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		<title>By: mjdarellano</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44758</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one have started an interim adoption in Colombia.  My agency told me that China would have no way of finding out about it.  So my guess is that they won't be telling the CCAA about it.  My only problem is that I'm having to change the I-171H instead of applying for a new one (Colombia doesn't like concurrent adoptions).  So theoretically we would have to update our homestudy at that time which would show that we have an extra child since our dossier was logged in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one have started an interim adoption in Colombia.  My agency told me that China would have no way of finding out about it.  So my guess is that they won&#8217;t be telling the CCAA about it.  My only problem is that I&#8217;m having to change the I-171H instead of applying for a new one (Colombia doesn&#8217;t like concurrent adoptions).  So theoretically we would have to update our homestudy at that time which would show that we have an extra child since our dossier was logged in.</p>
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		<title>By: AmyNicole</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44754</link>
		<dc:creator>AmyNicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most waiting China PAPs fall into one of two opinions on this topic:

1. PAPs that would like a "ruling" on the topic of interim adoptions. This would include those that are considering an interim adoption but don't want to take the risk until they have CCAA endorsement,  and those that are being told they can't do an interim adoption (by their agency) but would do one if their agency allowed it.

2. PAPs that do not want to push the issue - those that currently have an interim adoption underway and their agency is aware and supportive of it.

What might we stand to gain and what might we stand to lose if we petition for an answer? 

On the Gain side: If CCAA were to  answer definitively that they allow concurrent adoptions(with whatever conditions like 1 year between placement), then everyone would win... people in process would have peace of mind. Those currently on the fence could move confidently forward with starting an interim adoption. Agencies that aren't letting their families pursue an interim adoption would likely have to change their policy. More babies might find more families since people that might not have otherwise adopted from a country other than China might then choose to do so... people would be a little more in control of their families and how and when they choose to grow them. 

On the lose side: there is the real risk of great loss to those currently in process as well as those considering an interim adoption if CCAA says this is not allowed. The best scenario in this case would be that CCAA might say "No more interim adoptions, starting now, but families in process are exempt this one time."  Families in process would be OK in this case, but those that were on the fence would then not have that option going forward. Worse yet, what if the answer is no, and CCAA *doesn't* grandfather in those that already have in-process adoptions? That would be heartbreaking for families that have invested their hearts, minds (and money) on finalizing both adoptions. 

My personal opinion on the topic of interim adoptions is that China should allow them, as long as the current guidelines for timeframe between placements, etc. are met. I don't think the fact of adopting from another country (taken on it's own) is a valid reason for forcing a family to pull their China dossier - it's tantamount to inflicting China's own family-planning policies on the international community and it conflicts with the fact that they currently allow people with other children in the family to adopt. With the current wait times it is entirely possible that someone with a mid-2007 log in might have 4-5 years to wait. That is plenty of time to complete an adoption from another country and still have anywhere from 2-4 years until the China adoption is finalized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most waiting China PAPs fall into one of two opinions on this topic:</p>
<p>1. PAPs that would like a &#8220;ruling&#8221; on the topic of interim adoptions. This would include those that are considering an interim adoption but don&#8217;t want to take the risk until they have CCAA endorsement,  and those that are being told they can&#8217;t do an interim adoption (by their agency) but would do one if their agency allowed it.</p>
<p>2. PAPs that do not want to push the issue - those that currently have an interim adoption underway and their agency is aware and supportive of it.</p>
<p>What might we stand to gain and what might we stand to lose if we petition for an answer? </p>
<p>On the Gain side: If CCAA were to  answer definitively that they allow concurrent adoptions(with whatever conditions like 1 year between placement), then everyone would win&#8230; people in process would have peace of mind. Those currently on the fence could move confidently forward with starting an interim adoption. Agencies that aren&#8217;t letting their families pursue an interim adoption would likely have to change their policy. More babies might find more families since people that might not have otherwise adopted from a country other than China might then choose to do so&#8230; people would be a little more in control of their families and how and when they choose to grow them. </p>
<p>On the lose side: there is the real risk of great loss to those currently in process as well as those considering an interim adoption if CCAA says this is not allowed. The best scenario in this case would be that CCAA might say &#8220;No more interim adoptions, starting now, but families in process are exempt this one time.&#8221;  Families in process would be OK in this case, but those that were on the fence would then not have that option going forward. Worse yet, what if the answer is no, and CCAA *doesn&#8217;t* grandfather in those that already have in-process adoptions? That would be heartbreaking for families that have invested their hearts, minds (and money) on finalizing both adoptions. </p>
<p>My personal opinion on the topic of interim adoptions is that China should allow them, as long as the current guidelines for timeframe between placements, etc. are met. I don&#8217;t think the fact of adopting from another country (taken on it&#8217;s own) is a valid reason for forcing a family to pull their China dossier - it&#8217;s tantamount to inflicting China&#8217;s own family-planning policies on the international community and it conflicts with the fact that they currently allow people with other children in the family to adopt. With the current wait times it is entirely possible that someone with a mid-2007 log in might have 4-5 years to wait. That is plenty of time to complete an adoption from another country and still have anywhere from 2-4 years until the China adoption is finalized.</p>
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		<title>By: RumorQueen</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44753</link>
		<dc:creator>RumorQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes china dad, they did. But, they still qualified based on China's rules, they did not go over the number allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes china dad, they did. But, they still qualified based on China&#8217;s rules, they did not go over the number allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: china dad 1</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44752</link>
		<dc:creator>china dad 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RQ,

