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U.S. AgenciesA few U.S. agencies have checked to see if they have packages on the way. Only one has reported they have something en route, scheduled to be delivered tomorrow. They do not know what is in the package, just that it is coming from the CCAA. However, a few agencies who are expecting referrals report that they do not have anything on the way. I wish I had something more to report, but that’s it for now. 
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January 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
RQ,Do we know what the next LID is for the agency that is expecting a package tomorrow?
January 30th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
This sure isn’t a journey for the “faint of heart!”
Best wishes to all of the late December 2005 families — congratulations on your imminent referrals!
January 30th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Hi,
I just phone my canadian agency and they told me they have confirmation the cut-off is december 27. Their next LID is january 12. Sorry for my english.
Reglissoly
LID 03/15/06
January 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Great news! Congrats to all who will get referrals in this batch!
January 30th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Congrats to those getting referrals. To the rest of the December families, you can do it. One more month and this time you don’t have to be wondering whether you are in or not. I think it’s pretty safe to say you’ll be in next time. Get ready, the time flies once you have your referral!
January 30th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
YAY!!! Thanks for sharing Reglissoly!!!
Wendy
LID 12/27/05
http://adoptionandfire.typepad.com
January 30th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
I feel like I am going to explode. We expected and had mentally prepared to here that 12/20 was it and the best case would be 12/22. Our LID is 12/23 and we are about to pop!! Once referrals are “shipped” from China, what has been the historical time frame to get “the call”. Holy #R$&!!!
January 30th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Wendy,
I just hope for you it’s true what my agency said!
xoxoxo
January 30th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I’m still not sure if we should believe. Should we believe? I don’t know what to think– I’ve totally lost it over here. My head is no longer attached to my body!
January 30th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I dunno about you guys but I don’t see an 8 day batch as an approvement … Much of the same …
R
January 30th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
I hope they’re done with November 2006 soon (review) …
R
January 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Ray
You’re right, but 8 days is sooooo much better than the 1 or 2 day batch that many of us were dreading might happen this time.
January 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
If none of the agencies are expecting anything, why are we getting our hopes up for referrals this week at all? Don’t the agencies know when they are going to receive packages? Don’t they frequently check on it? If they knew we were going to get packages, wouldn’t they tell us?
What ever happen to the ONE French Agency getting referrals? What was that? Did the ‘bearer’ of the news “mean to say” that their agency got information about Dec 27th being the cut-off??
This is going to be a long night! I am mentally and emotionally drained! Maybe I’ll be able to sleep tonight.
Here’s to tomorrow folks,
BM3
January 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Question for RQ and the group: Our agency has a weekly hotline for China. It’s the only window I really have as to where CCAA is at in terms of date, but the hotline has only discussed referral dates. The infamous “box” used to also contain dates on LID’s that reached the review room. Does anybody have information on what the most recent reviewed LID dates were?
And yet, a new question. We’re in our late 40’s. Our LID is after 05/01/2007. With the widely rumored, forecasted, or predicted (depending on who’s doing the defining, that is) wait period going upwards of 3 to 5 years, one of us is likely to reach 50 before we get a referral. What our agency told us is that if we were under 50 by LID date, we’d be OK. However, I’ve re-read the English translation of CCAA’s new laws starting May 1 of last year, and now I’m not so sure whether CCAA will accept or reject us for NSN. Again, does anybody have any concrete information or direct experience with this situation? I’m starting to wonder whether our agency was negligent or not in guiding us away from applying to adopt from a program that had failure baked into it from the start because of our age. We DID ask about this. I’m wondering now if the answer we were given was on the level?
January 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Does anyone have any ideas about where the CCAA is with the review room??? I want to be prepared for when our dossier is going through. We are LID 1/11/07. If anyone has any info. to share please do. Thanks so much.
January 30th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
dom If I am understandng your question, it sounds like you are already logged into China. Your log in date is May 1st, did your agency say you got in under the new restriction rule? If you did then your date has frozen and you are safe, if not or if it’s gray I would ask your agency.
January 30th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
No, I said our LID is AFTER May 2007.
