No more box
Instead of more communication, it looks like waiting parents are about to get less communication from the CCAA.
When I read it, I inadvertently taught GlitterGirl a phrase I’d just as soon she not heard. It just popped out of my mouth, and I’m usually better at censoring myself than that. But, I read it and “That Bites” just popped out.
What does this mean? The agencies will have a “top secret” box that they can choose to tell us about, or not, at their whim? Or, the agencies will know the status of their clients but not the overall status?
What reason could there be for taking down the public box? Other than to stop giving the media an “official” notice of where the CCAA is with referrals? I don’t know, but I appear to be in a rather cynical mood, so perhaps I should stop guessing for now.
I’ll say it again: That Bites.
January 9th, 2008 at 8:27 am
That bites! That about sums it up for me, too…
January 9th, 2008 at 8:32 am
I was thinking that sucks when I saw it. I guess that is along the same lines as that bites.
I am comfortable with my agency and have a social worker who does a good job in updating us, but for those of you whoe hear NOTHING from your agency. You will be completely in the dark with the info. Sad.
January 9th, 2008 at 8:36 am
That bites kinda sums it up in a relatively PG fashion.
Tracy
1-12-06 LID for Georgia Grace or David Raymond
January 9th, 2008 at 8:40 am
I have something more than, “that bites!”
I really don’t understand the need for all of the secrecy! CCAA has stated time and again that their reason for the slowdown is there are fewer abandonments and more children are being adopted domestically.
OK.
If this is true, then why the need for increased secrecy?
Could this be a sign that the CCAA is going to quit issuing referrals across the board– to all adopting countries– all agencies– through a stated LID?
Now I’m concerned that with a 12/20/05 LID we may not be next. Maybe this is a sign that the CCAA will begin splitting up the referrals.
Last month I heard about referrals and the cutoff date from this site and the adoption list serves before my agency even knew what was going on. They were still emailing that they were expecting a package from China when several others had already reported that the 19th was the cutoff.
My heart truly goes out to everyone waiting. It seems that the China IA program is taking all kinds of turns filled with unknowns.
January 9th, 2008 at 8:42 am
I don’t post often, but I can only imagine what is going to happen next. With a LID of 5/12/06…….I am honestly scared!
January 9th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Why would they do this?!? I share everyone else’s thoughts. I’d like to get some input from agencies as to why the CCAA may have taken the update box away before I begin to speculate about the worst…
January 9th, 2008 at 8:57 am
I think that China is going to stop the program. I am very worried about all of us that are logged in. Do they want us to drop out or what? We all have so much time, energy, love and money invested in this program. I still think agencies need to stop sending dossiers to China, until some type of resolution is reached. Families are being given hope and this wait may cause them to not be able to even adopt because of age or wait. I don’t want others to go thru what we are going thru.
LID: April 11, 2006
January 9th, 2008 at 9:06 am
OK - here’s another scenario to consider. What if the CCAA is merely trying to make a bit of money by not handing out the information for free. Entirely possible that’s all there is too it. It stinks we have to get info through the agencies, but there are agencies out there who provide timely information, and we are able to provide it to each other upon receipt, so it’s entirely possible this won’t change much. I emailed my agency, I’m curious to see what they think and how they will provide info. They’re usually pretty good about it.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Uh, “ARE YOU FREAKIN’ KIDDING ME?” would be my quote today! What the heck are they trying to do to the international chinese adoption community?? That’s CRAZY!
January 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am
All that CCAA have done is announce the removal of the information box. That’s it. To us the box was important because it was the only direct source of information from the CCAA we had. But no more than that. It didn’t give us any backgrounds, explanations or forecasts.
Removal of a box from a website doesn’t mean that an adoption program will be stopped. It doesn’t mean that it will not be stopped. It just means nothing else than that the box will be removed.
And why is the box removed? I don’t know, of course. But in the forum and reactions I sometimes feel a tendency to project our ideas about how a society or an organisation should behave, our ‘values’ so to speak, to foreign societies and organisations. In China, things are very different, and providing information and justifying actions to th epublic are not always as we would like it to be. I would suggest to consider that as different, not better or worse.
Yes, I am a down-to-earth kinda guy.
But oh dear, it is frustrating and scary!
(LID 27 March 2006)
January 9th, 2008 at 9:15 am
The CCAA did not up-dat that box anymore before we know the cut-of date, so is there a real difference? (hmm, does not sound right in English, sorry).
But let stay positive! We will get our referral!!! I know we will (just my thought, not a fact or rumor!). They can not shut the program down, can they? CAN THEY???
journeytogia, we have the same LID!! Where’re you from?
LID: may 12-2006
January 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am
When the CCAA officially posted on their website about SNs going online Jan 1st 2008 and asking agencies to join their Work System, they had mentionned that this was gonna happen. I had posted this and nobody reacted then …
Voilà :
Online Operational System Formally Initiated
Date of Post : December 03, 2007 　　Source : CCAA
Since August 9, 2007 when China Center of Adoption Affairs (CCAA) issued the notice about applying for the use of Online Operational System, many government departments and adoption agencies which have been co-operating with CCAA have submitted their applications. Now the first stage of accepting and processing the applications has been concluded. From December 10, 2007, the Online Operational System will enter into formal use. On the occasion special need children entrustment will be performed through the internet gradually.
In the future, if any government departments and adoption agencies which have been co-operating with CCAA would like to use this system, please submit the application in written form. In principle only services of working mailbox and information feedback are accessible to these applicants. We will process the applications within one month after receiving them.
IMPORTANT PART : From January 1, 2008, information in reference to the working process will be posted on the Internet Operational System.
Ray.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Sorry, it was Dec. 10th the official launch …
Ray.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Wow….even less information from the CCAA. I didn’t think that was possible. One thing we know for sure, this was a well thought out and intentional move.
