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		<title>By: china2</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/13/sorting-it-all-out/comment-page-1/#comment-51048</link>
		<dc:creator>china2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, it was a typing mistake. 
Obviously, in Holland we have 3 agencies for adoption from China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, it was a typing mistake.<br />
Obviously, in Holland we have 3 agencies for adoption from China.</p>
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		<title>By: AmericanFamily</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmericanFamily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...one director has told this to a parent who reported it to me.&quot;  

Well, I supposed that does qualify as a rumor and since you are the Rumor Queen, I suppose that is fare game :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;one director has told this to a parent who reported it to me.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, I supposed that does qualify as a rumor and since you are the Rumor Queen, I suppose that is fare game :).</p>
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		<title>By: kms</title>
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		<dc:creator>kms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t name agencies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t name agencies!</p>
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		<title>By: Dutchcouple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dutchcouple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are 3 agencies in the Netherlands, _________, _________ Ã¡nd ________... for the record just to be accurate....


&lt;em&gt;Edited by RQ to remove agency names.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 3 agencies in the Netherlands, _________, _________ Ã¡nd ________&#8230; for the record just to be accurate&#8230;.</p>
<p><em>Edited by RQ to remove agency names.</em></p>
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		<title>By: RumorQueen</title>
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		<dc:creator>RumorQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmericanFamily - that information came to me when the facts around the Hunan Scandal were coming out. It was a widespread practice and was talked about like everyone already knew it was happening. It wasn&#039;t resulting in kidnapped babies being brought to the orphanage, but still, the appearance of paying for babies was bad and the CCAA instructed it to stop.

The information has also come to me a few times since then when an orphanage director says that babies are now more often picked up by families who keep the baby as their own without filing any reports, as opposed to the past when their people found the baby and reported it to the police and the baby came to the orphanage. I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s a bad thing, that the baby stays there until a family who wants a child finds it, as that means the child never has to spend time in an orphanage. But, some babies die before someone finds them, too. And that is very bad.  Anyway, the point is that some of the SWI directors say that this is one reason they don&#039;t have as many babies coming to them now. And more than one director has told this to a parent who reported it to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmericanFamily &#8211; that information came to me when the facts around the Hunan Scandal were coming out. It was a widespread practice and was talked about like everyone already knew it was happening. It wasn&#8217;t resulting in kidnapped babies being brought to the orphanage, but still, the appearance of paying for babies was bad and the CCAA instructed it to stop.</p>
<p>The information has also come to me a few times since then when an orphanage director says that babies are now more often picked up by families who keep the baby as their own without filing any reports, as opposed to the past when their people found the baby and reported it to the police and the baby came to the orphanage. I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s a bad thing, that the baby stays there until a family who wants a child finds it, as that means the child never has to spend time in an orphanage. But, some babies die before someone finds them, too. And that is very bad.  Anyway, the point is that some of the SWI directors say that this is one reason they don&#8217;t have as many babies coming to them now. And more than one director has told this to a parent who reported it to me.</p>
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		<title>By: china2</title>
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		<dc:creator>china2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Holland I want to write more about this, because I read things here that are not correct. 

There was really shokking news in the program.

The program was about 2 topics:

1. the childtraffic in Hunan, we all know about since 2005.
The program also suggested that childtraffic practices were more widespread than we know about, and that there were more children involved than the 85 children that was known about. Shokking to me.
 
2. governmentofficials who take away children from parents who cannot affort to pay (when they already have a child). These children were put in an orphanage and in the end they were adopted internationally! This is really shokking news!

It is not clear how often this happened. The program was about Hunan, but nobody knows whether this also happened in other provinces and whether is still happens.

