Comments on: New Applicants http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/ Join the Rumor Queen as she looks for the latest rumors and then analyzes them, trying to figure out what the CCAA will do next. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:15:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: NaturalizedCT http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31135 NaturalizedCT Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:42:00 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31135 Agencies have been limiting how many singles they will take for quite some time. As for your other question, those LID by May are unlikely to have their process speeded up. It is also likely that the backlog will be much larger by May and therefore those who submit after May are also likely to have a long wait. On another note hopefully no one is so desperate for a child that they would quit needed meds but I do expect a substantial number of people who have taken anti-depressants will chose not to mention that fact to the agency or the Doctor who signs their medical forms. Agencies have been limiting how many singles they will take for quite some time.

As for your other question, those LID by May are unlikely to have their process speeded up. It is also likely that the backlog will be much larger by May and therefore those who submit after May are also likely to have a long wait.

On another note hopefully no one is so desperate for a child that they would quit needed meds but I do expect a substantial number of people who have taken anti-depressants will chose not to mention that fact to the agency or the Doctor who signs their medical forms.

]]> By: beachlover http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31134 beachlover Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:18:30 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31134 Hi all. It has been a while since I have logged in to post. We are getting ready to send in our Dossier for our second baby any day. The question I have about these new rules is "will these make the wait shorter for the applicants who submit their dossiers after May1 or will this make the process as a whole speed up for all who are already LID in China theirfor cause a domino effect?" One of the large China only agencys is telling new applicants it will be an 18 month wait. We are just trying to settle into a relistic time frame here, as I am sure everyone is. I don't mind China setting new guidelines. I feel they should actually. Korea's rules were such, my spouse and I didn't qualify to adopt from there. That was OK. Other countrys were willing to acept us. So we found a country that would. A close friend(single) applied to my agency to adopt from China back in early Sept. 06. She was told shortly after that she was not going to qualify because China was NOT going to allow single females to adopt anymore. Nothing was said about May1 being the cut off date. She would have had her Dossier done way before that. So, some of this stuff I think is agency rulls cutting people off before the deadline for what ever the reason. If anyone has any insight on my question, please send your ideas my way. :) Hi all. It has been a while since I have logged in to post. We are getting ready to send in our Dossier for our second baby any day. The question I have about these new rules is “will these make the wait shorter for the applicants who submit their dossiers after May1 or will this make the process as a whole speed up for all who are already LID in China theirfor cause a domino effect?” One of the large China only agencys is telling new applicants it will be an 18 month wait. We are just trying to settle into a relistic time frame here, as I am sure everyone is.
I don’t mind China setting new guidelines. I feel they should actually. Korea’s rules were such, my spouse and I didn’t qualify to adopt from there. That was OK. Other countrys were willing to acept us. So we found a country that would. A close friend(single) applied to my agency to adopt from China back in early Sept. 06. She was told shortly after that she was not going to qualify because China was NOT going to allow single females to adopt anymore. Nothing was said about May1 being the cut off date. She would have had her Dossier done way before that. So, some of this stuff I think is agency rulls cutting people off before the deadline for what ever the reason.
If anyone has any insight on my question, please send your ideas my way. :)

]]> By: threebluesteps http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31097 threebluesteps Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:32:11 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31097 The idea that agencies wanting clients are suggesting that emotionally-vulnerable people (wanting/needing adoption) consider going off doctor-precscribed (and possibly much-needed medication) in order to qualify for CCAA rules is a little freaky. We already know, from seeing their false estimates of wait times (and the guy on RQ site who found out his agency knowlingly gave him false information) that some US agencies do not act in the best interests of their clients. Even suggesting that someone go off meds seems way out of line. I realize that question may have been simply 'Is it possible to...' - but the idea of people with no education in that area even making these suggestions to people who are desperate for a child .... seems ethically suspect. Some real disasters could come out of this. (Harm to a parent who needed meds; harm to a child raised by a parent who needed meds). ----------- "He is now a recovered Cardio Myopic Patient and the doctor is keeping him on the meds because of family history. We called our agency about this because of the new rules and they asked him if he could get off of the Coreg. If he was off of it they would accept us but if he was not they would have to send it to CCAA for review." The idea that agencies wanting clients are suggesting
that emotionally-vulnerable people (wanting/needing adoption)
consider going off doctor-precscribed (and possibly much-needed medication)
in order to qualify for CCAA rules
is a little freaky. We already know, from seeing their false estimates of wait times (and the guy on RQ site who found out his agency knowlingly gave him false information) that some US agencies do not act in the best interests of their clients. Even suggesting that someone go off meds seems way out of line. I realize that question may have been simply ‘Is it possible to…’ - but the idea of people with no education in that area even making these suggestions to people who are desperate for a child …. seems ethically suspect. Some real disasters could come out of this. (Harm to a parent who needed meds; harm to a child raised by a parent who needed meds).

