January 9th getting louder
The January 9th date as a cut off is getting a little louder. I’m not ready to go to an R4, but it’s now a solid R3. If you aren’t familiar with the Rumor Ratings system I use you can read about it here.
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April 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am
Sure hope, for all those waiting, that this is some sort of April Fools’ Day “joke”. This is frustrating to no end. So sorry for all who are waiting.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:01 am
RQ Thanks for all you do for us here. Not the news we all wanted but it is what it is. I just wonder what the next batch will bring. Can’t wait to read your post on the May batch. Lisa
April 1st, 2008 at 11:06 am
My heart is breaking right now…so saddened by this.
Susan
lid 1/10
April 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
My Agency keeps pressuring me to renew all our Expired paperwork for a Late March LID. I’ve been dragging my feet watching the rate of referalls. At the present rate + the Olympics I still feel all my paperwork will run-out again, and will need to renew ($,$$$) everything again.
Opinions Please.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Unbelievable sad is all I have to say.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:16 am
mom2LK …. ((HUGS))… mine too…
I just want the referrals to come already so we can deal with a reality instead of a probably… I want to move on to dealing with it celebrating with those who did get referrals and next month for us….
April 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am
mom2LK…. ((HUGS))… me too…
I just want to see the referrals come already… I am ready to deal with a reality rather then a probably… I want to celebrate with those of you who did get a referral this time and move on to next month for the rest of us…
April 1st, 2008 at 11:23 am
That’s it! We’re out. We give up. We’ll stay happy with our one. Best wishes to you all!
April 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am
UUUUUUUUUUUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 1st, 2008 at 11:28 am
mom2LK and other 1/10/06 LID’s-
You have one more month to get through. YOU CAN DO IT. And we’ll all help you. It’s 30 days. If you paint the nursery today, you’ll have your referral before the “new paint” smell even goes away. Go to the mall and put some baby clothes on your charge card. You’ll have your referral before the bill comes in. Buy something, anything, that comes in a 30-day supply. When it’s gone, you’ll have your referral. And check in with us everyday for the next 30 days. We’ll all be here for you.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:28 am
I’m not one to wallow BUT… I was hoping for some good news on my birthday. Now not really up to celebrating. LID is the 12th. If the 9th is true, it is not the amount of days but the small batch that scares me. I was prepared for the cutoff being the 11 as the 12th is a large batch. I am more devastated for my daughter. I told her when she was 4 her sister would be here. Next week she turns 5. What do I tell her now when she asks me daily why is it taking so long?According to the RQ poll if next month continues with the same number batch, we would not make next month’s cutoff and then I fear travel will be halted for the Olympics.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:30 am
This is such a small batch… :o(
April 1st, 2008 at 11:30 am
tellmemore can you tell me your LID please? Lisa
April 1st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Mom2LK and all 1/10/06 LID’s-
You have one more month to get through, and YOU CAN DO IT. We’ll all help. It’s 30 days. Paint the nursery today, and you’ll have your referral before the “new paint” smell even goes away. Charge some baby clothes on your credit card, and you’ll have your referral before the bill comes in. Buy a 30-day supply of something, anything, and you’ll have your referral before it’s gone. And check in with us everyday. We’ll all try to keep your spirits up.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am
Lisa, my LID is August ‘06. Hope that helps those after me out.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am
Unreal.
Absurd. I can’t even comprehend the length of time this will take for me…
Lisa
LID: 12.20.06
April 1st, 2008 at 11:50 am
At this point, I am going to assume they will only get through Feb. 06 LIDS in 2008. Anything further will be a happy and welcome surprise.
I will hope that 2009 will get better. That’s all the positive energy I have left to give.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:52 am
How do you all think i feel? My LID is 4/27/07!!!!!!!! I’d be thrilled at this point with an 06 LID.
My faith tells me that i was brought to this process for a reason and i will stick it out.
:::sigh:::
April 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
My Agency keeps pressuring me to renew all our Expired paperwork for a Late March LID. I’ve been dragging my feet watching the rate of referalls. At the present rate + the Olympics I still feel all my paperwork will run-out again, and will need to renew ($,$$$) everything again.
Opinions Please.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I am so confused. Someone said their agency told them not to expect a referral unless they go SN??? Is this true? We have a Jan 07 LID. Am I crazy to expect a referral?