Let’s consider the possibility of partial LID referral? Is this a bad thing? I don’t particularly think it is. As long as the CCAA continues to refer in the order of LID then I welcome them to send as many referrals every month as they possibly can.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:25 am
I think (hope) we’re all reading too much into this. I thought I had heard that CCAA was revamping its system to be more computerized with the agencies. Oh, it was on their website, news about staff being trained on the new computerized system. So maybe this is just part of that, their website being reworked as well.
I think the important thing to remember is that we are going through agencies for a reason. We are paying them to handle our cases, and that includes keeping us informed and answering our questions. I can tell you that my agency is there anytime I need them, to answer questions, etc. We get monthly updates, call in sessions, and access to the China team (by phone or email) anytime we need them. All agencies should be doing this.
If people are concerned about the changes to CCAA’s website, call your agency and find out what they will be doing to compensate for it. Use the services that are available to you.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:27 am
This sure screws those people who have facilitators with no contact with CCAA.
To me, it looks like CCAA will be working more with certain agencies to supply info and those with little or no contacts will be left guessing.
I also agree that it is time for agencies to stop accepting new clients… unless they can guarantee that they will still be in business 10 years from now to complete their contracts!
Too many people are still receiving money from vulnerable people.
Shame on them :(
January 9th, 2008 at 9:28 am
For us in the UK this is particularly scary!! We don’t have an agency, we have a very reluctant govt dept, that won’t have signed up for the CCAA Work System!! We have to get our info ourselves from the internet bu then we get criticised by our social workers for relying on ‘rumours’ but that’s all we have!!!! Aaaaargh!!!!!
Gertiesquidge
LID 16th August 2007
http://offtochinaoneday.blogspot.com/
January 9th, 2008 at 9:39 am
or……….without knowledge shared with the general public
They can do whatever they please, with no one to question them
surely the scared agencies dare not.
what’s to say they don’t skip people all over the place, who’d know??
I personally don’t trust ANY agency to speak the truth.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:44 am
This stinks. Trust me I’m using more colorful language while I type this.
Stupid to remove the box.
I’m going to take my cynical self & try to work.
Lisa.
LID: 12.20.06
January 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am
It wasn’t that long ago that there was no box. There wasn’t a box three years ago when adopted our DD.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am
This means we will all have to hold our agencies’ feet to the fire now more than ever in order to get anything resembling the truth about what’s going on. This is a particularly cruel turn of events for people with agencies that are good at intimidating their clients and playing fast and loose with information.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Yes, I remember it being discussed that eventually the CCAA will have an agency only site that will have the updates posted. I’ve been expecting it because this is actually something they did communicate about. Imagine that!
Vanessa
January 9th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Are you kidding! The agencies will never stop accepting applications for China. It is money in their pockets.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Maybe it’s just temporary.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Our agency told me yesterday that there was a rumor that the program might close.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:00 am
I’m sorry everyone, I know how much that box meant to me while I was waiting.
I wonder if all the parents checking it constantly was using up their bandwidth? I’d hate to think they’d take it away as punishment for all the APs but maybe as a money saving move for their work system.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:10 am
sort of like taking the cane from a blind man, I hope , if they are going compleatly on line, that they don’t start having system crashes, I’ve seen enought companies go thru some truly nightmarish challenges with new sytstems.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Scandwaiting,
“Close” to new applicants OR “close” to everyone (including those waiting) ???
Ray.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:13 am
The only things I can think of is that they were going to take it down last year and never did, so we ended up with a years worth of ‘extra’ info.
I think this would allow them to match partial days, like in this month’s case, maybe they had enough to match part of the 20th but not all, this way they don’t have to state an exact date.
Also, this might allow them to ‘go out of order’ maybe take care of smaller agencies and get them out of the way, like they did with the ‘golden agency’.
???
January 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am
All I can say is - thank goodness for this site. I am sure my agency gets information on the cut off and other things as they participate in the electronic system, but they have never announced the cut off to waiting parents except in the rare cases where it missed a LID group by one day.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:15 am
To new applicants.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:19 am
P.S. RQ - I am one of those moms who doesn’t even like the sound of stupid, shut-up or idiot used in our house…When my son was 3 we were playing “Trouble” and whenever he didn’t roll a 6 he would say “D$$$ It” (to our horror)!!
My husband still wonders where he got that from… ;) even the best moms slip up once in awhile.
I think that “?That Bites” is better than what I taught my son!!!
January 9th, 2008 at 10:24 am
My agency said the info would be provided in the monthly updates. That doesn’t really help with the review room updates, since they happen any time of the month, but I guess that doesn’t matter all that much. It’s probably not that big a deal, since we get so much info from this site, but it does bite.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Well, regardless of the intent a while back to shut down this box, I see this is another step to shutting down communications in anticipation of the Olympics. They want to make sure that all is quiet on the western front, so to speak, for months before the Olympics. Afterwards? Whether they put it back up or not is anyone’s guess. I am betting they don’t.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Hopefully we will be still able to piece together what is going on from all of us having access to different agencies. I am going to email my agency and ask them specifically to keep me informed on what they know. We’ll see. :)
January 9th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Am I the only one who is just plain sad that after two years of checking the box, we will never see OUR LID in it? It was another little milestone that I was looking forward to-as if somehow after ‘the call’ and ‘the picture’, seeing our LID in that box would make it all seem more real. I think I may photoshop one for the scrapbook just for kicks… ;o)
January 9th, 2008 at 10:40 am
RQ Why don’t you do your own box?
January 9th, 2008 at 10:47 am
My husband said something was going to change in January and he didn’t know it was for the good or bad but he had a feeling something was changing. Maybe our agencies will keep us informed. Someone needs to.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am
…..I have said it before on the site…..don’t tick off the CCAA…they are reading this site and others….the rumors and speculation was too much…every month too much dialogue….See the CCAA comes up with their own solution on how to handle rumors…turning off the “box” is just one way….
