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		<title>By: mstebby</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43245</link>
		<dc:creator>mstebby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RQ--thank you for doing what you do!!
I guess the main thing that make me upset in this, is that the agency we chose makes a statement in their literature and on their website about agencies that claim to have faster referrals:
"Our China process is faster than other agencies. 
Wrong. One of the best things about the China Center of Adoption Affairs is that it treats all agencies, big or small, equally in terms of the child match timeframe."

Note the part that says one of the best things about CCAA is that it treats all agencies, big or small, equally in terms of the child match timeframes. 
This was part of our decision choosing China in the first place. 
All of this makes me really sad. I don't think parents should loose referrals, they should loose some of the entitlement attitude. But all in all I feel let down by China. Maybe my agency was misinformed when they made this statement.
I think that after reading this statement (actually by several agencies)  we wouldn't have choosen the "golden agency" b/c we would have thought something was up and that they weren't telling the truth.
One question I have is in regard to people with the "G.A" paying more. I read in one spot as much as 3xs the amount of other agencies. That smacks of something not right IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RQ&#8211;thank you for doing what you do!!<br />
I guess the main thing that make me upset in this, is that the agency we chose makes a statement in their literature and on their website about agencies that claim to have faster referrals:<br />
&#8220;Our China process is faster than other agencies.<br />
Wrong. One of the best things about the China Center of Adoption Affairs is that it treats all agencies, big or small, equally in terms of the child match timeframe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note the part that says one of the best things about CCAA is that it treats all agencies, big or small, equally in terms of the child match timeframes.<br />
This was part of our decision choosing China in the first place.<br />
All of this makes me really sad. I don&#8217;t think parents should loose referrals, they should loose some of the entitlement attitude. But all in all I feel let down by China. Maybe my agency was misinformed when they made this statement.<br />
I think that after reading this statement (actually by several agencies)  we wouldn&#8217;t have choosen the &#8220;golden agency&#8221; b/c we would have thought something was up and that they weren&#8217;t telling the truth.<br />
One question I have is in regard to people with the &#8220;G.A&#8221; paying more. I read in one spot as much as 3xs the amount of other agencies. That smacks of something not right IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Bliss</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43144</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RQ - yes, I misunderstood about the US and Haag. 

In my country agencies aren't "state owned" either, but they are very, very careful to stick to the rules (almost too careful, in my opinion) and not to jeapodize their relationship to the CCAA. And they are non-profit organizations, which I believe is the only way to do it. In other word, bribing for earlier referrals just could never happen. And us clients paying more to get prefered treatment neither. But I'm in a very small country as well, with the whole country recieving about as much referrals as the spoken of agency or even less per month. So, of course it is disturbing.

But nonetheless, I agree with those saying that the CCAA has the full right to do as they like. And I certainly do agree that "fair" is a rather abstract and very relative word. It is not fair that we in western countries lead the good life we do, compared to Africa and much of Asia, for example, either. It is not fair that the chinese birth mother are not allowed/able to to keep their children. In that context what happened here is just not even worth mentioning it. Life on this earth is unfair (if fair means "the same for every one"), has always been and will always be. Fair being "the same for every one" would be communismns parole, and I think we all have an opinion about how well that works, history has shown that clear enough. No - "fair" is really not the word to use here!