In Holland we have 2 agencies who work with China. 
One of the agencies says the program was nothing new and they think there is no reason to worry. 
The two other agencies say that it is new information to them that children are taken away by government officials, brought to orphanages, got false papers and were adopted internationally.
The agencies and the ministery of Justice are talking about how to handle in this situation. 
The two agencies who worry about this write on their websites that they are shokked by the news, that they want it to be investigated thoroughly, and they want to be sure that this is not happening anymore.
The directors of both agencies said on tv that it is possible in the worst case scenario, that they have to stop the Chinaprogram as long as they cannot be sure that these practices are not happening anymore. 
At this moment they are waiting the steps to be taken.
          
For anyone who wants to translate this agency news: 

http://www.wereldkinderen.nl/site.php?id=nl_news&amp;nieuws_id=183

www.meiling.nl

Well, I hope I explained it clearly.
Let&#039;s hope, that in the end it will be false information, but at the moment I&#039;m afraid there are things happing in China that really affect in a very bad way the life of children in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Holland I want to write more about this, because I read things here that are not correct. </p>
<p>There was really shokking news in the program.</p>
<p>The program was about 2 topics:</p>
<p>1. the childtraffic in Hunan, we all know about since 2005.<br />
The program also suggested that childtraffic practices were more widespread than we know about, and that there were more children involved than the 85 children that was known about. Shokking to me.</p>
<p>2. governmentofficials who take away children from parents who cannot affort to pay (when they already have a child). These children were put in an orphanage and in the end they were adopted internationally! This is really shokking news!</p>
<p>It is not clear how often this happened. The program was about Hunan, but nobody knows whether this also happened in other provinces and whether is still happens.</p>
<p>In Holland we have 2 agencies who work with China.<br />
One of the agencies says the program was nothing new and they think there is no reason to worry.<br />
The two other agencies say that it is new information to them that children are taken away by government officials, brought to orphanages, got false papers and were adopted internationally.<br />
The agencies and the ministery of Justice are talking about how to handle in this situation.<br />
The two agencies who worry about this write on their websites that they are shokked by the news, that they want it to be investigated thoroughly, and they want to be sure that this is not happening anymore.<br />
The directors of both agencies said on tv that it is possible in the worst case scenario, that they have to stop the Chinaprogram as long as they cannot be sure that these practices are not happening anymore.<br />
At this moment they are waiting the steps to be taken.</p>
<p>For anyone who wants to translate this agency news: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wereldkinderen.nl/site.php?id=nl_news&#038;nieuws_id=183" rel="nofollow">http://www.wereldkinderen.nl/site.php?id=nl_news&#038;nieuws_id=183</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.meiling.nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.meiling.nl</a></p>
<p>Well, I hope I explained it clearly.<br />
Let&#8217;s hope, that in the end it will be false information, but at the moment I&#8217;m afraid there are things happing in China that really affect in a very bad way the life of children in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Dutchcouple</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/03/13/sorting-it-all-out/comment-page-1/#comment-51021</link>
		<dc:creator>Dutchcouple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi RQ,

http://www.netwerk.tv/weblog/index.php?itemid=85

By this link you can see some video images of a dutch adoption-prof, I believe, an american man who knows a lot about adoption form China and a sir Duncan talking about the matter.
Two video&#039;s are in english.
 
Let&#039;s hope smiling lady is right! I hold my breath until tomorrow....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi RQ,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.netwerk.tv/weblog/index.php?itemid=85" rel="nofollow">http://www.netwerk.tv/weblog/index.php?itemid=85</a></p>
<p>By this link you can see some video images of a dutch adoption-prof, I believe, an american man who knows a lot about adoption form China and a sir Duncan talking about the matter.<br />
Two video&#8217;s are in english.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope smiling lady is right! I hold my breath until tomorrow&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dady2xinand?</title>
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		<dc:creator>dady2xinand?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smiling lady, i totaly agree with you.I come from Holland too and i&#039;m very afraid that they stop International Adoption or put it to hold.Our LID 14 Feb.&#039;06 (is it not ment to be?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smiling lady, i totaly agree with you.I come from Holland too and i&#8217;m very afraid that they stop International Adoption or put it to hold.Our LID 14 Feb.&#8217;06 (is it not ment to be?)</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I echo AmFam&#039;s question above. This is complete news to me, and I feel like I&#039;ve done a decent amount of reading on abandonment in China.  When I google questions around the topic, I mostly get Brian Stuy stuff and AmFam&#039;s blog, heh.