January 9th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Mumarlene, that’s an interesting thought. But we usually know the cutoff before they put it on the box anyway, it’s just always nice to see it officially.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:57 am
This is just a thought. I believe that the Olympics has something to do with the slowdown in referrals. China does not want to be perceived as the “baby exporters” to the world, particularly during their moment of glory- the Olympics. The Chinese government does not want any “bad” press to spoil this moment. So perhaps by keeping adoption information out of the sight of the press, things might actually speed up. Just a thought, a hopeful one at that.
Best wishes.
Vicki
LID 7/28/06 for daughter #2
January 9th, 2008 at 11:03 am
I think Calamity4e has maybe hit something in her/his comment. Maybe referrals will be changing so that they don’t follow LID’s. Maybe something else is up and this is the start of it. (or maybe not, but hey, this is where we come to speculate.)
I’m pretty sure they got rid of it though because the delay is getting too long and they don’t want to advertise that. Sure, the info is available elswhere (here), but not everyone knows about here.
January 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Sad that this creates a more “unknowable” situation…
This puts even more power in the hands of the agencies, and as one that doesn’t have a good agency, I don’t see this as good at all!
It does open up a whole mess of questions as to if procedure is going to change in China.
I don’t see anything “good” coming out of this change. It may turn out to mean nothing at all, but there’s no positive from less information!
January 9th, 2008 at 11:15 am
I am sad about the removal of the box… I feel lucky to have a copy of what it looked like when our LID made it through review…. and I am going to put it in our baby’s scrapbook. Too bad I won’t be able to put the “referral box” in it too.
Of course, when we get our referral, we’ll be too estatic to care, probably! (Not sure when that will be, which is sad, given our LID)
Tracy
LID 1-12-06
http://dayadopt.blogsome.com
January 9th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I beleive some agencies have no more info than we find here on RQ. “Special Relationships”…whatever. Agencies need to own up to the fact that they know nothing until right before we need to. In regard to the box being removed, my opinion is that this allows CCAA to go out of order with referrals and only do partial days. Now that the box is officially gone, I’m even more thankful to this site than I was previously. I would be so sad and feeling alone right now w/o it!
January 9th, 2008 at 11:26 am
This makes things harder for poor RQ!
January 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
How many thousands of people logged onto the CCAA website only to look at the box? Perhaps they removed the box to lower traffic on their site.
Or perhaps they didn’t want the escalating wait time to be tracked so easily.
It’s silly and insensitive on their part, but hardly out of character.
January 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
3Xwait…..
…..that’s exactly what I mean…..we were speculating dates and cut off points…CCAA wants full control…as they post…we were either happy or disappointed and then we spent an entire month talking about it…they want the “rumors” to be lessened on their front, and more uneasiness created with less knowledge..and of course we are having to go more and more to our agencies for information….
January 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I’m more concerned about the Review Room status than anything. We can always ascertain the referral cut off as soon as referrals arrive (assuming they continue to refer according to LID). But will we ever truly know who is out of Review? I hope agencies will be able to obtain that information and be open about sharing with us.
January 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Although I am not happy about the removal of the box, I really like the idea of RQ developing a box. I think so long as all of share information that we gather, this might not be as horrible as we thought it would be. I agree it does bite…and it will be more of a challenge to know what is going on..but people still talk…so I am hoping this means we will still know what is happenning…lets hope..
January 9th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I am sure the CCAA had a very specific reason for removing the box.
Is it to go “out of order” with referrals? Is it to decrease the amount of info that is out there, or limit it to agencies and clients only?
Maybe…but we’ll soon see. If people start posting referrals saying “our LID is July of 06!!!” or people who fit the new rules are getting referrals ahead of those who were allegedly “grandfathered in”…we’ll know what is up.
The only thing that is crystal clear is this: we need the RQ site more than ever now, it’s the only thing keeping us informed about the process.
PS all my conjectures are simply WAGs…no need for anyone to panic, yet.
January 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Mumarlene, it seems like getting rid of the box creates more rumors, not less. Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re saying?
Amycate…in my first two adoptions (without the box), we never knew whether or not we were through review. We only vaguely even knew what review was. My, we’ve certainly gotten used to having the information…and it stings when it’s taken away. :(
January 9th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Not to be “Polly-anish” here, but why would the CCAA be revamping their computer system if they were preparing to stop IA’s?
I do believe something is going on, (and so does my tummy–Kaopectate anyone?), but this thought went through my mind.
We have all invested so much time, energy and emotion trying to glean any, ANY information at all. Definetly a kick in the stomach!
January 9th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Let’s be optimistic! I think (?) it could be a good thing. Since they are very image conscience, we know how they want to look to the world. All eyes are on them for the Olympics. Maybe, just maybe, this is their way of speeding things up. With no official word on where they are in the process, they can do anything.
My agency assures us they have no plans in shutting down the program. However, I do think it is unethical of them to continue accepting applications. lid 6/15/06
January 9th, 2008 at 11:47 am
So if there is no box then the CCAA does not have whole groups of people that are expectig things to be in a order. There was a notice going out to agecies late last year that stated that the dossiers had to be filled out correctly, which meant that they were going thru new dossiers after May 1st. If they are looking to place the children with people with better qualifications then with out he box they can go out of order. They could also start passing out notices on greviews and refferals as they do them and not wait for a bank of people loggied in to slow things down. I think the thing to watch is when people start getting notices of review and refferalls who have the same log in dates as other that have not. And this looks like where it will be noticed. so what did Betty Davis say in that movie? “Hold on to your seats we’re in for a bumby ride.”
January 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am
3XWAIT….THE CCAA WANTS LESS RUMORS BEING CIRCULATED AROUND THEM, CUT OFF AND LID’S…OF COURSE IT SPURS AN ENTIRE NEW SET OF RUMORS..BUT IT ELIMINATES THE DIRECT INFLUENCE WE HAD ( OR PERCEIVED INFLUENCE) ON EVERY MONTH WHEN THE DATES WOULD CHANGE…. THEY DO NOT WANT US TO “PREDICTING” BEFORE THEY HAVE MADE THEIR DECISIONS….FOR EACH MONTH…OF COURSE WE WILL ONLY KNOW WHAT PEOPLE POST IN THE MONTHS AHEAD…BUT NO MORE CAT AND MOUSE WITH THE CCAA….ONLY MY TAKE..
