The Xinhua story again stresses the Ministry's position that overweight people are more likely to suffer from diseases and might have a shorter life expectancy. Forgot to mention that the CCAA letter made specific mention that they were not prejudiced against the less qualified applicants.

A Chinese newspaper ran an article yesterday that was obviously based on the CCAA letter. It begins by saying that China is imposing stricter criteria on foreignors who want to adopt Chinese children. The Xinhua story again stresses the Ministry’s position that overweight people are more likely to suffer from diseases and might have a shorter life expectancy.

]]> By: CarolynW http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27321 CarolynW Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:15:52 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27321 Very interesting article. But I agree that it sounds like the officials are "saving face". They are probably reacting a little defensively to some of the US media bylines akin to "Fat and ugly need not apply...". Go figure. I guess the prioritization of families meeting the new guidelines will be done at the agency level- so, by May, China will probably only be receiving dossiers of the so-called "more qualified" families (their words, not mine). But who knows what the story will be this time next year? All you can depend on when it comes to international adoption, it seems, is that things can change on a dime. Keeps things interesting, right? I hope those referrals get here soon! We're waiting for a "proposal" from the WCP via their new process (DTC *after* accepting a direct proposal), and we've been told we could get it as soon as January- or not. But after being in this process since Feb 2005, what's a few more months? Yikes! Carolyn http://china-calling.blogspot.com Very interesting article.

But I agree that it sounds like the officials are “saving face”. They are probably reacting a little defensively to some of the US media bylines akin to “Fat and ugly need not apply…”. Go figure.

I guess the prioritization of families meeting the new guidelines will be done at the agency level- so, by May, China will probably only be receiving dossiers of the so-called “more qualified” families (their words, not mine).

But who knows what the story will be this time next year? All you can depend on when it comes to international adoption, it seems, is that things can change on a dime. Keeps things interesting, right?

I hope those referrals get here soon! We’re waiting for a “proposal” from the WCP via their new process (DTC *after* accepting a direct proposal), and we’ve been told we could get it as soon as January- or not. But after being in this process since Feb 2005, what’s a few more months? Yikes!

Carolyn
http://china-calling.blogspot.com

]]> By: RumorQueen http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27315 RumorQueen Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:38:39 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27315 Some orphanages are having a good amount of domestic adoption. But this agency was not doing very many domestic adoptions - so at least in this one orphanage, yes, most of those children will likely never be adopted. And that's the thing - there are orphanages that are almost empty with few babies coming in and a list of people in China that wish to adopt. And there are orphanages that are packed beyond what they can handle that aren't being allowed to send paperwork to the CCAA for more than a half dozen to a dozen babies a year, and who also do not have any locals asking to adopt any of them. China is a big country - you can't just go to one area and investigate and think you have the answer. Some orphanages are having a good amount of domestic adoption. But this agency was not doing very many domestic adoptions – so at least in this one orphanage, yes, most of those children will likely never be adopted.

And that’s the thing – there are orphanages that are almost empty with few babies coming in and a list of people in China that wish to adopt.

And there are orphanages that are packed beyond what they can handle that aren’t being allowed to send paperwork to the CCAA for more than a half dozen to a dozen babies a year, and who also do not have any locals asking to adopt any of them.

China is a big country – you can’t just go to one area and investigate and think you have the answer.

]]> By: Bliss http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27314 Bliss Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:23:08 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27314 RQ - then I understand. But paper ready means not just for IA, right? Paper ready means for any adoption, also nationally? So those children aren't going to be adopted at all? RQ – then I understand. But paper ready means not just for IA, right? Paper ready means for any adoption, also nationally? So those children aren’t going to be adopted at all?

]]> By: RumorQueen http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/comment-page-1/#comment-27313 RumorQueen Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:18:47 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/25/interesting-story/#comment-27313 Bliss - those orphanages that are full of babies only have a handful being made paper ready. There is one story of over 1,000 children in a single orphanage and only three or four that were in the process of being made paper ready. Bliss – those orphanages that are full of babies only have a handful being made paper ready. There is one story of over 1,000 children in a single orphanage and only three or four that were in the process of being made paper ready.

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