News from the Netherlands
We are told that there was a TV program in the Netherlands last night about the Hunan scandal. Apparently a reporter has dug up information on it, and now there are fears the government could halt adoptions from China.
I have searched the worldwide news feeds and I can’t find anything at all about this.
My first thoughts are that someone is trying to stir up old news for some reason. And this is old news at this point.
What is being reported by people who watched the show is that the reporter thinks he has found new information, things that weren’t known before. If that is the case then that would be bad. But, if that were the case then I would expect someone else to have picked up on the story and reported it elsewhere. And I don’t see where that has happened.
If anyone in the Netherlands has a news link, something translatable, please send me the link. I have links to the video, but I need something in text that I can put through a machine translation. As for the American on there spouting nonsense, my opinions on his “research” can be found here.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:18 am
I found a little bit of information on a site called romania-forexportonly.blogspot.com
A couple of video clips in english, but not able find any new information. statement from Brian stuy and I think a spokes person from hague convention Some of the information could cause new concern as to the number of children involved .Does anyone who has seen the documentary know if they have new concrete evidence of a bigger problem?
March 12th, 2008 at 7:27 am
how can i sent you the article??
March 12th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Al the articles I have are in Dutch. The televisionprogram can be watched on the internet. But it’s also in Dutch. Our agencie gives this reaction:
There are two rumors:
1. De Chinese police takes children from there parents when it’s the second child.
This one is cruel but we understand this. It’s the part of the one child politic.
2. Some people steel children from the parents and sel them to the foster homes. This would be still happening and not only in Hunan but in the rest of China also.
This second rumor is why everyone in Holland is so shocked!!
Our agencie also wants that our Government is doing a proper research!! In the mean time, it’s possible that our government will stop the adoptions from China to Holland. To be secure that we are not involved in selling children.
It’s a big thing right? All adoptionparents are absoluty in shock here. Nobody want this. And what about our children who are allready with us?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:52 am
RQ, there is a very good (Dutch) blog of friends of ours on the Dutch program, but I don’t know if they want us to post it right here. Is there a way to PM it to you?
March 12th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Oh, this is a good link to what is in the broadcast itself:
http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html
Most notable:
Uit onderzoek van Netwerk blijkt dat in elk geval 17 kinderen geadopteerd zijn uit Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, het kindertehuis waarvan is vastgesteld dat afgenomen kinderen daar terechtkomen. De kindertehuizen in de provincie Hunan waar Nederland adoptiekinderen vandaan haalt, bleken bovendien systematisch geld te betalen aan vinders van vondelingen en kinderhandelaren. Een tehuisdirecteur die inmiddels veroordeeld is voor kinderhandel, zegt in Netwerk dat kindertehuizen in heel China betalen voor kinderen die aangebracht worden. Volgens de Chinese onderzoeksjournalist Deng Fei is het zeker dat er in 2005 verhandelde kinderen naar Nederland gekomen zijn.
Translation (hope I did it right):
Research by Netwerk shows that at least 17 children are adopted from Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, the children’s home of which it has been determined that taken children are brought there. The children’s homes in the Hunan province where the Netherlands obtains adopted children from, moreover appeared to systematically pay money to finders of children and child traders. One Home director who has already been condemned for children trafficing, said to Netwerk that children’s homes all over China pay for children who are brought in. According to the Chinese research journalist Deng Fei it is certain that children, trafficked in 2005 have been brought to the Netherlands.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:14 am
This is the link to the contents of the broadcast. This article is by the program makers themselves. http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html
Transation of part of it:
Research by Netwerk shows that at least 17 children are adopted from Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, the children’s home of which it has been determined that taken children are brought there. The children’s homes in the Hunan province where the Netherlands obtains adopted children from, moreover appeared to systematically pay money to finders of children and child traders. One Home director who has already been condemned for children trafficing, said to Netwerk that children’s homes all over China pay for children who are brought in. According to the Chinese research journalist Deng Fei it is certain that children, trafficked in 2005 have been brought to the Netherlands.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I am probably responding to the last 3 topics at once, I apologize.
I must admit I had a kind of Moses flashback about the kids in orphanage. That if you couldn’t pay the fine you hid your pregnancy and put the baby in a place it could be found. I am very upset that it could happen differently than this. But the Moses scenario is just as horrid as a government official taking the baby when the fine can’t be paid. Abandonment was still forced on the family because of “policy”. I don’t approve of the one child policy or any means the government has enforced it.
We went in summer. Yes, it’s crowded there – so is New York. They can’t grow wheat in the middle east and there are people living there…I just can’t get excited that there is such an effort to have less Chinese people in the world and that people are excited about this because it is good for the “Environment”!
Being that I can’t change the world… We did still adopted from China. And want to again. We wanted to be parents and we saw and still see China as a place where there are children would not get to be in a family unless we adopted them.
As for the untraceable, I doubt that. We do postplacent reports. It sounds like they didn’t want the couple to find out what happened or to get the baby back – if it was accurate? China is very upset right now about people who flaut the policy and have more than one when it’s not permitted. Making the rich/poor thing even more upsetting.
With all the abandonments, I don’t understand why abductions would be necessary?
As for this whole thing starting in the Netherlands, remember the outrage over the Dutch family who returned their adopted child or put the child back up for adoption after 7 years? I believe it was a Korean adoption. Maybe that just got the reporters all interested in IA?
With the olympics coming up I bet there will be more of this. People trying to uncover China’s dirty little secrets. I just hope isolated cases – which China usually gets to the bottom of quickly ans makes an example of publically – don’t keep halting the program.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Why won’t my comment get in? is there a length maximum? Oh well… RQ: Here is a link to the contents of the program.
http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html
March 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Content of the program:
http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html
March 12th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Oh, sorry, now my posts are getting in by the dozen!
March 12th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Sorry, folks, this probably isn’t a rumor. It’s probably true and it was just time (26 + months of waiting) before something like this to be uncovered. If it is true that trafficking of some sort is occurring, then IA from China should stop until it is fixed. It’s the only ethical thing to do. :-(
March 12th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
So which is it….they need to raise the “donation” because it isn’t worth it for SWI’s to make children “paper ready” …or …people are stealing children to sell to foster homes because it is so lucrative.
At the present rate of referrals, wouldn’t these “stolen” children most likely end up staying in the orphanage, and to be adopted?
…I’m going to wait for more information before I call for the stopping of IA.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Oops! …should have been: At the present rate of referrals, wouldn’t these “stolen†children most likely end up staying in the orphanage, and NOT be adopted?
March 13th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
This story sounds to me to be a total rehash of the Hunan trafficking problems of ~three years ago. What is the new info?? Adoptions were halted from Hunan province whilst the Chinese authorities got to the bottom of the matter. As I recollect, there was at least one execution. Jobs were lost, people were imprisoned. Eventually, referrals did begin again from Hunan, but not to the extent seen previously.