I wonder if that might be a very limited practice or province specific. Anyway, I&#039;d be interested in any further info on that topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo AmFam&#8217;s question above. This is complete news to me, and I feel like I&#8217;ve done a decent amount of reading on abandonment in China.  When I google questions around the topic, I mostly get Brian Stuy stuff and AmFam&#8217;s blog, heh.</p>
<p>I wonder if that might be a very limited practice or province specific. Anyway, I&#8217;d be interested in any further info on that topic.</p>
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		<title>By: smiling lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>smiling lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi RQ,

Thanks for your post about the One-Child-Policy in China. It shows how complex these things are. It shows how different China is from other countries in the world.

Here in The Netherlands everything is very confusing and disturbing after last weeks programm on Dutch television. The reason why the story is not picked up so far is because our government is working on a formal reaction. This reaction will come friday march 14th, when the minister of the Justice Department sends a letter to our parliament. If The Netherlands stops International Adoption from China or puts it on hold, then we have a problem, then we have story and then we have news, bad news.
However I don&#039;t expect this to happen. It would be a shortsighted action, because to me there is no news in the programm. It&#039;s the same story all over again. It&#039;s about the Hunan Scandal with the same people involved as in earlier reports (like the director of an Orphanage Chen Ming).
But the timing of the programm is very good, when you look at it negatively. There is also a discussion going on  whether Dutch Athletes can speak out about the Chinese Human Rights situation when they are in China during the Olympics.
It all adds up and it all influences the general opinion in The Netherlands about China. This is what frightens me the most. I hope our members of parliament and our government will not stop international Adoption from China, just to please the &#039;crowd&#039; and to show that &#039;we&#039; don not approve of China&#039;s policies, rules and laws. But again, I don&#039;t expect this to happen. But if it does, ....... sigh.....

Jeroen1970 explained the content of the Dutch TV-programm very well in the post about de documentary &#039;China&#039;s stolen children&#039;. By yhe way Jeroen: Congratulations. I sincerely hope that all this will not disturb your process of becoming a family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi RQ,</p>
<p>Thanks for your post about the One-Child-Policy in China. It shows how complex these things are. It shows how different China is from other countries in the world.</p>
<p>Here in The Netherlands everything is very confusing and disturbing after last weeks programm on Dutch television. The reason why the story is not picked up so far is because our government is working on a formal reaction. This reaction will come friday march 14th, when the minister of the Justice Department sends a letter to our parliament. If The Netherlands stops International Adoption from China or puts it on hold, then we have a problem, then we have story and then we have news, bad news.<br />
However I don&#8217;t expect this to happen. It would be a shortsighted action, because to me there is no news in the programm. It&#8217;s the same story all over again. It&#8217;s about the Hunan Scandal with the same people involved as in earlier reports (like the director of an Orphanage Chen Ming).<br />
But the timing of the programm is very good, when you look at it negatively. There is also a discussion going on  whether Dutch Athletes can speak out about the Chinese Human Rights situation when they are in China during the Olympics.<br />
It all adds up and it all influences the general opinion in The Netherlands about China. This is what frightens me the most. I hope our members of parliament and our government will not stop international Adoption from China, just to please the &#8216;crowd&#8217; and to show that &#8216;we&#8217; don not approve of China&#8217;s policies, rules and laws. But again, I don&#8217;t expect this to happen. But if it does, &#8230;&#8230;. sigh&#8230;..</p>
<p>Jeroen1970 explained the content of the Dutch TV-programm very well in the post about de documentary &#8216;China&#8217;s stolen children&#8217;. By yhe way Jeroen: Congratulations. I sincerely hope that all this will not disturb your process of becoming a family.</p>
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