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	<title>Comments on: News from the Netherlands</title>
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	<description>Join the Rumor Queen as she looks for the latest rumors and then analyzes them, trying to figure out what the CCAA will do next.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: akindofmagick</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-51006</link>
		<dc:creator>akindofmagick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story sounds to me to be a total rehash of the Hunan trafficking problems of ~three years ago. What is the new info?? Adoptions were halted from Hunan province whilst the Chinese authorities got to the bottom of the matter. As I recollect, there was at least one execution. Jobs were lost, people were imprisoned. Eventually, referrals did begin again from Hunan, but not to the extent seen previously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story sounds to me to be a total rehash of the Hunan trafficking problems of ~three years ago. What is the new info?? Adoptions were halted from Hunan province whilst the Chinese authorities got to the bottom of the matter. As I recollect, there was at least one execution. Jobs were lost, people were imprisoned. Eventually, referrals did begin again from Hunan, but not to the extent seen previously.</p>
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		<title>By: p12</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50964</link>
		<dc:creator>p12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! ...should have been: At the present rate of referrals, wouldnâ€™t these â€œstolenâ€ children most likely end up staying in the orphanage, and NOT be adopted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! &#8230;should have been: At the present rate of referrals, wouldnâ€™t these â€œstolenâ€ children most likely end up staying in the orphanage, and NOT be adopted?</p>
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		<title>By: p12</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50963</link>
		<dc:creator>p12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So which is it....they need to raise the "donation" because it isn't worth it for SWI's to make children "paper ready" ...or ...people are stealing children to sell to foster homes because it is so lucrative.
At the present rate of referrals, wouldn't these "stolen" children most likely end up staying in the orphanage, and to be adopted?
...I'm going to wait for more information before I call for the stopping of IA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So which is it&#8230;.they need to raise the &#8220;donation&#8221; because it isn&#8217;t worth it for SWI&#8217;s to make children &#8220;paper ready&#8221; &#8230;or &#8230;people are stealing children to sell to foster homes because it is so lucrative.<br />
At the present rate of referrals, wouldn&#8217;t these &#8220;stolen&#8221; children most likely end up staying in the orphanage, and to be adopted?<br />
&#8230;I&#8217;m going to wait for more information before I call for the stopping of IA.</p>
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		<title>By: tellmemore</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50902</link>
		<dc:creator>tellmemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, folks, this probably isn't a rumor.  It's probably true and it was just time (26 + months of waiting) before something like this to be uncovered.  If it is true that trafficking of some sort is occurring, then IA from China should stop until it is fixed.  It's the only ethical thing to do.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, folks, this probably isn&#8217;t a rumor.  It&#8217;s probably true and it was just time (26 + months of waiting) before something like this to be uncovered.  If it is true that trafficking of some sort is occurring, then IA from China should stop until it is fixed.  It&#8217;s the only ethical thing to do.  :-(</p>
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		<title>By: chrisboers</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50891</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisboers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry, now my posts are getting in by the dozen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry, now my posts are getting in by the dozen!</p>
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		<title>By: chrisboers</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50886</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisboers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Content of the program: 
http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Content of the program:<br />
<a href="http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: chrisboers</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50885</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisboers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why won't my comment get in? is there a length maximum? Oh well... RQ: Here is a link to the contents of the program.
http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why won&#8217;t my comment get in? is there a length maximum? Oh well&#8230; RQ: Here is a link to the contents of the program.<br />
<a href="http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: kms</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50884</link>
		<dc:creator>kms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am probably responding to the last 3 topics at once, I apologize.

I must admit I had a kind of Moses flashback about the kids in orphanage. That if you couldn't pay the fine you hid your pregnancy and put the baby in a place it could be found. I am very upset that it could happen differently than this. But the Moses scenario is just as horrid as a government official taking the baby when the fine can't be paid. Abandonment was still forced on the family because of  "policy". I don't approve of the one child policy or any means the government has enforced it. 

We went in summer. Yes, it's crowded there - so is New York. They can't grow wheat in the middle east and there are people living there...I just can't get excited that there is such an effort to have less Chinese people in the world and that people are excited about this because it is good for the "Environment"! 

Being that I can't change the world... We did still adopted from China. And want to again. We wanted to be parents and we saw and still see China as a place where there are children would not get to be in a family unless we adopted them. 

As for the untraceable, I doubt that. We do postplacent reports. It sounds like they didn't want the couple to find out what happened or to get the baby back - if it was accurate? China is very upset right now about people who flaut the policy and have more than one when it's not permitted. Making the rich/poor thing even more upsetting. 

With all the abandonments, I don't understand why abductions would be necessary? 

As for this whole thing starting in the Netherlands, remember the outrage over the Dutch family who returned their adopted child or put the child back up for adoption after 7 years? I believe it was a Korean adoption. Maybe that just got the reporters all interested in IA? 

