Comments on: A speed up - will it happen?

By: RumorQueen

RumorQueen — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:47:59 +0000

nle18901, I just did a post about the backlog:

http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/06/24/the-backlog/

Also, the consulate does not process orphans 200 days a year, I don’t think. They only do it on certain days of the week. They occasionally open up for more days when the schedule starts to get backlogged to much.

When we were there they easily did 60 orphans, probably more. And that was just for our appt. I don’t know how many appt times a day there are. I think there are at least two, as I know some people go early and some people go after lunch.

By: nle18901

nle18901 — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:43:05 +0000

One thing that is not being qualified in this whole mess is how many people are in line for a child?

We hear 2000-3000 applications were received in one month for Nov 05. Even if only 7500 children are adopted world wide down from a high of 9,000 a couple of years ago the L.I. dates and wait times are a function of increased demand assuming the supply is relatively constant or relatively so.

Also, I cannot imagine the US Consulate in Acton being able to handle more than they do now - 8500 children a year, assuming 200 days of processing a year = 42 children a day to have all the paper work processed.

By: mtmomma

mtmomma — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:39:22 +0000

Autumnp: I agree with you completely. This IS a political process whether we like it or not since it is run by a government agency. For that reason I think we will never know the whole truth, unfortunatley. I don’t believe for a moment that there is a shortage of children, just a shortage of paper-ready children. Big difference, but if the children are not paper-ready, there is nothing we can do!

I just hope that the process will speed up, for whatever reason, and these kids can get the parents they deserve. I think that would speak VOLUMES about China’s IA program, more than the supposed “lack of children” that they are touting. I don’t buy it.

Hope your wait is not too long!!

By: autumnp

autumnp — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:29:13 +0000

I really believe the slowdown is purely bureaucratic. The slwodown occured just after the CCAA re-organized and put the orphans under the control of the CCAA ( central gvmt) rather than just the provicial governments. This must have been a HUGE change of paperwork, training new people, hiring new people, computer changes (remember the changeover in Feb.?) and working out the kinks in a brand new and enourmous new system. This is the only explaination that makes sense. It explains why there has been so much silence on teh slowdown from China. Who wants to admit there are flaws in a new government program? There are more people than ever in China, the stigma of single motherhood is just as strong and women are more sexually active due to the economic upturn and migrantion to the cities to work. So the amount of abandoned infants cannot be dropping. People who are married can still only have one or two kids no matter how much money they make unless they grease some wheels or pay enornous fines. Those people were not the ones abandoning infants in the streets in the first place so they do not even count. Yes, the amount of kids being born with birth defects is on the rise due to pollution rising. So there are probably more of them being abandoned but probably many more that die soon after birth or due to the inability of the parents to pay for treatments for them. Another consequence of the good economic times in China is the rise of divorces. Kids are now being abandoned if they are the product of the first marriage more than ever. So there are many more older babies and children being dropped off at public places that are healthy but inconvinient.

By: Sherry in Vermont

Sherry in Vermont — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:50:43 +0000

Some of us may abhor abortion or infanticide, but it does mean one less child to grow up hungry or suffering in an orphanage, never getting a family. Isn’t that what we care about - preventing kids from suffering? To be terribly blunt - the dead babies aren’t suffering any more.

Bottom line: they are their own babies to do with as they wish.

It’s weird, adoption - the fact that our babies were abandoned by their families makes us able to love them… but if they were prevented or aborted, we would not have them.

And that really makes people upset.

By: sheila

sheila — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:38:09 +0000

fox news just had an article that 60 million girls are missing due to abortion and infanticide. i agree with this, i have many friends in china who have told me there are back alley ultra sounds people get to see the sex. also in northeren china women have begun to take fertility pills to have multiples. ttwins triplets are considered lucky and the goverment lets you keep them. another chinese friend just forced to have an abortion with 2nd pregnancy. bottom line. they are killing the babies.

By: 2qts4me

2qts4me — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:43:09 +0000

Our male Guide was in his 20’s. My dh was very surprised that he had siblings. He also told us that more boys will probably be available for adoption as some families in China who already have a son, maybe 2 and get pregnant again with another, will abandon them. This last lot of referrals did have alot of boy referrals compared to previous years.
From what I have learned about China its culture and people from my family, is not one size rule fits all, and you will NEVER really know what is happening or what the Government is doing. That is why alot of people have conflicting experiences in China as to what we are lead to believe is the norm.

By: cindy in AL

cindy in AL — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:05:21 +0000

One thing that should be remembered when talking about the one child policy is that is hasn’t been in effect that many years. Many middle aged people have siblings because they were born before the law of one child. Our guides all had siblings.

By: waitingforthirty

waitingforthirty — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:43:20 +0000

Question to RQ or anyone out there with info: Does anyone know where I can find out the numbers of LIDs in China after the May 1st changes? I have several years before I am eligible to adopt from china, and I’m curious to see how much of a drop there has been/will be. Thanks!!

By: bornfromtheheart

bornfromtheheart — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:03:54 +0000

A great thread, from a fantastic blog by our RQ which with the select, copy and print button, spells out the wait for the never ending questions which are so hard to answer for family and friends….. “Have you heard anything, Why is the wait taking so long?”
I am not going to comment on the reasons why I think or add otherwise to this thread, because it has already been said, and whether I like this or not… 3years has been heard through my ears blindfold.