Was the family denined a child already have a large family ?.  I could see (dont agree) a personal bias on a part of the eualuator if they were a large family already.</description>
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<p>Was the family denined a child already have a large family ?.  I could see (dont agree) a personal bias on a part of the eualuator if they were a large family already.</p>
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		<title>By: Modi74</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44751</link>
		<dc:creator>Modi74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone considering an interim adoption with a spring 07 LID, I would love some clarification.  

If we proceed, weâ€™ll spend thousands of dollars towards what we assume are adoption costs of one of the two children we believe we are adding to our family and would be doing so with the complete support fo our social worker and China agency and agency for the country we are considering.  Adoption costs are not easy for us (or most) to come up with.  We will do so at the expense of other life needs.  We also limit our agency choices drastically to ones who allow interim adoptions.  

If it isnâ€™t really â€œallowedâ€, and that information doesn't trickle down to us for another 6 months or 12 months or even 3-4 years, then weâ€™d have done both for no reason at all.  I'd much rather know this now than after I've paid the fees and done the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone considering an interim adoption with a spring 07 LID, I would love some clarification.  </p>
<p>If we proceed, weâ€™ll spend thousands of dollars towards what we assume are adoption costs of one of the two children we believe we are adding to our family and would be doing so with the complete support fo our social worker and China agency and agency for the country we are considering.  Adoption costs are not easy for us (or most) to come up with.  We will do so at the expense of other life needs.  We also limit our agency choices drastically to ones who allow interim adoptions.  </p>
<p>If it isnâ€™t really â€œallowedâ€, and that information doesn&#8217;t trickle down to us for another 6 months or 12 months or even 3-4 years, then weâ€™d have done both for no reason at all.  I&#8217;d much rather know this now than after I&#8217;ve paid the fees and done the work.</p>
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		<title>By: RumorQueen</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44747</link>
		<dc:creator>RumorQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also add that there is a thread in the forum where it looks like most people want a definitive answer. I just don't know if they want one bad enough to actually ask for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add that there is a thread in the forum where it looks like most people want a definitive answer. I just don&#8217;t know if they want one bad enough to actually ask for it.</p>
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		<title>By: RumorQueen</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44746</link>
		<dc:creator>RumorQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chinasyndrome - I agree. But, as a no-longer-waiting-parent, I don't really think I have a say in whether this is what the adoption community wants to do or not. 

If the adoption community in general thinks this is a good idea then I can get us organized to do that. But, if not, then I don't want to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chinasyndrome - I agree. But, as a no-longer-waiting-parent, I don&#8217;t really think I have a say in whether this is what the adoption community wants to do or not. </p>
<p>If the adoption community in general thinks this is a good idea then I can get us organized to do that. But, if not, then I don&#8217;t want to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: chinasyndrome</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44743</link>
		<dc:creator>chinasyndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes RQ -- DH and I have had more than our share of conversations with some of these people.  What the State Department (Office for Children's Issues) needs to hear is that they have a pervasive problem with what exactly the rules  - procedures - guidelines - policies - restrictions - etc. are for people in China IA.  And they need to come to grips with the shear number of American families caught up in this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes RQ &#8212; DH and I have had more than our share of conversations with some of these people.  What the State Department (Office for Children&#8217;s Issues) needs to hear is that they have a pervasive problem with what exactly the rules  - procedures - guidelines - policies - restrictions - etc. are for people in China IA.  And they need to come to grips with the shear number of American families caught up in this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouswait</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44742</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymouswait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU China Syndrome. You gave us all solid contact information that I will be saving in my adoption folder. Definitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU China Syndrome. You gave us all solid contact information that I will be saving in my adoption folder. Definitely.</p>
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		<title>By: kingbolete</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2007/10/17/following-up/#comment-44741</link>
		<dc:creator>kingbolete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now remember my agency telling me that no matter how smoothly IA is running there is always a chance for unpredictability, and nothing was  100%  sure.  we were also hoping to grow our family while we wait, but not at the risk of being kicked out of the program or endangering  it for others.  We will just wait and see since we can't have it all.:(    P.S. I really like the idea of private adoption agencies for better or worse. We shouldn't all have to suffer, I was so envious of people who got to do interim family building but they should not be penalized , we all pick our agencies for different reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now remember my agency telling me that no matter how smoothly IA is running there is always a chance for unpredictability, and nothing was  100%  sure.  we were also hoping to grow our family while we wait, but not at the risk of being kicked out of the program or endangering  it for others.  We will just wait and see since we can&#8217;t have it all.:(    P.S. I really like the idea of private adoption agencies for better or worse. We shouldn&#8217;t all have to suffer, I was so envious of people who got to do interim family building but they should not be penalized , we all pick our agencies for different reasons.</p>
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