What we were told was, that if we were under 50 when we reached LID status, that we’d be OK.
Do others here have info that would indicate things are definitely otherwise? Obviously, there’s no way to test this.
But I would think that if this was going to be a problem, it would get kicked out at CCAA Review Room stage, wouldn’t it?
This is why I’m curious as to whether anyone’s heard anything recent from their agency as to most receive LID’s that CCAA finished reviewing.
January 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
in terms of files getting reviewed - do people regularly get turned down by china? i guess i have sort of not paid attention to this part of the process assuming it was a given. our LID is 12-30-06 so i think our review is coming up.
January 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Hi Dom sorry at work so took another read. Sounds like you’ll be one of the first to know. I do recall that the CCAA was reviewing new dossiers after May 1st and sent a memo out to agencys on the web site telling them to review the dossiers with an eye on the new rules. So if yours was checked to see if th eagencs were doing the new rules right I would have expected you to have heard. The other iten , on the same post I belive said that dossiers that were not compliant to the new rules would be put aside for later consideration. We logged in in March 07 and I’ll be 51 this March. I was told that if we are under the wire we’ll be ok, but I’m still looking over my shoulder.
January 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
In response to the infamous CCAA box-many agencies including ours is listing this information on the agency website.
So I would suggest checking with your agency to see if your agency has this information listed.
My understanding-even though the reviewed through is October 31, 2006-most likely CCAA has finished November and quite possibly December-perhaps with this next set of referrals we will see the reviewed throughs updated as well.
Congrats on all of the upcoming matches!
January 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Does anyone know how many LID’s are between 12/27/05 and 1/04/06? Congratulations to all the December families!!!! With a early January LID I’m hanging on the edge of my seat hoping for a March referral! Come on Stork, don’t give up now!
January 30th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
My agency gives us a monthly update and the January update showed that LID’s have been reviewed up to November 27, 2006. The CCAA seems to be able to review a month’s worth of referrals every month. Once you get reviewed that you get moved on to “pending referral”: you as we all know will be in that que for a long, long time.
My husband and I have a LID 1/22/07. I keep saying we are going to drink Champagne when the referrals for 2005 are finally completed.
January 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
With a log in date of 11-23-07, i will just be happy when they are finally into 2007 reviews.
Congrats to those who are getting referrals.
And remember, I know its hard not to be negative but keep your heads up and remember the treasure at the end of the rainbow…
January 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Sorry if this is posted again.
With a log in date of 11-23-07, we will just be happy to see the review room roll into the 2007 packages.
Good luck and congrats to all who will receive referrals.
And remember that there is a treasuer at the end of the long rainbow.
January 30th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
hey dom -
my agency is one of the biggest china-only agencies, and we choose them because they have the most boots on the ground in china, know what’s going on, and don’t bull. i posed this query to them just a week or two ago (my husband and i are 45 and 47, about a year-and-a-half into the wait for no. 2). they said, quite clearly and specifically, that it’s your age at LID that they will be looking at, not your age at referral, so even if we both had turned 50, we would still be referred a child two or below. my agency helped us negotiate rather rough waters on our first referral, and though not incredibly warm and fuzzy or personal, it is straight-talking. i believe them.
January 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
OMGOSH how do you guys do it? I am simply a lurker… no vested interest and I feel like I am at the top of the biggest roller coater ever. Is the ride down going to be GREAT? Or is it going to require a barf bag?
January 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
fuzzleandfuzzlet…….
If your not on the ride yet I suggest you don’t get on unless you are extremely patient.
January 30th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I am happy to read here that quite possibly we may be through Nov. AND Dec. 2006 with the review room. Atleast I can say we are next with something (review room) with a 1/11/07 LID.
January 30th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
At the moment, a bad snowstorm is paralyzing parts of China. Perhaps the work of the CCAA is being slowed by the weather.
This was published on Monday in the Financial Times:
China’s transport and energy systems have been caught in a perfect winter storm, with hundreds of thousands of people stranded during the peak travel season after train delays caused by heavy snow and power failures.