April 1st, 2008 at 12:08 pm
alongwait I am sure we all feel the same way regardless of are LID date is. There is no easy way of waiting for something as dear as a child. Hang in there. Lisa
April 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
My Agency keeps pressuring me to renew all our Expired paperwork for a Late March LID. I’ve been dragging my feet watching the rate of referalls. At the present rate + the Olympics I still feel all my paperwork will run-out again, and will need to renew ($,$$$) everything again.
Opinions Please.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I don’t even know what to say.
Such sad news for everyone waiting.
Erica
April 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
It seems like the Financial Burden of this Massive Slow-Down sits entirely on the shoulders of PAP’s.
…Is this fair? …Should Agencies Share-the-Pain?
Renewing Paperwork (2-3 times) … Increased Donations in China … and so on…
I know Agencies have an interest in keeping parents on-board to collect their additional fees after the referral, so is it unreasonable to start clamoring for a Fee Reduction?
April 1st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
chickensoupforchina,
I agree. I have a feeling they will only start Feb. this year and it will run into 2009. With March so big, I think that will finish off 2009. I am really scared about what someone said about China changing to all SN. Maybe this will come about in January and noone is telling us yet. I have become such a cynical person. I agree with some of you that a “speed up” may never happen. I think they tell us what we want to hear. I will give this until next Spring and see what happens. We don’t owe any more money for updates until April 2009. I think by that point, we will have a clear picture of where we stand. At that point, I may be out. After infertility for years, and this wait I will be at my breaking point.(Sometimes I think I am there). Jan. 07 LID
April 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
This is my first time posting anything so here it goes.my lid is 8/07. Yes we have a very long road ahead.I’ve also been keeping up with all the referrals coming in monthly and riding the roller coaster with all of you close to recieving your referrals.I do know that one thing is certain in life and that is change.I don’t think that there is any easy road through adoption domestic or IA.And I knew going in that that I was in for a ride.Thankyou to those that have gone before us in sharing your journey.We are truly behind you(literally!!!)cheering.Every batch of refrrals gives us hope that things are still rolling in China!
April 1st, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Well, this is worst than my original pessimistic estimate of January 10th. Bugger.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I know our agency is a part of a new online system for waiting children and harder to place waiting children.They have been a part of providing the means and training resources to train the staff at the orphanages on the new computer systems which will help get more sn children paper ready.I have not heard that are moving to only sn adoptions but that they are trying to get more orphanages to get the sn children paper ready.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
It sucks. Big time. I’m so sorry.
This happened last year too. When they did the 2-day referral. I was a shoo-in for my referral. Really. A done deal! But then, the 2-day batch. An unheard of two day batch.
I was a mess. But the 30 days to the next batch went quickly and I finally received my referral on May 2, 2007. I can barely remember the agonizing wait….and I was a lousy waiter. (Thank goodness for RQ and the yahoogroups!!)
Hang in there mid-January LID’s. It’s gruesome to miss it by a day, but you only have to wait a few more weeks. Hopefully.
Snick :)
dd Sunshine 7 in May (Viet Nam)
dd Brilliance 2 in June (China-home last July)
April 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
surely not……just thru the 9th? Such sad news for you all! I am so sorry you are going thru this. I was hoping for more days in January for you 06 LIDs. We waited 20 months and I thought I was going nuts….bless you all for still trying to hang in there and wait.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Wait4ever-
Please don’t give up. My LID is one month after yours, and I believe with everything I am that I have another daughter in China. For some reason, it breaks my heart any time you talk about giving up.
I’m in this for the long haul, and I’ll do whatever I can to help you through it. Just don’t give up.
LID Feb 07
April 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
FindingHope-
Thank you! Your words helped me today :)
We will get past this and look forward to next month, but right now, it stinks.
hugs to everyone that missed the cutoff and everyone with a long wait still ahead of them…
April 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Findinghope,
Your user name is perfect for you! I too appreciate your kind, and hopeful words. I have a Dec. ‘07 LID, and am in this for the long haul, no matter how pitiful the situation is looking right now.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
p12,
We are 3/21/06 and I am in the process of renewing our I600A. We’ve been fingerprinted and got in on the fee waiver but I’m dragging my feet on the renewed homestudy on purpose.
In our area the HS is only valid a year and I don’t won’t to have to renew it yet again. The $$ does keep adding up for all of these renewals so I’m trying to time it right for my budget and my sanity. The paperchase was a nightmare the first time around- now multiply that by 3!!! But hey, third times a charm–URRRGGH.
Hang in there, we are.
How appropriate -spam word USCIS!!
Moonpie
3/21/08
April 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
tellmemore- I am sorry you have reached the end of your line. I hope there are great things for you in the future. Enjoy your one at home!