That said, I agree as well that the CCAA either should do it one way (referrals not according to a "line") or the other (in line) and stick to it - or at least say that they roughly follow the line and exceptions do happen. Then everyone has to be prepared for them. I also agree that referrals should be sent as far as they have been matched, whole LIDs covered or not, and even if some matchers are month ahead others. I would regard that as fair. The only thing that stinks in this case is the secrecy about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RQ - yes, I misunderstood about the US and Haag. </p>
<p>In my country agencies aren&#8217;t &#8220;state owned&#8221; either, but they are very, very careful to stick to the rules (almost too careful, in my opinion) and not to jeapodize their relationship to the CCAA. And they are non-profit organizations, which I believe is the only way to do it. In other word, bribing for earlier referrals just could never happen. And us clients paying more to get prefered treatment neither. But I&#8217;m in a very small country as well, with the whole country recieving about as much referrals as the spoken of agency or even less per month. So, of course it is disturbing.</p>
<p>But nonetheless, I agree with those saying that the CCAA has the full right to do as they like. And I certainly do agree that &#8220;fair&#8221; is a rather abstract and very relative word. It is not fair that we in western countries lead the good life we do, compared to Africa and much of Asia, for example, either. It is not fair that the chinese birth mother are not allowed/able to to keep their children. In that context what happened here is just not even worth mentioning it. Life on this earth is unfair (if fair means &#8220;the same for every one&#8221;), has always been and will always be. Fair being &#8220;the same for every one&#8221; would be communismns parole, and I think we all have an opinion about how well that works, history has shown that clear enough. No - &#8220;fair&#8221; is really not the word to use here!</p>
<p>That said, I agree as well that the CCAA either should do it one way (referrals not according to a &#8220;line&#8221;) or the other (in line) and stick to it - or at least say that they roughly follow the line and exceptions do happen. Then everyone has to be prepared for them. I also agree that referrals should be sent as far as they have been matched, whole LIDs covered or not, and even if some matchers are month ahead others. I would regard that as fair. The only thing that stinks in this case is the secrecy about it.</p>
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		<title>By: mom222b</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43116</link>
		<dc:creator>mom222b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my agency called today and said we have a referral for you - one of my first questions after coming to, would have to be how did this happen followed by what about the people who were logged in before me? By accepting the referral I would basically be saying the hell with everyone else. Granted I don't know anyone on this board on a personal level but I have to believe those who are in front of me have experienced the frustration and utter sadness that I have during this process. One way to look at it is "well I just got lucky and I didn't ask for this so it's not really wrong". I still think I wouldn't be able to do it - at some point my selfishness would come back to bite me. This is just my opinion and not a response to those who feel otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my agency called today and said we have a referral for you - one of my first questions after coming to, would have to be how did this happen followed by what about the people who were logged in before me? By accepting the referral I would basically be saying the hell with everyone else. Granted I don&#8217;t know anyone on this board on a personal level but I have to believe those who are in front of me have experienced the frustration and utter sadness that I have during this process. One way to look at it is &#8220;well I just got lucky and I didn&#8217;t ask for this so it&#8217;s not really wrong&#8221;. I still think I wouldn&#8217;t be able to do it - at some point my selfishness would come back to bite me. This is just my opinion and not a response to those who feel otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: emory2001</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43104</link>
		<dc:creator>emory2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>asiwait says: "Do you really think that you would not be suspicious if out of the blue your agency calls you with an early referralâ€¦and wouldnâ€™t you want to know why, adn wouldnâ€™t you want to scream it from the rooftops?"

If my agency called with my referral "out of the blue," I would ask questions but probably chalk it up to a CCAA leak/mistake like the Spain-December thing we heard about, because no one has led me to believe I am getting any special favors and I have not paid anyone for favors. I would make sure no one was holding me to confidentiality (and if they tried, I would be asking a lot more questions). Then I would take the referral and scream from the rooftops. 

Reading between the lines a little, my understanding is that clients of the Mystery Agency knew they could get referrals ahead of everyone else. I am still undecided on the question or corruption or unethical adoption in that case - in part because we don't actually know if more money was paid for jumping the line. I still don't feel bad if they now have to wait like the rest of us. I'm just glad I'm not in that situation, for better or for worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>asiwait says: &#8220;Do you really think that you would not be suspicious if out of the blue your agency calls you with an early referralâ€¦and wouldnâ€™t you want to know why, adn wouldnâ€™t you want to scream it from the rooftops?&#8221;</p>
<p>If my agency called with my referral &#8220;out of the blue,&#8221; I would ask questions but probably chalk it up to a CCAA leak/mistake like the Spain-December thing we heard about, because no one has led me to believe I am getting any special favors and I have not paid anyone for favors. I would make sure no one was holding me to confidentiality (and if they tried, I would be asking a lot more questions). Then I would take the referral and scream from the rooftops. </p>
<p>Reading between the lines a little, my understanding is that clients of the Mystery Agency knew they could get referrals ahead of everyone else. I am still undecided on the question or corruption or unethical adoption in that case - in part because we don&#8217;t actually know if more money was paid for jumping the line. I still don&#8217;t feel bad if they now have to wait like the rest of us. I&#8217;m just glad I&#8217;m not in that situation, for better or for worse.</p>
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		<title>By: ourbrooke</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43068</link>
		<dc:creator>ourbrooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to remember this is a communist country and they can do whatever they want.  To ask China to admit to anything and lose face is not smart.

