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Singles switching to SNWe know that the CCAA has turned people down who want to switch to SN who do not meet the new requirements. We also know a few people have been approved to adopt SN who do not meet the new requirements, and there is some confusion about that. An agency has received confirmation from the CCAA that single people who are already logged in can still choose a waiting child and switch to the SN program. 
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June 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Strange, this seems to be very conflicting info?
Do you happen to know which of the new requirements the families that were turned down did not meet?
June 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
Conflicting info seems to be the norm, sadly.
As for requirements, several cases were of not meeting the net worth requirement, one had too many divorces, and one had not completed high school. Those are the ones off the top of my head, there have probably been more I’ve been made aware of but just am not remembering.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
RQ, could you explain, or direct me to info, on how switching from nsn to sn does NOT shorten the wait for nsn. Am I correct in thinking that the # of referrals per month includes a combination of both nsn and sn babies, or are there 2 different lines? I am nsn, and am not switching, just trying to understand all the different pieces. Thanks so much.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
manda4lilly,
Do a search for Attrition (search box is in right hand column near the bottom) and read the last three entries that come up.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Thanks RQ, I’m putting on my reading glasses, and looking forward to digesting your wisdom.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Perhaps CCAA is using the new rules, in this situation (NSN to SN switch) as guidelines–to allow them to restrict if they wish, but accepting if the applicants are overall, in CCAA’s mind, strong and suitable applicants. Given the SN urgency and high needs of children, and smaller pool of applying parents on whichto draw, this would make sense: a more case by case approach.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
This is just great news! I have a couple of friends who are single and they have switched to SN from NSN. They are currently waiting to hear if its a go or not (they have sent their LOI’s in and are waiting for a response).
June 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Thanks RQ, this is very interesting.
Did the families that were turned down actually send a LOI for a specific child that had been selected for them by their agency? Or were they just trying to send a general SN application to CCAA? Do you think there might be a difference between these two types of applications here?
It seems cruel if they do not inform the agencies about what rules they must follow when they select SN families, and then turn down applications for specific children, since that must mean that the agency has to match the child with a new family, which will make the wait longer for that child!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Maybe it is different to switch to SN for an expedited referral than to choose a Waiting Child. Once logged in, I was told it did not matter…that we could choose to adopt a Waiting Child and we are waiting for our agencies referral. I am thinking it is different than switching to SN and asking China for the referral.
H
June 12th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
My agency was one that had said singles could not adopt from the WC lists and then rechecked with the CCAA and were told that they could. It is nice to be with an agency that doesn’t have a problem rechecking issues when they hear conflicting information.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Off topic, but interesting information. I post on an adoption board on Babyzone. We had a poster that is just starting to explore adoption. She did not name an agency, but when she inquired about China she was told to anticipate a 3 year wait.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Luck? My security word for the last post was MAMA. Since I am twice blessed I will pass this luck on to the next person to post :)
June 12th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
The people turned down were already LID in the SN program and had selected a child and submitted a LOI. They were turned down and the agency went to the next family who had asked about the child.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
This is my first time posting. I have been reading for a long time, but this post hits close to home for us.
We are LID 5-15-06 and just had our homestudy updated for a SN referral. Our agency (we are in Canada) doesn’t know if we will be grandfathered in under the old rules or if the new rules will apply to us if we receive a SN referral. Under the new rules, we don’t qualify as we have only been married 3 years, and my husband has a divorce in his history.
I am going crazy waiting to hear if anyone is being accepted or rejected who is in a similar situation. From what I am reading here, it’s still unclear what will happen. Has anyone heard of anyone in this situation who doesn’t qualify for the marriage requirement after May 1st.
The not knowing is sooooo hard!
June 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
RQ,
Have you heard anything about the anit depressant rule getting switched? I take Effexor and I wish I wouldn’t have put it on my dossier at all. I don’t need it to live. (Just easier to live with)LOL and WHO wouldn’t need it with this hideous wait???? My husband and I would love to go SN but can’t now because of this rule! : ( Thanks for any info-
Mkmel
LID 2-14-06
June 13th, 2007 at 8:33 am
mkmel-
My agency told me that I would NOT reviewed under the new rules for the SN LOI because I was logged in before the May 1st rules went into effect. I asked the question specifically because I am on Lexapro for the same reasons you are on them too. Makes things easier to handle.