As for the small batch- I cannot say I am surprised and just keep thinking- atleast it was not a 2 day batch. That batch was a real whopper to get over.
5/29/06
April 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
As my daughter would say, “We’re all in this together” (her favorite song from High School Musical). If my computer had sound, I’d hum a few bars :)
Have a good night everybody.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Come on already, go back and read these post, its agonizing, yeah here we go another 30 days, this should be a cake walk look at how long we all have hung in there. We need to be tje stremgth for those that are following us. I am going to spend the rest of my night on the assembly line in the smoke and heat and noise trying to find 10 good reasons for another 30 days. I STILL DON’T HAVE A NAME
April 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
With an LID of 11-23-07, we too are in it for the long run. I have been vulunteering my time with my sons sports and trying other avenues to keep us busy.
Keep up your head everyone and remember that there is a special reason why we are all here.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
My LID is 1/22/07 and for the past year it has essentially taken one month to clear one week of referrals. I calucated 56 weeks which under the CCAA time line equals 56 months which equals 4.6 more years!!!!
I believe that I have been very patient. I have not broken down in tears, I have not voiced any frustration to others, I have bought some clothes and a crib but today after reading all this I feel completely defeated.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
My Canadian agency just told me the cut-off is the 10 !
April 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
DebL
Hang in there! Break down in tears, voice those frusterations, it is the only way to get through this tough time! You ARE going to makle it and you will hold your baby one day! It DOES happen,
Adomom
April 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Sorry to be so negative in what I am about to say.
This is totally ridiculous what China is doing and in my humble opinion the on thing more ridiculous is the inability for us waiting parent to respond to the the Chinese government in manner that makes them return this program to a reasonable batches.
What they are doing now is a complete inditement of the failure of communism and from the stand point of the children in the orphanages these tiny batches becomes a human rights issue for these kids.
I know everyone is afraid that they will close down the program if we so much as make a peep but I think we can not allow this threat to cause us to be impotent.
In my humble opinion I think the community needs to mobilize itself, our elected leaders and the media to ask/insist that China to the following:
1. Stop accepting new Dossier until the back log is cleared
2. Return to a minimum of 15 days worth of matches per month.
3. Allow the Western adoption agencies to assist them and the orphanages in streamlining the process.
I hope my comments do not offend too many of you but what China is doing is just plan cruel and unnecessary.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
RQ can you look into the canadian agency reporting the cut off of the 10th please. lisa
April 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Lisa What? Is there an agency now saying the 10th is in I gotta know?
April 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
p12, if you let your homestudy expire, can you renew it at any time? And how long do you estimate it will take to get it approved? I’m thinking that if you could, you should wait to renew it. Be sure that doesn’t lose you your space in line, though. Double check with your agency on that. Keeping your place in line is paramount! You’ve put in too much time and money already to screw that up.
My cynical thinking on this referral rate is that China should lower the age of application. Maybe if 15 year olds get their LIDs, they can become parents before they age out!
As for SNs, I have heard rumors (JUST rumors, mind you) that China will refer children with minor or corrected SNs to parents waiting for NSN children and put children with major SNs on the shared SN lists. But how they will determine what is minor is anyone’s guess. I’d be concerned about disruptions if this happens.
While I can believe there are fewer children available for adoption, I still can’t believe the drop-off legitimately came so quickly. I think there are babies going without families, unfortunately. This, while so many wait and wait and wait. It’s sad. No proof–JMHO
April 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
See comment on 10th above from “reglissoly.”