January 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Well disappointing as this is, it is just another thing that we ALL have to deal with. I am lucky as my agency updates there home page as soon as CCAA does theres. All I wish is that CCAA for once and for all just gives everyone a true answer for the slow down. Even if it is an answer we dont like, it would be an answer.
One sad thing is unless the good Lord provides us with a natural born child our daughter ( when ever she may come ) will never have a sibling. Because my wife and I do not have the desire, energy or patience to go through this living hell again.
RQ thanks for all the work you do…
Matt and Laura
L I , NY
LID 10/13/06
January 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
No one will be in the dark without this information–because you can get it here! There are agencies that get this kind of info fast and share it fast.
When I first read this latest, my heart sank. But I’m persuaded by those writing here that one shouldn’t make too much of it. Could it mean something? Possibly. Would it be nice if they would explain their reasons? Definitely. There is nothing about this wait that makes any sense, but I think it is easy to get wound up about certain little fetishes unnecessarily.
Of course it isn’t really just a little fetish. With a 12/15/05 LID we found out we were definitely not in the December batch when the CCAA updated their little box and people posted that info here. It was a little helpful to get the blow and start getting over it, to start focusing on being NEXT (and now, NOW :)).
January 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Anna2me I belive they are not re vamping the computers, It’s just if everything is gearing to be online processing and it’s starting now then it will be a true test of the programing they set up. My last post did n come thru but as I think about this it could be a good thing for most peole out there. It could make the CCAA more flexable in the long run not to be hemmed in by a box date that makes them finish a full log in group at once. Time will tell
January 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
*sobbing*
*&^#$@!%&(&%#@!#%&&%^#$#@#
That bites the big one!!!!!
January 9th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
If the CCAA gives agency specific info then this could be a good thing (as long as the agency is online and shares info) … Remember, agencies are not out of review at the same time for a specific month …
January 9th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
To those posters who are predicting the worst:
Getting upset and imagining all sorts of worst case scenarios is not going to change what may or may not happen. I think it is important not to stir the pot with gloom and doom possibilities as some folks might get very, very upset.
I’ve never understood why some people take an event and ZERO information and create all sorts of horrible possibilities. Could this mean something horrid? Sure. But to articulate such horrible possibilities is pointless and upsetting to many.
My opinion only of course!
Beth
LID1/4/6
January 9th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
we Second that !!!
“Getting upset and imagining all sorts of worst case scenarios is not going to change what may or may not happen. I think it is important not to stir the pot with gloom and doom possibilities as some folks might get very, very upset.”
January 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I could be totally wrong, but didn’t they say they were going to do this awhile ago and never did? I think it was going to be part of the “new” CCAA computerized system that was going to be put in place with the agencies. Still, the reason behind keeping the box/information off the “public” site is a mystery.
January 9th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I haven’t read all these comments, but I bet not publicizing everything for the media to see has to do with the Olympics and how they want to or not want to be viewed. Hopefully once the Olympics are over, they’ll go back to publicizing it.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
L_D The annoucment was made Dec. 3rd and they did say the box would be available to online agencies only.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
This really does stink.
journeytogia, we are lid the same time you are. I would love to email you:)
l
January 9th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Maybe this will enable them to select people to be referred outside of LID’s???? I guess w/ less evidence to prove they are doing it?
January 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
The other thing is that the annoucment say’s that the box would be available to the agencies. So this means the box will still exsist and that the reviews and refferals dates will still be shown in the same way? Anybody know someone who an check this out?
January 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I fear this is indeed how CCAA will start referring according to more than just LID. We already know of at least one “golden agency” that receives referrals months ahead of everyone else. Perhaps this is the start of even more agencies moving faster? Perhaps referral will move like the review room does? With a LID of 4/11/06, I know we were out of review before the CCAA site posted that even all of March 06 was done. I do suspect we will start to see either more agencies moving faster than others. I don’t think we will see PAP’s with better “credentials” moving ahead of other PAP’s within the same agency. Somehow, I don’t think many agencies would go along with that. But, you never know. As others have indicated, how many agencies would risk questioning anything CCAA decides to do?
January 9th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
hahahaha…i said “that bites” this week also…when i had to go get a root canal! seems to be the phrase of the week…..all i can do is laugh in the face of terror this week.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I believe vicki Says and vnmama2b have hit the nail on the head. It seems very possible much of what has been going on with the program for the past couple of years relates directly to the Olympics.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
With my first adoption in 2004, there was no box. The CCAA communicated its progress directly to the agencies, and did seem to process everyone in order, covering entire LIDs at a time.
With my second adoption in 2006, there was a box.
To me, the box didn’t make much of a difference. What DID make a difference was my expectations.
I recevied both referrals (and I know, this seems like a miracle now) in 9 months. But with the first, I was expecting 18 months due to conditions when I was logged in. Not wanting to be disappointed, I brushed off my agency’s communications that things were “speeding up”, and got completely blindsided by The Call.
With the second, I was expecting 6 months, and (knowing I won’t get any sympathy here) was really frustrated each month that I thought I’d be in for sure, but wasn’t.
I don’t blame my agency, as they do their very best to share information as they receive it; all I’m trying to say that it isn’t the box itself that matters, it’s whether or not PAPs are given enough information to make informed decisions. If we are given a realistic timeframe, then we can plan around it and get on with our lives. But when we’re not, we’re left agonizing and desperate for information each month. My heart goes out to everyone caught in the current slowdown.