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“He is now a recovered Cardio Myopic Patient and the doctor is keeping him on the meds because of family history. We called our agency about this because of the new rules and they asked him if he could get off of the Coreg. If he was off of it they would accept us but if he was not they would have to send it to CCAA for review.”

]]> By: beth146 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31081 beth146 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:16:13 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31081 We are in the middle of our homestudy update in Virginia. We too are working with a new SW since our original one has left our agency. We are in the process of building a new home so we live in a rental home while we sell our old home. The sw (who I love by the way) visted our rental home to make sure it had enough room, was safe, etc. in case we get our referral before the new house is ready (yeah, right, like that's going to happen!). She asked if there were any other changes (there were not) and then that was that. The cost for the update was $500. The only documentation we have to submit for the update is medical, criminal and child protective services background checks and DMV records. The medical requirement for VA is much less stringent than for China and we only had to meet VA standards. They required no financial info, tax records, job letters, etc. We had to pay to get all of those records all over again on top of the $500 and the I600A fees. For the updated I171H we must submit an updated homestudy, copies of the documents as required by the I600A and the fees for the processing and re-fingerprinting. I don't believe any of this will be submitted to China although I'm not sure about the address change issue. Does anyone know if that has to go? This is just an fyi for others who are going through this now. Beth We are in the middle of our homestudy update in Virginia. We too are working with a new SW since our original one has left our agency. We are in the process of building a new home so we live in a rental home while we sell our old home. The sw (who I love by the way) visted our rental home to make sure it had enough room, was safe, etc. in case we get our referral before the new house is ready (yeah, right, like that’s going to happen!). She asked if there were any other changes (there were not) and then that was that. The cost for the update was $500. The only documentation we have to submit for the update is medical, criminal and child protective services background checks and DMV records. The medical requirement for VA is much less stringent than for China and we only had to meet VA standards. They required no financial info, tax records, job letters, etc.

We had to pay to get all of those records all over again on top of the $500 and the I600A fees.

For the updated I171H we must submit an updated homestudy, copies of the documents as required by the I600A and the fees for the processing and re-fingerprinting.

I don’t believe any of this will be submitted to China although I’m not sure about the address change issue. Does anyone know if that has to go?

This is just an fyi for others who are going through this now.

Beth

]]> By: babyincite http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31074 babyincite Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:23:31 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31074 We just renewed our home study in California. Our SW came, looked at our tax returns, took some notes and - no charge! Those who are searching for agencies to handle their adoptions should make additional charges due to delays part of their question list, but who knew way back when that we'd all be in this boat? LID 12/13/05 We just renewed our home study in California. Our SW came, looked at our tax returns, took some notes and - no charge! Those who are searching for agencies to handle their adoptions should make additional charges due to delays part of their question list, but who knew way back when that we’d all be in this boat?

LID 12/13/05

]]> By: 4emily http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31052 4emily Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:36:41 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31052 waiting4_2nd Says: I am trying to figure that out myself!! I called the HS agency about the fingerprint updates and the I-171H redo. I was told that it was like starting from sq. one, after we took our kids to the dr for physicals and our selves and we did the blood work again and provided all the financials, this yrs taxes etc then they would send a sw out for the update. Our sw is no longer with them too I was told :( I was told they would talk specifics in 2 weeks as they are too swamped now with the deadlines for China. When I pressed them further I was told to call back Feb 5th as they are short staffed. I was told San Diego is running 12 weeks at present for the I-171H and 4 weeks for fingerprint appts. She said they have to send all that in the hs for the I-600A update, I said great thousands more...:( that is when I was told they "try to keep it min. but do charge $250/hr and it is usually $1,000 to $1,200 for the update! WTH? waiting4_2nd Says:
I am trying to figure that out myself!! I called the HS agency about the fingerprint updates and the I-171H redo. I was told that it was like starting from sq. one, after we took our kids to the dr for physicals and our selves and we did the blood work again and provided all the financials, this yrs taxes etc then they would send a sw out for the update. Our sw is no longer with them too I was told :(
I was told they would talk specifics in 2 weeks as they are too swamped now with the deadlines for China. When I pressed them further I was told to call back Feb 5th as they are short staffed. I was told San Diego is running 12 weeks at present for the I-171H and 4 weeks for fingerprint appts. She said they have to send all that in the hs for the I-600A update, I said great thousands more…:( that is when I was told they “try to keep it min. but do charge $250/hr and it is usually $1,000 to $1,200 for the update! WTH?