April 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
lightiv,
I’m not at all offended and share your anger. However, the anger should be directed at our agencies and not CCAA. China does not have to refer any of their children to us nor do they have to refer a certain amount of lid days. Years ago there was a quota in place from China and the US agencies squawked about it. They did not want to turn away business. China said fair enough, we won’t tell you how to run your business however you will not dictate to us how many referrals we will send. That will be up to the Chinese government to decide. The agencies were suppose to police themselves. They did not. They got greedy and accepted dossier after dossier. The agencies allowed them to pile up and told their clients to get in line (of course never fully disclosing how long the line really is). They took a tremendous amount of front ended money and now find themselves in finacial straits. Shame on them. Even now, they continue to accept dossiers, accept money from new clients and hide behind their “cya” disclaimer that current wait times are currently 2 years and may increase or decrease at any time. We know for people begining the process the wait time is not 2 years but a minimum of 5 years. The fault lays with the agencies. But people are afraid to show anger towards their agencies for fear of their adoption. They will even get very defensive when people criticize agencies. But in my opinion, that is where all of this lays, at the foot of the agencies.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
lightiv just a few questions about your post #1 why do you think mobilizing would do anything good? #2 Do you think it would be that easy to demand 15 day batches?#3 I don’t think we need any kind of media to insist China has to do anything. I for one think this is a BAD ideal.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Wouldn’t it be possible that the CCAA is starting to divide dates? That could mean that for some agencies, the 10th is included while for others, it’s not. Then, down the road, another agency would get their cut-off date referrals first and so forth.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
sophiajoy08 I didn’t post it regilissoly did. I wish I could help sorry. I posted to RQ about looking into it. Hang in there.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
sorry jaclyn, i disagree that it was somehow the agencies responsibility to control the number of dossiers submitted to china…this would have required hundreds of agencies in almost twenty different countries to get together and then agree on how many each of them could submit…there is just no way that was a practical solution.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Then we agree to disagree Windthrow. I believe the agencies know how many applications are coming in, how many referrals have gone out and how many dossiers were submitted. They knew there was a backlog growing way before their clients knew. They know now that the wait for people submitting today is not going to be 2 years and yet they continue to advertise that. They continue to accept dossiers when really they should not at this time, especially without telling people that at the CURRENT RATE their wait time will be about 7 years. Shame on the agencies!!
April 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
It’s my agency said the cut-off is the 10. Sorry I’m french speaking. Their next group is the 12. My agency talked with his contact in China and he said the cut-off is january 12.
I really hope they are right!
Reglissoly
April 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
But I will add Windthrow, when they sqawked about getting rid of the quota, it would have been difficult to coordinate the # of dossiers submitted, with that I agree. Also, every agency would have had to have been on board. Why should one agency turn away business when another agency would not. But by getting rid of the quota for the sake of business this is what it caused.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Sorry not january 12 but january 10.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
p12-On the expired paperwork, It seems prudent to allow 3-4 months to complete the renewal (thats for Palm Beach County that has had a history of lengthy processing dates in the USCIS office) We join you on the late March 06 dates (congrats on the passing of your 2 yr anniversary…) With what we hoped was a pessimistic 1 week a month projections, we will be lucky to hit the 1st of March 06 by Dec 08, and then likely still have 4-6 months until referral or travel… WoW! So excited about indicating that we are still waiting on another Christmas letter….. As for our household, we already renewed once, prior to the fee waiver on the renewal, so since we paid for the 2nd, we can use our freebie for the 3rd…..UGH! or Booooo! Anyway, clearly this is something to work out with your agency, but I think I would ask for some serious clarification from them regarding the urgency they are feeling!
April 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Reglisolly,
Thank you. At the end of your message above, did you mean to say “…he said the cut-off is January 10″?
April 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
As I read the comments above, I think it’s important not to focus so much on casting blame on China or agencies (though I certainly understand the frustration and emotion that leads to wanting to!). I believe China when they say they are not happy about the wait (and that families will be matched with their child in time), and I think that the majority of agencies try to do the right thing. Mistakes in judgment have been made, to be sure, but I do not believe that the majority of participants in this process (agencies, China or certainly us) expected the wait to balloon as it has.
A very insightful RQ blogger posted a fantastic summary of events leading up to this point - I wish I could find the link. But his/her summary is below, and I think it’s worth re-reading:
“Perfect Storm is a very apt way to describe the complex set of variables that aligned very strongly over a fairly short period of time in the history of this program. CCAA clearly acted too slowly to inhibit applications, and the only sensible reason for this is that they themselves could not forsee how profound and long term the changes inside China would be for the program. Agencies were in most cases clearly asleep at the switch and just doing business as usual (though smart agencies began expanding into other programs as early as middle of 2005). Unknowing families were caught completely uninformed and in many cases completely by their shorts after they were committed to the program. Mind you, in CCAA eyes it is still very successful program, orphanage populations are declining, more SNs children are being adopted, domestic adoption is a very strong growth paradigm inside China. Life is getting better and better for what was once one of the most unfortunate segments of the population, the orphans. Nothing happens overnight of course, but quality fo life for orphans in China is movind up and to the right more every day. We are fortunate to be able to play a small role in the progress. At the same time, we have to be mindful that the program does not exist for us, it exists for China’s orphans, and as progress is made for them, IA has an end of life date stamp on it somewhere on the horizon in China — not tomorrow, probably not for years, but someday.”