And I give thanks to RQ for giving me the best information available with respect to #3.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
I agree with vnmama2b, I think they don’t want the media to get the info. According to a Swedish agency with online access, the box is still is there on the online site and looks the same as before. We just has to relay on our agencies to tell us the info instead of checking it ourselves :-( According to my agency (in Finland) the have had some trouble getting all info available out from the site. Maybe this is a good thing and CCAA is working on improving this service :-)
January 9th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
HEY BETH146 I AGREE WITH YOU 100% PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT AND MAKE EVERYONE ELSE VERY NERVOUS. DON’T YOU THINK THE CCAA CAN GO ON THE RUMOR QUEEN SITE AND READ ALL THE NEGATIVE POSTS? EVERYONE SHOULD JUST CALM DOWN A LITTLE, IT WILL HAPPEN SOME DAY, YOU GOT TO BE STRONG AND HAVE FAITH. IS THAT TO RELIGIOUS?
January 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
While I don’t view the end of “the box” as a sign of anything significant at this point, I surely understand why some people would have some “doom and gloom” feelings about it. I think it is good that these thoughts are shared too, so IF something bad does happen, PAPs can’t say they weren’t warned in a way.
January 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
All I can say is that this site is feeling more and more like a lifeline every day!
January 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
I’ve had trouble getting the translated news stories sometimes. I usualy went to bablfish to get the translation in tose cases, trying to read a direct translation is tough, the sentence structure is all diffrent than what you see in the engish versionof CCAA reports. On the olympics I’ve been told that there may be some slw down in the offices but the interuprtion will really be to those whose consualtesare in Bejing. I think that thee is going to be more fall out from the new congress that came into being this past fall. Good or bad I have no idea but take the story that broke monday about 500 Hunei officals losing their party memberships for having more than one child. The way the orders or attention trickles down from the ministry of Civil affairs or even higher would be more intresting than a two week slow down. Sort of the same ie that tey do close for the holidays.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I think they will stick with LIDs. If they don’t then, what other method would they use? Or would “we” use? Unless…..that is the purpose, I mean to not be able to track where they are at? What do y’all think? If they start referring out of LID order, we will not have a clue where they are at unless the refer by LID month? Any ideas?
January 9th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
If they don’t do in the LID order. Then we can’t track where we are at….right? Unless they do LIDs by months or years. Wasn’t that the purpose of the LIDs? I mean to be in a queue for the referral. To be fair in an orderly manner.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
If they don’t do it by LID, then how can they do it and how can we and RQ track just where they are at? Months or years tracking? I thought the purpose of the LID was that we all were equally in a queue, lined up in order, except the Chinese and SN. Was I wrong?
January 9th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I have had similar thought to those expressed by PETERK
January 9th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I think someone brought this up in the forums the other day: Does Hague require any kind of transparency on the part of the countries participating in IA–transparency to the PAPs?
January 9th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I understand why some people can feel calm and ok with this wait, and the unknowns associated with it…
I don’t understand why they come here to read discussions about China IA, and then complain that some of us are complaining and making everyone nervous, and that we can’t change anything, so why are we getting all upset?
PeterK - isn’t that in and of itself a bit of a fear-mongering, saying that we should calm down cause the CCAA might read this?!
Everyone copes in a different way with this wait…heck, if you can go thru this with your sanity so easily intact, I applaud you…but please understand that for other people, it’s hard living with the unknowns and people are just trying to figure stuff out.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
sorry, three posting? didn’t look like any went. our server must be messed up.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I think if you’re prone to getting nervous about people predicting gloom and doom, rumors in general that may or may not be true, and predictions that are made with the best information RQ has available but are never certain, you should stop reading this site.
I did for a while because I didn’t want to be a part of the roller coaster. If what other people say upsets you or makes you freak out, stop reading. There are plenty of groups to join where you can focus on the positive or discuss your faith if you like.
It’s just my personal pet peeve when people say that other people should keep their mouths shut because they might upset someone. If you don’t want to hear it, don’t come here. If you’re here, expect it.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
It’s just a box.
A very public box.
Now it’s a private box.
No way to track the progress or lack thereof unless you are an insider.
This also works to the agencies’ advantage since PAP’s can no longer verify their info.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Strawberryshortcake I agree. I have a hard time with both the don’t rock the boat crowd and the end has come people. I think taking a position that is so polarized make a conversation pointless.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
It’s my personal pet peeve when someone says that other people shouldn’t speak their minds because it might upset someone. If you’re prone to becoming upset by gloom and doom, WAGs, rumors and speculation that is often wrong, and predictions made with the best information RQ has available but by no means solid or guaranteed, you should stop reading this site. There are plenty of places to go if you just want to talk about the positive and/or your faith.
I took a step back from here because I found myself getting too upset by what I was reading. Nobody forced me to stay here, and I was quite happy in my ignorance. I came back when I became emotionally ready. It’s not that hard.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I am a brand new member of this site. First, thanks to the RQ for the information you do post regularly. We have a very small agency and having access to more information and other perspectives is interesting. I’ve been a browser here, never a poster before.
We have an LID of 12/15/06 and have only recently realized just how important those LIDs really are - given the slow down and the partial batches being released. The wait is definitely longer than we’d anticipated, but I have to give kudos to our agency for helping us establish realistic expectations from the beginning: they told us it was almost impossible to predict referral dates, as so much was changing in the IA community at the time we applied.
Anyway, box or no box, I feel as if “the cards are still all in their hands” with this long wait; and I’m trying to live my daily life with my baby girl in my heart and in my mind - even if she’s not in my arms yet. Not an easy task, but sites like this and others are helpful in the waiting . . .
January 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I completly agree with Beth146 and PETERK - I am certainly freaking out about the long wait (LID Aug29/06) and the fact that the longer the wait the longer there is for things to happen but I feel like we need to somehow take things for what they are and try not to paint every little thing as a bad thing.
Over the past couple of weeks I have read many things on this site and others that have apparently come from agencies/CCAA stating the the CCAA has no plans in shutting down their program but that it is most certainly going to be a wait. I hate the wait, I hate that it seems like I can never get a straight answer but unfortunatley I don’t think we are ever going to get the answers we want/need and in the mean time we need to try to bond with others in the same scenerio and try to help each other stay positive.