]]> By: marykate http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31051 marykate Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:29:21 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31051 Sorry for the double post! I am new here. Sorry for the double post! I am new here.

]]> By: marykate http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31050 marykate Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:27:28 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31050 I was not rejected as a new applicant, but I would have been if I had used anti-depressants. When I called the agency which we used for our first adoption to ask about their SN program if we miss the May 1 deadline (my husband is 50 now), the coordinator asked if I or my husband had taken anti-depressants in the last two years. When I said no, she pressed me, saying that this included anti-depressants taken for any reason, even medical ones such as hot flashes or back pain. I said that several years ago I taken an anti-depressant for a couple of weeks to see if it would help with a gastro-intestinal problem (it didn't). She said I would be fine as long as it was more than two years ago. When I said that I was sure that it was, she said that she would add me to the waiting list for SN if I missed the May 1 deadline. It is clear to me that the agency believes that the anti-depressant ban is not flexible at all. I was not rejected as a new applicant, but I would have been if I had used anti-depressants. When I called the agency which we used for our first adoption to ask about their SN program if we miss the May 1 deadline (my husband is 50 now), the coordinator asked if I or my husband had taken anti-depressants in the last two years. When I said no, she pressed me, saying that this included anti-depressants taken for any reason, even medical ones such as hot flashes or back pain. I said that several years ago I taken an anti-depressant for a couple of weeks to see if it would help with a gastro-intestinal problem (it didn’t). She said I would be fine as long as it was more than two years ago. When I said that I was sure that it was, she said that she would add me to the waiting list for SN if I missed the May 1 deadline. It is clear to me that the agency believes that the anti-depressant ban is not flexible at all.

]]> By: marykate http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31049 marykate Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:26:28 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31049 I was not rejected as a new applicant, but I would have been if I had used anti-depressants. When I called the agency which we used for our first adoption to ask about their SN program if we miss the May 1 deadline (my husband is 50 now), the coordinator asked if I or my husband had taken anti-depressants in the last two years. When I said no, she pressed me, saying that this included anti-depressants taken for any reason, even medical ones such as hot flashes or back pain. I said that several years ago I taken an anti-depressant for a couple of weeks to see if it would help with a gastro-intestinal problem (it didn't). She said I would be fine as long as it was more than two years ago. When I said that I was sure that it was, she said that she would add me to the waiting list for SN if I missed the May 1 deadline. It is clear to me that the agency believes that the anti-depressant ban is not flexible at all. I am they are wrong. I was not rejected as a new applicant, but I would have been if I had used anti-depressants. When I called the agency which we used for our first adoption to ask about their SN program if we miss the May 1 deadline (my husband is 50 now), the coordinator asked if I or my husband had taken anti-depressants in the last two years. When I said no, she pressed me, saying that this included anti-depressants taken for any reason, even medical ones such as hot flashes or back pain. I said that several years ago I taken an anti-depressant for a couple of weeks to see if it would help with a gastro-intestinal problem (it didn’t). She said I would be fine as long as it was more than two years ago. When I said that I was sure that it was, she said that she would add me to the waiting list for SN if I missed the May 1 deadline. It is clear to me that the agency believes that the anti-depressant ban is not flexible at all. I am they are wrong.

]]> By: NaturalizedCT http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31048 NaturalizedCT Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:34:47 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/01/18/new-applicants/#comment-31048 So has anyone heard anything about the anti-depressent issue. Is the 2 year ban a hard deadline. Is any amount of use unacceptable. I have not heard of anyone with past or present use of anti-depressents being turned down yet but I have heard about people chosing not to mention their use of these medications. So has anyone heard anything about the anti-depressent issue. Is the 2 year ban a hard deadline. Is any amount of use unacceptable.

I have not heard of anyone with past or present use of anti-depressents being turned down yet but I have heard about people chosing not to mention their use of these medications.

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