April 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I have been reading this site for over a year now. This is my first post. I am so disappointed in the 9th, or even the 10th, being the next cut off. With 6/20/07 as our LID, it’s nearly impossible to keep the faith.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
This IS ridiculous! Anyone with an LID in late 06 or in 07 has a long wait. It would be fine if I were younger, but at 42….I don’t think a 5 to 8 year wait is healthy–emotionally–for us or the child!
Looking into donestic now, but haven;t officially pulled out of CHina yet…
LID 3/20/07
April 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Can anyone guess as to when referrals will be mailed?
April 1st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
I consider myself very lucky that my LID is right around the corner but for all of you guys with the far off dates I really feel for you. I kind of think that a lot of families with other alternatives – eligible to adopt from another country, etc. – may drop out of the China program allowing it to speed up for the remaining folks. I’ve never really understood why the big slow down. It’s incredible.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Jaclyn is right, it was up to the agencies to police themselves. If it was up to China they would of kept the quota in place. With the new regs the backlog has essentially cleared unfortunately it will be a while before that is seen in referral rate.
April 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Jaclyn,
I agree. We went to our agency May of 2006 to sign up. It is plain to see that referrals were more than a year behind at that point. They just started ‘06 now!! Even if the current wait time was 12 months, how long did people think it would take before the wait time got longer and longer. They had, in my opinion, an obligation to tell us! They new this was our first baby and we suffered years of infertility. I hope they have as much trouble sleeping at night as I do. Three weeks after we signed up for China, an old friend called us to let a know her friend was looking for birthparents for her child. I said “No”, because we would be getting our baby in a year and we just paid $4000.00 to sign with the agency. Now, I keep thinking back to this. Also, maybe we should have tried invitro-fertilization. I am so confused. I have been in tears all day.
LID 1-17-07
April 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I Believe, I believe, I believe……the power of everyone to equal 1…1 more day that is so that the 10th is in. Then I can selfishly say we are next!!!!
Common’ CCAA….just a little hint which will make our day. Spam word China…and that’s where our little one is. Not giving up now.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
…you know I really had my heart set on 8-10 days of movement in LID’s from China…we received a phone call today that a good friend passed away in the night of a heart attack of the age of 53…..if China moves only 5 days this month….that’s ok….three less days we can live without…our friend has no “more” days…it is all about perspective…we have waited this long what is three move days…
April 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Given this as the current pace, those who have LIDs up till June or July 06 will be looking at an additional 3 year wait making their wait time 5 years. Those in or after December will be looking at up to 7 year wait. If an agency is advertising less than this I would wonder if it constitutes fraud. My other concern is how many agency are going to survive this once it becomes more common knowledge
April 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I believe the perfect storm scenario is missing one element-China wanting to “save face” and not be the baby supplier of the world.
Some do hold to the conviction that all the NSN babies that are abandoned are getting a family. I don’t believe that is what is happening. Chinese families need more than to pay an adoption fee, it costs money to feed, cloth and educate children.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Longwait,
I brought this up a few months ago. I have a feeling when people ask for their $$ back, and an agency says “No”, how long before a lawyer gets involved?? To me, not disclosing the wait is fraud. Like I said, back in 2006, the referrals were backed up over a year. We were not told. Now, some agencies still say the wait is 24-30 months. WHAT??? I will give things until Spring 2009. I owe no more money for updates until then. If they are still on February the Spring of ‘09, I am done with this. I will lose no more sleep, cry no more tears and I need to get on with life.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Hey reglissoly,
Thanks so much for posting what your agency told you. That is great news–hope this is true!
~CChips
April 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Yet another not so happy bit of news- my agency told me that I should not expect to travel within the next 12 months with an LID of 4-25-06. To many this is no surprise, but to any holding out hope - I’m sorry. I have been doing travel visas for a family trip to China next month and wanted to see if I could save $800 by getting a multi-entry visa and was told not to waste the effort.
Between the cost of the visas and the news, blech! We are almost out of the race like so many others. What a fiasco.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
It was ridiculous to think that the agencies would ‘police’ themselves. I had heard that the CCAA had asked the adoption agencies to be more selective with applicants when the agencies did not do this. They kept taking applicants and our money stating the wait is 9 months. I remember getting our LID and that allowed us to get our agencies updates…I kept thinking how is the wait 9-12 months when it is Feb 2007 and the CCAA is still working on Sept 2005??? It took at least 6 months when it dawned on me that the wait will not be 12 or even 24 months, but at least 4 years. I felt like I was lied to and I don’t care how my agency ’spins’ it; I believe they were not truthful.