It is only on U.S. side that we can make a difference and I believe the damage has been done to this agency.    I think by bringing this too light and having the folks who have been benefiting from this very upset is telling.

I see only 2 choices, tell your agency and they will hopefully work behind the scenes to create a level playing field and also as RQ suggests going to Accrediation.  Everything else is a waste of time and will only anger China.  This program is made available at their pleasure.  

Regarding the waiting families of this agency...Their fate is not in our hands.  We have no say in them getting earlier referrals or moving into our line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to remember this is a communist country and they can do whatever they want.  To ask China to admit to anything and lose face is not smart.</p>
<p>It is only on U.S. side that we can make a difference and I believe the damage has been done to this agency.    I think by bringing this too light and having the folks who have been benefiting from this very upset is telling.</p>
<p>I see only 2 choices, tell your agency and they will hopefully work behind the scenes to create a level playing field and also as RQ suggests going to Accrediation.  Everything else is a waste of time and will only anger China.  This program is made available at their pleasure.  </p>
<p>Regarding the waiting families of this agency&#8230;Their fate is not in our hands.  We have no say in them getting earlier referrals or moving into our line.</p>
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		<title>By: goingtochina08</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43065</link>
		<dc:creator>goingtochina08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's to hearing some rumors tomorrow! NOB! Heh. I haven't said that in so long. I got used to them only getting 3-7 days batches and their was never any chance of them getting to the end of them month (unless they were almost done with the month - like now). Say it with me: "NOB!!!!" :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s to hearing some rumors tomorrow! NOB! Heh. I haven&#8217;t said that in so long. I got used to them only getting 3-7 days batches and their was never any chance of them getting to the end of them month (unless they were almost done with the month - like now). Say it with me: &#8220;NOB!!!!&#8221; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: aust2china</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43057</link>
		<dc:creator>aust2china</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a debarkle! Thank goodness here in Australia we have no choice of Agency!!!

Regardless how people have received their referrals, it would be devasting to retract them.

I hope that everyone's minds are put at ease soon, regarding the allocation of referrals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a debarkle! Thank goodness here in Australia we have no choice of Agency!!!</p>
<p>Regardless how people have received their referrals, it would be devasting to retract them.</p>
<p>I hope that everyone&#8217;s minds are put at ease soon, regarding the allocation of referrals.</p>
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		<title>By: firewens</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43056</link>
		<dc:creator>firewens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>magpiesmom- Thank you for posting that link.  I think everyone needs to take a moment to read that.  

DragonMom- I agree, let's get some rumors going.

Wendy
LID 12/27/05</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>magpiesmom- Thank you for posting that link.  I think everyone needs to take a moment to read that.  </p>
<p>DragonMom- I agree, let&#8217;s get some rumors going.</p>
<p>Wendy<br />
LID 12/27/05</p>
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		<title>By: DragonMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>DragonMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 11/30 Lidder, my wish on the full moon tonite, is that this topic won't be top of the RQ blog tommorrow.

Here's hoping for some rumors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 11/30 Lidder, my wish on the full moon tonite, is that this topic won&#8217;t be top of the RQ blog tommorrow.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping for some rumors.</p>
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		<title>By: hlc</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/09/26/what-to-do/#comment-43054</link>
		<dc:creator>hlc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>asiwait,
In my early LID days (before I found RQ and learned about how the review and matching process worked), but after I heard that the wait had gone up to about 10 months!, I had a little fantasy.  I dreamed ourdossier had fallen to the floor and opened up.  One of the CCAA workers casually looked at the document and thought they had the perfect baby for us, so they moved us to the front of the line. (By the way, in my fantasy, everyone in our travel group was also moved.)  Fair?  Absolutely not!! Likely?  Even more not.  If it had happened, would I have felt guilty?  Yup!  Would I have refused the referral because of others?  No way!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>asiwait,<br />
In my early LID days (before I found RQ and learned about how the review and matching process worked), but after I heard that the wait had gone up to about 10 months!, I had a little fantasy.  I dreamed ourdossier had fallen to the floor and opened up.  One of the CCAA workers casually looked at the document and thought they had the perfect baby for us, so they moved us to the front of the line. (By the way, in my fantasy, everyone in our travel group was also moved.)  Fair?  Absolutely not!! Likely?  Even more not.  If it had happened, would I have felt guilty?  Yup!  Would I have refused the referral because of others?  No way!!!</p>
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