Hope this helps!
tecgirl1969
LId 8-29-06
June 13th, 2007 at 8:57 am
Hi, I’m new here but could someone clarify for me…we want to go slightly older child and we’re ok with some special needs. Our large, China only agency, told me that there are no longer separate routes for SN vs. NSN. That now you go NSN and if you find a child on a WC list , you then submit your LOI and if approved, your dossier gets pulled to be reviewed. They said that China no longer matches SN children themselves, but that parents must chose them from an agency’s WC list and they apply for them. I don’t want to get put in a NSN category and then not be able to switch if we should find our little girl on a WC list. Thanks…Still Paper Chasing
June 13th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Anyone can choose a WC. We logged in NSN and are now on our agencies WC list. We are hoping to have a referral by the end of the year. Our agency refers WC instead of families choosing the child. I actually prefer it this way because I would not want to compete over a child and I don’t think I could handle choosing a child and then not being picked.
Good Luck to all.
*We would not qualify under the new regs because of a prior divorce. Our agency states that we will be reviewed under old regs since our LID is before May 1.
H
June 13th, 2007 at 9:32 am
CarolinaBlue, once you are with an agency you can only choose from the waiting children that this agency has on their list.
If I were going to consider going the waiting child route, I would contact every agency out there I was willing to work with and do whatever I needed to do in order to see their lists on the first showing of them.
I would not sign up with an agency until picking a child. I would construct as much of a dossier as possible ahead of time though, so that I could be DTC very close to the time I send in the LOI. You could assemble pretty much everything and do the brunt of the home study work ahead of time with your social worker. You could get your social worker to go ahead and do a home study for the purposes of an I-171H so you can go ahead and get started on that, since that takes the most time. All you’d need to do last minute would be getting your social worker to talk to the agency so the dossier version of the home study meets their requirements.
There are risks doing it this way since you may have to redo some things if it takes more than a year to find a child, but I think the greater risk would be signing up with an agency and then being stuck with one agency’s list when there are so many lists out there.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:01 am
I would vote as RQ suggested about SN.
That is exactly what we did. We got PA on Monday and will be DTC by the end of the month. We did have some changes to make the agency happy and the require tons of more “file” documents than our old one but whatever we have to do to get our girl we will do.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:21 pm
Hi RQ…I just wish I had talked to you before we started this process. When we started we had no idea how it all worked, only that our hearts were longing for a little girl from China. As we got further along, we then decided that we really wanted to adopt older/SN. Unfortunately, we’ve already signed a contract with the large, China only agency and paid a sizeable amount of money. I just have to trust that our little one will show up on their list and we’ll be chosen to adopt her. If we do this a second time, which we’re planning on, I will definitely take your counsel and go the route you suggested.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
This is most surprising news RE: Singles able to switch from NSN to SN. I am LID for NSN 23-Mar-06 and inquired about switching to my agency’s SN Waiting Child program in Oct. 2006 after doing the projected referral math. Initially I was told I could switch and was waiting until the next batch of WC files came in. The week before the files were due to arrive in Jan. 2007, I contacted the agency to let them know that I was still interested in making the switch if there was a child in the group that matched my list of SN’s. I was told that the CCAA had changed the rules around Nov-Dec. 2006 and it was no longer possible to switch from NSN to WC. I almost fell off my chair when I read your post last evening.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:51 am
Tecgirl,
Thanks for the info!! I hope maybe it will change soon…
MKmel
June 14th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Neecie (and others),
Like you, we don’t meet the length of marriage requirement, due to previous divorce. We’ve been married 4 years in a few days. We are LID 4/10 and sent in a LOI on 5/31 for a beautiful little girl. We got our PA on 6/7. Our agency doesn’t forsee any issues for us.