Believe me I get very woried and very frustrated at times but sometimes when I take a step back I just try to tell myself it is doing me no good to get all worked up and unfortunately I just need to go with the flow.
This is just my opinion!
PS RQ - if there is a rate of drop outs like have been mentioned what do you think that would do in terms of timelines??
January 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
That SUX!!! For the first time, I’m a little freaked out.
LID - 2/24/2006 (so close, yet soooo far)
January 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
just got an email from my agency that they will now be updating the families when there is a change of dates. I would not be suprised if all of your other agencies do so for you too.
January 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Skittles, I read the same article you did about government officials, party memebers, and wealthy people having more than one child and losing their jobs, party membership, being disicplined in some way and wondered why this was never brought up in the forum. I also wonder what kind of affect this will have on IA. The govt. must be scrutinizing things more and making changes.
January 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I am sorry that one of the only things that
our community can count on each month
has been removed. We had been considering
another adoption from China. This was the
clincher!!! NOT MEANT TO BE!!!! I am so
MAD that this desicion had to be made for
us!!!! My DH will be 50 next year, not too
many CHOICES LEFT!!!!! I feel so lucky to
have our Daughter!!!
LBIN
January 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Skittles, I read that article also about govt. officials, party members, and wealthy families losing their position, party membership or being punished in some way. I was surprised no brought this up in the forum before. I wonder how this will affect IA.
It seems as the govt. is scruitinizing its policies lot more lately and cracking down on their policies.
January 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I have to say that I need to take a step back from all of this for awhile. I wish you all the very best and hope that you find your way to your children. But trying to analyze every single event and what it might mean, interpreting letters sent to people in other countries, pulling at any straw we can grasp at, it’s just too much for me. I know that it’s out of desperation. We’re all feeling it. But the minute we lose hope, it’s all over. I think I need to just trust my agency, my fate, and China. They all did well by me the first time, and I have to believe they will again.
The best to all of you.
January 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
JEC and Beth 146: I agree with you very much!!! There are too many individuals on this site who project all their worst fantasies into every little thing. Ok it is understandable to have tension when waiting so long for one’s child - but still: I think these individuals are making the wait worse than necessary for themselves, as well as stirring up everybody else.
When it comes to the box removal, I don’t really care so much. CCAA said they would do this a year ago, so I am not surprised. Besides, by the time the box change every month, we usually already know the dates.
I think a probable reason for the removal of the box, is that in this way CCAA may split LID-dates - i.e. refer as many children as they have available even if it doesn’t fill up the whole LID-day. This again might stir up some people (”Why didn’t WE get this time?! How unfair!”). But it will be in the best interest of the children, that some of them get parents sooner than later.
January 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
I feel good about my agency sharing the information. But this little box became my little counter. The only thing I had officially to see how we were inching our way in this journey.
January 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Sybil There’s alot of info out there if you have the time to weed thru everything. I’m fortunate that I work in a place where I get to talk to many people from Buisness, finance, world press and so on. I get many diffrent takes on how things work there. Most of the traders and hedge fund people who have put money there or are involed with buisness all say the same thing at the end of the day, The economics are growing fast and hey are keen on what the advantadges are, the development is mind blowing, I will not even read a book about China unless it’s been published in the past year, the economy is such that they have achived for the middle and upper classes there in 20 yeras what it took Europe to achive in centuries. When you talk to the people who have just closed buisness deals there they tell you at the end of the day they would not be suprised to see China change it’s mind and close up it’s boarders without batting an eylash. The best comment was when Henry Kissinger was talking with the Chairman there in the 70’s he asked what China thought of the revolution of 1776 and the founding of the democracy. The chairman , with out batting an eywlash said “Too early to tell.” China is and will remain a event of it’s own , we are only here for a few moments to take part in a small way with our adoption. I would not be suprised to read somewhere far in the futre that we and the children that we adopt from China will have been a small and unusuall episode in the grown of two countries worlds apart,
January 9th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
moon.ladder…..the email is lfurey200@yahoo.com
Trying not to panic yet!
January 9th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Let’s not panic until we have something concrete to panic over.
this will either be good for us, bad for us or won’t make a difference to us. Lets see which of the 3 it is first. what ever it is we can’t change it. so everyone bend over and grab those bobbie socks…..
January 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Sorry…typo…..lfurey2005@yahoo.com
January 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I received this letter today from my agency. I hope that it will help any. It has for us alittle.
Our feeling is that if China decides to close the program sometime in the
next three years, they will close the program by refusing new applications
– they will not return applications that are already in China but will
process them as usual.
LID 11-23-07
January 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I’m guessing there are lots of new folks out there. This is actually old news on many boards. Here since Dec 06
http://chinaadopttalk.com/2006/12/09/why/
I think unfortunately the fact in took so long to get around to actually doing it made us think they wouldn’t. The box has been on borrowed time for a while now.
And now sadly gone. I am so sorry because during our wait it was the only concrete thing we felt we had.
January 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Skittles & Guangdong are correct - this should not be a surprise. The CCAA said they would remove the box sometime in the future, after they were done testing the online agency access program that they were planning to implement. The testing phase is now over, and now they are fully implementing the online agency access. As I understand it, agencies that want access to the online program have to pay a fee, and they can access the website and get the cutoff information. This was all explained some months ago. It is not any reason to panic.
I do think it is possible that with this full implementation of the agency access program, it may give CCAA a little more free reign to possibly either split LID’s or jump around a bit with referrals. Although they never did that before, when there was no public box, so there really isn’t a precedent for them to do so. But now that referral batches are smaller, it’s possible they might start splitting days or referring slightly out of order - or at least it gives them an easier way to do so.
January 9th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
but ibelive the box will still be showing up on the agencies web site so will it be that different? I’d love to be a bug on the wall at some of the CCAA stratigy meetings.