The power crisis, the worst in China for many years, has been caused by an acute shortage of the supply of coal, the country’s staple fuel. Brownouts have affected about half of China’s 31 provinces and regions.
January 30th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Dear BuzzBuzz,
Thank you so much for your comment, clarifying that it’s age at LID, not age at referral. I am really, really, REALLY happy to see this, but will absolutely try to reconfirm this with my agency. It’s not China only, but is a large, well-reputed agency somewhere in the midwest (a large area so hopefully this is vague enough for RQ) that truly isn’t known for jerking people around, one of the reasons we chose them. They’ve actually been holding a series of webinar conference calls this week, over the course of the whole week, for China waiting families based on LID date. Ours is this Friday. Believe me, this question’s going to get asked.
Anyway, thanks again. You’ve got me on the verge of restored hope. Will clarify with a follow up once I hear definitive word. I’m sure other waiting families will want to know.
January 30th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
…Drewsmom…
I saw a segment on the ABC “World News Tonight” about the storm that is hitting China. Literally thousands of people are stranded in a train stain in Guounghah (sorry for the spelling). People were fighting the elements and each other to stay alive. Many people have turned around and went home to forsake the Chinese New Year Festival..
January 30th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
fuzzleandfuzzlet,
Yes, a Barf Bag is required. A BIG ONE!
BM3
January 30th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Dom, definitely check with your agency but I’m betting you’re safe even with an LID after May ‘07. I will be 49 in a couple of months (April ‘06 LID) and I get paranoid and ask my SW periodically if CCAA counts age at referral or LID and she has repeatedly told me that your age freezes at LID.
Gak. I think that’s the first time I’ve ever typed “49″ in reference to me.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:00 am
Dom-
I understand it as BuzzBuzz stated- age at LID.
Our social worker just told us at our post-placement visit that one’s age at LID is still the age the CCAA considers. We are in our mid and late 40’s and were discussing with our SW whether we would do it again or not. I said my husband would be too old by the time a referral came and that is when the SW said it was his age at LID which would determine qualification.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:28 am
Hang in there everyone! SOmting will come this month!
Adomom
January 31st, 2008 at 12:42 am
Sleep tight all, if possible. STORK: DON’T SLEEP!!!!!! COME ON AND LET’S GET INTO JANUARY 2006!!!!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:55 am
Well, this month ends tomorrow, but I’m pretty sure something will come pretty darn soon!
January 31st, 2008 at 5:23 am
HHmom and Shellie,
Thanks again for the added confirmation. I will indeed ask this of my agency.
Someone (or several someones?) had wondered here earlier about whether they’d finish referrals for all the rest of ‘05 and with reviews for all the rest of ‘06. Although our agency’s country team leader did mention to me once that staffing issues at CCAA have for the past several years been “an issue” with regard to their backlog…and trust me, I work for a large, recognizable US federal agency and no agency anywhere likes to have humongous attention-getting backlogs…or having their budget allocation being insufficient to have the authority to hire the staff needed to process such a backlog, and CCAA IS a PRC government agency…there may be cultural ways of thinking at play here.
My wife is actually Japanese. Not Japanese-American. Japanese. We met in Japan when I worked there earlier in my life. All countries in China’s immediate sphere of historical influence - - Korea, Vietnam, Japan - - borrowed HEAVILY a lot of culture, customs, traditions, and ways of thinking - - directly from the Chinese over time, or at least adapted them to local preference.
Where I’m going with this is, to try and give you folks a tiny little microbeam of hope based on an “educated guess”. And that guess is that I’d wager CCAA’s staff probably bust a hump trying to get all of ‘05 referrals done and all of ‘06 reviews done before Chun Jie (Spring festival, i.e., CNY).
Why? Because if Japanese culture is at all reflective of Chinese culture…and clearly, they’re very distinct cultures - - my wager would be that people in ALL the countries immediately surrounding China would very naturally want to close out one year’s work COMPLETELY, take their new year’s break, and then begin the next year’s work at a starting point of zero, for a TOTALLY FRESH start. (caps for emphasis, not yelling.)