With the olympics coming up I bet there will be more of this. People trying to uncover China's dirty little secrets. I just hope isolated cases - which China usually gets to the bottom of quickly ans makes an example of publically - don't keep halting the program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am probably responding to the last 3 topics at once, I apologize.</p>
<p>I must admit I had a kind of Moses flashback about the kids in orphanage. That if you couldn&#8217;t pay the fine you hid your pregnancy and put the baby in a place it could be found. I am very upset that it could happen differently than this. But the Moses scenario is just as horrid as a government official taking the baby when the fine can&#8217;t be paid. Abandonment was still forced on the family because of  &#8220;policy&#8221;. I don&#8217;t approve of the one child policy or any means the government has enforced it. </p>
<p>We went in summer. Yes, it&#8217;s crowded there - so is New York. They can&#8217;t grow wheat in the middle east and there are people living there&#8230;I just can&#8217;t get excited that there is such an effort to have less Chinese people in the world and that people are excited about this because it is good for the &#8220;Environment&#8221;! </p>
<p>Being that I can&#8217;t change the world&#8230; We did still adopted from China. And want to again. We wanted to be parents and we saw and still see China as a place where there are children would not get to be in a family unless we adopted them. </p>
<p>As for the untraceable, I doubt that. We do postplacent reports. It sounds like they didn&#8217;t want the couple to find out what happened or to get the baby back - if it was accurate? China is very upset right now about people who flaut the policy and have more than one when it&#8217;s not permitted. Making the rich/poor thing even more upsetting. </p>
<p>With all the abandonments, I don&#8217;t understand why abductions would be necessary? </p>
<p>As for this whole thing starting in the Netherlands, remember the outrage over the Dutch family who returned their adopted child or put the child back up for adoption after 7 years? I believe it was a Korean adoption. Maybe that just got the reporters all interested in IA? </p>
<p>With the olympics coming up I bet there will be more of this. People trying to uncover China&#8217;s dirty little secrets. I just hope isolated cases - which China usually gets to the bottom of quickly ans makes an example of publically - don&#8217;t keep halting the program.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisboers</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50883</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisboers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the link to the contents of the broadcast. This article is by the program makers themselves. http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html

Transation of part of it:
Research by Netwerk shows that at least 17 children are adopted from Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, the children's home of which it has been determined that taken children are brought there. The children's homes in the Hunan province where the Netherlands obtains adopted children from, moreover appeared to systematically pay money to finders of children and child traders. One Home director who has already been condemned for children trafficing, said to Netwerk that children's homes all over China pay for children who are brought in. According to the Chinese research journalist Deng Fei it is certain that children, trafficked in 2005 have been brought to the Netherlands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the link to the contents of the broadcast. This article is by the program makers themselves. <a href="http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html</a></p>
<p>Transation of part of it:<br />
Research by Netwerk shows that at least 17 children are adopted from Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, the children&#8217;s home of which it has been determined that taken children are brought there. The children&#8217;s homes in the Hunan province where the Netherlands obtains adopted children from, moreover appeared to systematically pay money to finders of children and child traders. One Home director who has already been condemned for children trafficing, said to Netwerk that children&#8217;s homes all over China pay for children who are brought in. According to the Chinese research journalist Deng Fei it is certain that children, trafficked in 2005 have been brought to the Netherlands.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisboers</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/12/news-from-the-netherlands/#comment-50880</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisboers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, this is a good link to what is in the broadcast itself:
http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html

Most notable:
Uit onderzoek van Netwerk blijkt dat in elk geval 17 kinderen geadopteerd zijn uit Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, het kindertehuis waarvan is vastgesteld dat afgenomen kinderen daar terechtkomen. De kindertehuizen in de provincie Hunan waar Nederland adoptiekinderen vandaan haalt, bleken bovendien systematisch geld te betalen aan vinders van vondelingen en kinderhandelaren. Een tehuisdirecteur die inmiddels veroordeeld is voor kinderhandel, zegt in Netwerk dat kindertehuizen in heel China betalen voor kinderen die aangebracht worden. Volgens de Chinese onderzoeksjournalist Deng Fei is het zeker dat er in 2005 verhandelde kinderen naar Nederland gekomen zijn.

Translation (hope I did it right):
Research by Netwerk shows that at least 17 children are adopted from Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, the children's home of which it has been determined that taken children are brought there. The children's homes in the Hunan province where the Netherlands obtains adopted children from, moreover appeared to systematically pay money to finders of children and child traders. One Home director who has already been condemned for children trafficing, said to Netwerk that children's homes all over China pay for children who are brought in. According to the Chinese research journalist Deng Fei it is certain that children, trafficked in 2005 have been brought to the Netherlands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this is a good link to what is in the broadcast itself:<br />
<a href="http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.netwerk.tv/nieuws/108/ChristenUnie_wil_adopties_uit_China_opschorten.html</a></p>
<p>Most notable:<br />
Uit onderzoek van Netwerk blijkt dat in elk geval 17 kinderen geadopteerd zijn uit Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, het kindertehuis waarvan is vastgesteld dat afgenomen kinderen daar terechtkomen. De kindertehuizen in de provincie Hunan waar Nederland adoptiekinderen vandaan haalt, bleken bovendien systematisch geld te betalen aan vinders van vondelingen en kinderhandelaren. Een tehuisdirecteur die inmiddels veroordeeld is voor kinderhandel, zegt in Netwerk dat kindertehuizen in heel China betalen voor kinderen die aangebracht worden. Volgens de Chinese onderzoeksjournalist Deng Fei is het zeker dat er in 2005 verhandelde kinderen naar Nederland gekomen zijn.</p>
<p>Translation (hope I did it right):<br />
Research by Netwerk shows that at least 17 children are adopted from Shaoyang social Welfare Institute, the children&#8217;s home of which it has been determined that taken children are brought there. The children&#8217;s homes in the Hunan province where the Netherlands obtains adopted children from, moreover appeared to systematically pay money to finders of children and child traders. One Home director who has already been condemned for children trafficing, said to Netwerk that children&#8217;s homes all over China pay for children who are brought in. According to the Chinese research journalist Deng Fei it is certain that children, trafficked in 2005 have been brought to the Netherlands.</p>
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