January 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
to me it’s kind of disapointing to see the box gone….
the way I see things people would come to this site instead of
going through their Agency, this is a nudge for us to go back
to our agencies and request info.
this site helped me to see that though I’d like to have my child in my hands life still goes on , and I souldn’t obsess over
the wait, to see that the Chinese Adoption Comunity is
large and healthy and that we take care of each other like family, funny how my antispam word is “family”
CCAA Box or not , I still get plenty of pearls of wisdom
from our now experienced friends, a place to share that
knowledege , for that i’m grateful!
Thank you RQ!
box or no box , i’ll still be around!
January 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Hi,
Sorry for my english, I speak french.
It’s incredible! I just talk with the owner of my agency(Canada, small China only) and she told me that she would probably have our referral in February or March 2008. In 2 months!! She’s crazy! She think I’m stupid or what! She told me that it takes 24 months to get a proposal! Are we on the same planet? Yesterday she spoke with somebody at CCAA and they told her that they would speed up the process! I dream! She said dont worry I’m very well connected with China! I’m so angry!
Réglissoly
LID 03/15/06
January 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I have not had enough time to read all posts, but even though many things about the program worry me, removing the box does not.
I hope that is doesn’t make sense anymore because they will refer all of the children that they have rather than stopping because they can’t complete an LID date. I hope that they can do intelligent queries based on when an agency last received referrals, how many PAPs they have in a given time frame, and which orphanages have children. I hope that they also removed the box because agencies who weren’t on board need to get on board and this is the only way to get the information. It isn’t unusual for people to be encouraged to use new systems by eliminating old processes. They want all agencies using the process. Perhaps each agency will know when their client passes review and they don’t have to wait for everyone in a given month to pass. Maybe fewer people will be needed to review and match and they can spend time going to SWIs to get them to consider IA.
Of course, there area also ways they can use this that some of us might not agree with. They could query by who best meets the requriements or favor particular agencies more easily. The second part might not be so bad because information will get out about who the good agencies are. Maybe it will encourage agencies to perform better by being more honest with potential PAPs and screening according to the requirements.
Finally, we will still have plenty of information. That is what this site is all about. The APs and PAPs will share information here and soon enough patterns will emerge. Even prior to that, your agency should know if referrals are being made out of order and hopefully will communicate it. We will find out fast enough by sharing information.
Now I am concernd about the small number of referrals and rumors of a shut down around the Olypics and the length of the wait, but not about the box. Of couse, I do have a good agency that I trust and they communicate with clients so this information is not a lifeline to me. We still have this community and perhaps improved efficiency at the CCAA will allow them to do more.
January 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Hi,
Sorry for my english, I speak french.
It’s incredible! I just talk with the owner of my agency and she told me that she would probably have our referral in February or March 2008. In 2 months!! She’s crazy! She think I’m stupid or what? She told me that it takes 24 months to get a proposal! Are we on the same planet? Yesterday she spoke with somebody at CCAA and he told her they would speed up the process! I dream! I’m so angry!!!!
Réglissoly
LID 03/15/06
January 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
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January 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Sorry for my english, I speak french.
It’s incredible! I just talk with the owner of my agency and she told me that she would probably have our referral in February or March 2008. In 2 months!! She’s crazy! She think I’m stupid or what? She told me that it takes 24 months to get a proposal! Are we on the same planet? Yesterday she spoke with somebody at CCAA and he told her they would speed up the process! I dream! I’m so angry!!!!
Réglissoly
LID 03/15/06
January 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Skittles,
Very well said, well written. My husband and I both agree with your ideas. China is growing at a rate we can not even begin to understand. I think it’s own people don’t even understand.
I also agree with mumarlene. When we were waiting in 2005/06 our agency got a letter from the CCAA stating that it needed to reign in the info it’s China Program clients were putting in yahoo groups and in other forms on the web. What was happening was that some people were posting info from our monthly agency updates. The CCAA knew what had been going on. It is a Communits country, they read emails, blogs, yahoo groups and yes, surely this site. They are smart, educated and very in control of what info about their country and people gets released.
January 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I’m thinking that this helps the IA Agencies. The transparency of where the CCAA is in the review/referral process was very open. The IA Agencies can now have an honest dialog with potential new clients without the pressure of what the “box says.”
We were all treating it like a “Right to Know” rather than a “Privilege to Know” how the process was progressing.
With the wait expanding (or contracting) IA Agencies have to feel that “the box” was hurting the potential for new clients and this puts the communication back in their laps. They can help couples make an informed decision without the prejudice/speculation of the what the CCAA website is denoting.
January 9th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
I also think this is just what the CCAA said they would do, and now they’ve done it. That they now theoretically will be able to split LID’s without the whole world knowing, is just a luck side effect. And to be honest - as we discussed in other threads - going strictly after LIDs is not in the interest of the waiting children who already are matched ahead but not referred because they did not make the whole nest LID day. And in my very own opinion it’s better to refer all matched children at once and not let them wait another month or two. I totally acknowledge that there might be other opinions about that and respect them.
I don’t think the CCAA will abandon their system of going after the log in line. With so many dossiers to keep track of, this should be the most easy way to handle it. But it certainly gives them some free space to not follow the rule from time to time. They haven’t always in the past either - we know they occasionally have split LID days and even skipped LID’s. And we all went mad about that. Now we don’t know any more and do not go mad any more… (or so they might hope, at least). It really don’t think that there’s more behind it.
January 9th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I think they will just begin sending referrals by agency and LID rather than just LID.
The sad part is that we won’t know EXACTLY where they are any longer for review and referrals.
January 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
pam811 - How on Earth did you come up with that conclusion?!
…I’m guessing you work for a PR Department.
January 9th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I think people are reading way too much into this. The box has just moved, it is not gone. I will miss it, but I do not think it really means too much. China has always referred by LIDs even when there was no box. Why would they change now just because they moved a box on their website. Besides we will still know or figure out the cut off date.