Sorry for writing War & Peace first, but my theory is: CCAA staff probably pushed VERY hard to get all of ‘05 referrals and ‘06 review done before the close of the year of the board, so that as the year of the rat starts, they start ‘06 referrals and ‘07 reviews with a totally fresh slate. I can assert that any team of Japanese workers would bust their butts to accomplish what I just described. Not doing so would be “bad luck”, boding ill for future work (and personal) fortunes. So, IF this is a way of thinking about heavenly providence that the Japanese borrowed from the Chinese…you guys may have a glimmer of hope yet.
I hope I’m right. I’m only guessing here…but experience would lead me to put money on it.
Good luck to all of us!
Chun Jie Kuai Le! (Happy CNY!)
January 31st, 2008 at 5:23 am
For those who may be interested to know…
Next LID for the French agency that announced referrals yesterday is 4.1.06. May be cut off will be after the 27th of December 2005, then. Let us hope so.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:29 am
OOOPS….meant to say “year of the BOAR” not “board”.
BTW, folks, I happened across somebody’s website yesterday that had photos of the CCAA review room team and matching room team.
I was amazed a group of foreigners were allowed to come into the offices of a Chinese government agency like that, but I guess since CCAA deals with foreign persons all the time, it’s not like sensitive state secrets or military intelligence is going on (much?) there.
If anyone’s interested, I can try to find it again and post a link for folks to see it. (Provided RQ doesn’t object, of course…this is why I’m asking permission first.)
I found it interesting to look at.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:33 am
Marianne,
Do you mean January 4, 2006? Or April 1, 2006?
I think you folks in Europe place the day first in the order of day/month/year. In the US, we put the order month/day/year.
(And now that I think about it, your way makes more logical sense. Smaller to bigger time measure: day, month, year. Yeah, more logical. Our order must stem from the way we actually say it in English. Hmmmm….)
January 31st, 2008 at 5:34 am
Gonna try this again, seems last post didn’t save.
Marianne, did you mean January 4, 2006?
To us in the US, 4.1.2006 means “April 1, 2006″.
Just checking.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:00 am
Yes, sorry I meant 4th of January 2006, of course. Ahaha.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:49 am
Would someone please let us know if they are over the age of 50 when receiving a referral this month? We were both already LID and over 50 before the new restrictions in May 2007 took over. Thanks!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:52 am
Other photos of the CCAA can be found if you go to google , click on images on the search bar and type in the word search , ccaa, matching rooom, staff ect. I think a lot of the shots are from agency officials getting the tour.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:20 am
Oops. Guess my first attempt did post, after all.
Dui bu qi (Sorry ’bout that).
And Marianne, thanks for clarifying the date.
Maybe that’s an indication that my wagering about East Asian sentiment about not leaving loose ends hanging at the close of one year, and starting from a clean slate and fresh start at the beginning of the next year, actually bears out? We’ll see.
WaitingForever, from what others have said, if your LID is prior to May 1, 2007 then even if you were 50, but under 55 at LID date, I’d assume you’re still OK and on track.
Our LID is October 07. We tried hard to beat the clock on the May 1st deadline last year, but the delays of getting our autobiographies written for the homestudy, dealing with the homestudy SW’s personal schedule, and getting the homestudy through approval at our agency, took freakin’ FOREVER. Was also a bit frosted at the fact that while we were waiting for the homestudy to get approved (which took about 1 month from the time our SW finished the study and sent it to our caseworker for approval, to receipt of the final approval), they wouldn’t send dossier instructions until the homestudy approval was done. That kind of pissed me off. During that month, I could have worked with our dossier service (EXCELLENT work done by our dossier person on Long Island NY) to get the dossier ready to go while we were waiting for approval. I’d have happily spent the money to get our dossier in a month earlier. But they made us wait.
The reality is we probably still wouldn’t have made the May 1 deadline, but could have had our dossier in at least one month, perhaps two months, earlier than we did.
arrgh.
Anyway, I appreciate everyone’s forbearance with my questions…and my rantings.
Da Jia, Duo Xie! (Thanks, everybody.)
January 31st, 2008 at 8:32 am
RQ: If this isn’t kosher with you, please don’t post this.
But if it’s OK, then I think folks might enjoy seeing these if they haven’t already.
Oh, yeah. Here are those pictures of CCAA.
Almost forgot:
http://familyoffour.homestead.com/June05CCAA.html
What surprised me…and this is yet another reflection of how cultures differ…were the cute little cubes the CCAA workers sit in for their workspaces. I say “surprised” since a typical Japanese large organization’s office, whether government or corporate, would typically have long rows of tables, and around each table would be a team of people representing a “section”. Not cubes, since the idea is to foster teamwork and rapid communication and coordination. No privacy that way, but Japan’s large cities are so crowded, Japanese don’t expect privacy in public spaces like a workplace anyway. Privacy for them means “inside one’s home”. China being as crowded as it is, I would have thought a similar dynamic would have been at play, but this underlines a cultural difference. So, I’ll have to ask my friends from Mainland China and Taiwan about this. I simply found the office arrangement curious, as a part-time student of both Chinese and Japanese languages & cultures.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:35 am
Dear WaitingForever,
Trying this again. Having posting trouble today, it seems.
If you were over 50 yet still under 55 at LID date, and LID is before May 1, 2007, you ought to be OK, given what others have written here. You’re safely under the wire.
Us? We’re gonna be one of those “test cases”.
Our LID is October 2007. Perhaps I should rename myself “WaitingLongerThanForever”.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:04 am
This is to “WaitingForever”: Yes, I am over 50 and received a referral on 31 Dec. We are traveling on 23 Feb to pickup a 3 1/2 year old little girl in Guizhou Province. I will turn 60 this year and my wife turns 49. We have a 5 1/2 year old who came to us from Henan Province in 2004. Our LID was 12/19/05. That answer your question?
January 31st, 2008 at 9:17 am
Does anyone recall reading or hearing something about there being more Chinese babies born this time of year than any other? I seem to have that in the back of my head, that Chinese families try to have their babies around Chinese New Year, but I can’t remember where I heard or read it. Ironically, my first daughter (Chinese) was born the day before CNY, which is probably why it came up. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
If this is, in fact, the case, it seems that it would be good news six months from now when more babies are ready to come home.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:35 am
LilysMum-
When is your LID? I know what those bad days feel like, but they will all be worth it in the end. I know how hard it was my first time around, some really bumpy roads along the way; but in the end, China gave me the most precious, beautiful, incredible little person I could have ever dreamed of. It’s a little easier this time around because I know it’s possible, that it will happen, what’s waiting at the end of the journey. But I still remember those bad days vividly, and my heart goes out to you. Try to hang in there, okay?
LID Feb 07
January 31st, 2008 at 10:22 am
LilysMum-
When is your LID? I know what those bad days feel like, but you have to believe that it will all be worth it in the end. I remember how hard it was the first time around, some very bumpy roads; but in the end, China gave me the most precious, beautiful, incredible little person I could have ever dreamed of. It’s a little easier this time around because I know what lies at the end of it all, that it DOES HAPPEN; but I remember those days vividly, and my heart goes out to you.
Try to hang in there, okay? You’ll get your baby.
LID Feb 07
January 31st, 2008 at 10:25 am
The year of teh Golden Boar is a very very good year to have a baby, There should have been a record amount of births this year,(Chinese) if the news was correct when it started. It got to the point that Hong Kong rulled that only peole who lived there could gve birth there, many mainland couples were trying to book a room at the time of birth there for two reasons , better hospitals than mainland and also if the baby is born in Hong Kong it gets abetter set of papers than being born on the main land. Something else there was a sharp increase of fertility drug treatments in th eyear leading up to and during. Chinese nationals were even going to clinics in the US. Twins , triplets, if they give birth to multibles they get to keep all the children, ot to mention better odds of having a boy. So it’s not really a one child rule n China it’sa one pregnancy rule.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:33 am
To Bellas Mom
Your attitude above is what gives IA a bad name. The Chinese people are not there to make kids to be shipped out to bloated westerners. Hoping for a sudden flow of abandoned children at the cost of incredible pain to the birth parents is sick.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:38 am
LilysMum-
When is your LID? I remember vividly what those bad days feel like, but you have to keep remembering that every one of them will be worth it in the end. I know. My first adoption was very hard, some VERY bumpy roads; but in the end, China gave me the most precious, beautiful, incredible little person I could have ever dreamed of. And they will give you the same.