January 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
This was an email I got today from our agency.
CCAA is no longer listing dates for the review room and referrals on their website. Due to this, we will include the current dates at the bottom of each weekly email.
CCAA has issued referrals for those logged-in up to and including December 19th 2005. (My agency name) next group has a log in date of January 6th, 2006.
CCAA has reviewed all dossiers logged-in up to and including October 31st, 2006.
January 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Pam811-
How does the removal of information make it easier for the agency to have an open and honest discussion?
To me, it makes it easier to play the clients…
January 9th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Pam811~
Let me see if I have this right - we enter into an agreement with an adoption agency, who have an agreement with the CCAA to help to facilitate adoptions from their country. We follow all the rules, submit all necessary documents, pay the required fees and we have no right to ask questions or to expect any information? It is a privilege to get said information but not our right….hmmm.
January 9th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I am sorry for all the waiting parents out there and I understand how frustrating to see this one little bit of information been taken away.
I wonder if the CCAA did it to minimize traffic to their server? I know it did crash a few times. While I have no idea how long the referrals will take over the next few years, I am pretty confident that they will keep on happening. The only way I can imagine IA stopping is with turning down new applications. In other words I firmly believe that everyone will get a referral - eventually - if they wait long enough. Whenever they’ve snafus like skipped LIDs or groups, they worked really hard to fix the problem. This is why I believe the program will continue at least for families in process.
Rachel, mom to Margaux born in FengCheng, Jiangxi
http://www.sophieandmargaux.blogspot.com
January 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
lets all go back to the definition of “Current”
and think on how many agencies implied the “current wait time” was for those starting the process.
let’s count how many times our agencies tell us to stay off the rumor sites
still think they’ll be more forthcoming with potential PAP’s if cut off dates of the year 2005 aren’t posted anywhere???
My bet is the newbies won’t even know what year they’re in until they find this site.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I don’t know why they did this.
I don’t think the agencies get a lot more information than we do, ourselves, especially since the “on-line” system for the CCAA is not completely up and running.
This is very sad for all of us (I rarely sleep from the anxiety these days), but remember that they are a communist nation and things just aren’t done the same way there that they are here. Assuming that we have the “right to know” is a very Western idea. Sitting and waiting is not.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
“The waiting time has been the major topics and issues around entire China adoption. Of course, rumor queen or rumor king all started to take advantage of the situation and come up with theory or prediction that is not validated or confirmed by either CCAA or the Chinese government…. CCAA officials did ask me to tell you all to hang in there and things will look up in 2009! What does that mean? We have to guess. Overall, the incoming dossiers to CCAA each month since May 2007 has decreased dramatically. It will definitely help decrease the long wait. ” This is part of what we were told today from our agency.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Waitingformeiling-
thanks so much for for posting the quote. i must say, the following excerpt made me want to puke: “CCAA officials did ask me to tell you all to hang in there and things will look up in 2009!”
who are they kidding? what arrogance. and so chirpy! the exclamation point ( supplied by the agency, no doubt) is just icing on the cake!. ok so we’ll just sit and stare at the wall for the next 11 months, heck we have nothing better to do! And maybe, if we’re lucky, next year will be different …. Ughhhhhhh
January 9th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I copied and pasted the quote, so yes they put the exclamation point there. The whole letter seemed like %$#@ to me. I hope things do look up, but I do not like being told that they will when no one really knows what is going to happen.
January 9th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
To King - We are from the same agency. What is your LID?
I am very glad to hear that our agency will be communicating the information via emails.
January 9th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Waitingformeiling: If the CCAA really said that to your agency than doesn’t that just seem to confirm how orchestrated this slow down is? You’re right, how do they know what will haven in 2009? Hmmmm. Yeah right.
January 9th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
reglissoly,
you have to be so frustrated. it isn’t enough that what tiny bit of info we did have got yanked, you get to deal with her too
we get nothing from our agency, at least that is better than what is probably a big lie
we would love to hear what your agency has to say in a month or so, we are right behind you in line so keep us posted about her connections
LID 4-21-06
codyssister1@yahoo.com
January 10th, 2008 at 12:10 am
waitingformeiling,
That is my agency too. My favorite part of the letter was when they said there are only 50,000 orphans in China. Weren’t there a million or so last year? Wondering where all these children went. The whole thing made me sick.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Great. Our Agency tells us NOTHING. I relied totally on CCAA’s site and of course, you RQ!
What a pain.
I guess, though, is it worse waiting with the “lights on” or “in the dark” ~ I don’t know. Ive already moved into the “whateva” stage, anyway.
January 10th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Codyssister1,
Thank’s, I keep you inform!
January 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
ElliesMom2
LID 11/06
We like our agency now. They are very informative to us. At first in 2006 I was working with some people there that I did not like. Now they are great.
January 10th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
King and ElliesMom2 — I think we’re all with the same agency (I’ve never seen anyone from this agency before). I was also very pleased to get the email stating they would include current dates on their weekly email. I think we’re in the review room right now (LID 11/06) and I was really looking forward to seeing the box updated this month — one step closer in what has turned out to be a really long wait.
January 10th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Janette
I have been reading this site for a while but never commented until yesterday. We have a LID of 11/06. We have also been on the special needs list and have accepted a girl from their current list. We pray to be traveling soon. We sent in our LOI and are waiting now.
January 10th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
To all of you waiting, I just want to say how sorry I am for this update. I was one of the Mom’s who lived and breathed RQ waiting for our daughter. We are now home, but I just wanted you to know that I continue to check in here on the updates and referral status. I celebrate with all of you new families monthly, and I share the disappointment with all of you as the wait increases. Congratulations to the latest group who received your referrals. Hoping for better news for all of you in 08′!
-Di
January 10th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
King — I’m also a long-time reader and first-time poster :-)
Congratulations on choosing one of the precious children from the SN list. I hope you’ll get to meet her very soon!
January 10th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Janette
Thank You