This time around seems a little bumpy as well, but it’s easier for me now because I know first hand what lies at the end of the journey. And I can assure you that it’s wonderful.
So try to hang in there, okay? And when you need some positive reassurance, just post a little “HELP!” message on this site and someone will have the right words to help you. The boat may be on stormy waters, but you have a ton of people here riding the waves with you.
It will be okay.
LID Feb 07
January 31st, 2008 at 10:42 am
I suggest everyone needs to refresh their memory from time to time about the forum rules. The one that comes to mind now is the one about personal attacks. I am heading there myself now to refresh my memory also.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:55 am
I totally agree with you YR.
I was just about to make the same suggestion.
Everyone please stay cool !!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:03 am
China dad 1-
I’m sorry if my beliefs offended you, but it’s what I believe. I don’t see it as “them” and “us”. And I don’t view these births as accidental. That’s why I’m building our family through adoption in the first place. I believe we’re all in this together, and every one of these children coming into the world are meant to. It’s what will keep this world going, what gives us hope.
I teach my child every day what a miracle her birth was, what an incredible gift she is to this world. I see our families, her birth family and our adoptive family, as one. They gave her life, and now we’re helping her through it. I pray all the time that somehow her birth family knows what an incredible gift they gave to this world and how much better off the world now is because they brought her into it. Sometimes it takes two families, both of us having suffered in our own ways, to give this incredible child life.
We planted a tree in our backyard in honor of our daughter’s birth people, because that is how we see them. By bringing this wonderful child into the world, they’ve made the world stronger, given us hope.
Okay, never thought I would be posting my life’s philosophy on a website, but thought it was necessary.
I’m sorry if I offended you.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:26 am
China Dad 1, are you looking for problems? You really had to do a lot of mental gymnastics to come up with that one.
…”bloated westerners” …what’s up with that rude comment?
Possibly you need to step back a bit, and cut the holier-than-thou rhetoric.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:32 am
Bellas Mom, LilysMum–
I just want to send a cyber hug out to you. This wait is so terribly hard.
I think that many of us waiting parents often wish something would happen so that more babies would be referred each month.
I know I have wished this with all my heart over the past 2 years.
I also believe that most of us also acknowledge that this wish — that will be bring us great joy– is at another mother’s (father’s) loss– and also a loss for the baby we long for.
I acknowledge this every day.
It is sad, it is heart-breaking, but it is true . . . and we are human.
LID 12/20/05 and wishing referrals will arrive today!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
I in no way believe as adopting parents we gain at the loss of birth parents. We have ZERO control of the situation that leads to the thousands of children in China without parents.
Whether or not we adopt, these children would not be with their birth parents.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
skittles Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 10:25 am
Something else there was a sharp increase of fertility drug treatments in th eyear leading up to and during. Chinese nationals were even going to clinics in the US. Twins , triplets, if they give birth to multibles they get to keep all the children, ot to mention better odds of having a boy. So it’s not really a one child rule n China it’sa one pregnancy rule.
To Skittles: One pregnancy is probably better wording than one child, but even that is not accurate, since a woman could get pregnant multiple times and have abortions. Abortions are readily available and encouraged in China. Perhaps “one delivery” would be even more accurate.
To everyone else waiting this month for referrals: I’m sending great thoughts your way! I have tears in my eyes over reading your words of anticipation.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Okay, I’m pretty new to all this but, I thought abortions are prohibited in China. I knew people had them, but I thought they did so illegally. I thought that if caught having one, the mother would be fined heavily, or worse. I also thought that ultrasounds could not be used to determine the sex of the baby. I read that doctors were only allowed to use ultrasound to check the health of the fetus and that they were not allowed to disclose the sex. Please update me on the laws regarding this. It is all very interesting to me. I can’t believe the gov’t encourages them now. Whatever I read must have been really old!