My agency got upset when I alluded that this is a business and we would be fools if we did not acknowledge that agencies only exist w/ our applications and money. I some what agree w/ the need for recourse. It is frustrating to know we have no voice,but each others
April 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Hi,
Every end of each month we wish that China will surprise us in a positive way ….. but they alway let us down……
April 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm
For those of you who have a very long wait ahead of you, I would encourage you to look into China special needs adoption. There are children available who have very minor and/or correctable needs and who are just as precious and cute as non-special needs children. And you do not ever have to pull out of the traditional program until you have a special needs referral so there is nothing lost. Of course there are many children with major needs and not every family is able to accept those, but there are so many with very minimal needs. We were just looking into a little girl who had had open heart surgery a year ago but was completely healthy now. She went to another family but we are anticipating a referral at the very, very longest within the next year, probably closer to 6 months. Please, for all of you who so badly want to be a mother and father, consider this route.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Not to be more of a downer here, but I truly believe that anyone that believes that travel will continue (let alone referrals, Ta’s etc) during the olympics is kidding themselves and being very naive, I hope I’m wrong. China is so invested in how this comes off, that adoptions are going to take a major league back seat IMHO. I have friends that just got their permits to mountain climb in Nepal revoked, they were not going to be anywhere near the current Tibet unrest/violence. I know that that is a whole other ballgame, but I really wonder if they are not trying to keep ALL non related traffic to a minimum leading up to this event. The press that is starting to rise in relation to human rights is getting louder and louder and China is going to try and squash it as much as possible. I think a mind set by PAP’s that nothing IA related will occur during that time period is a must do to maintain any semblence of sanity. Sorry, really JMO. It makes me sick to think about this mess snowballing even farther than it already has.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm
An indictment on the failure of communism is not only a stretch but is in violation of the no politics rule on this site.
Puhlease!!!!!
That is a stretch.
This wait does things to you that is just not right and it is the hardest thing you may ever endure for any duration but a failure of communism?????????????
AW
April 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm
I just wish someone somewhere could just be straight with us. I am sick of all these vague responses .. if you wait, there will be baby, the wait time can increase to possibly four years - four years from WHAT!! Our LID, today, this year!!! We did what we were supposed to do, crossed every t and dotted every i and paid all of the money that was due and here we sit with a LID of 4/07 feelikg like a fool. I wanted to pull out and switch and even sent our application fee of $300 to another agency, but I have put that on hold to. I feel so angry and frustrated, and I wish I could be gracious and patient, but we made the decision to adopt two years ago yesterday (how ironic on April Fool’s Day).
April 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
as a June 07 LID, my 4 year old will be graduating HS before we ever see a referral!
April 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
we too have looked elsewhere, not to pull out, but to do in interim…our original hope was to adopt twice from China, SOOOOO we put a dossier in Vietnam, and guess what, after THOUSANDS of dollars paid there, we won’t see that child either as that program will more than likely close Sept 1…So now what! we are now looking to foster adopt some kiddos that need homes NOW! almost all the international programs are now saying 1-2 yrs wait, and there are kiddos that need us yesterday
April 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Loud, no one has heard loud until they hear me scream……I’m tired, frustrated and extremely in a “don’t get in my way” mood today. We are not able to change from NSN to SN, we are not able to do an interim adoption at the same time, we have limited available children domestically, we have limited programms available, we are aging, we have had to do updates, more money out than in at times, a teenager who was little enough to be a big brother to a sibling when we started but now does not know how he’ll handle things, a boss who is getting twitchy about having to keep eyes out for a replacement but does not know when to put them on, and the list goes on……….but WE ARE NOT LETTING GO of our red thread end……no matter how frayed it is getting. Ahhhhh that feels better. And no cussing either!!
April 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm
From what I have read (just skimmed) elsewhere on this site. Letting your paperwork expire could case you problems with the new Hague rules. You would be required to file new paperwork and your adoption would fall under the new Hague rules. If you renew you remain grandfathered in with the pre Hague rules. I also think I read somewhere that we all might be required to do additional paperwork anyway so who knows.
Our agency did not charge us for the home-study update.
We have a March 22 LID we renewed everything last spring. Our local INS lost everything and we where not officially renewed until October 07. It worked out to our benefit though, our prints will expire this summer but we probably will make it without renewing paperwork again.
April 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pm
In reference to Hauge and INS paperwork, I was delaying renewing our INS paperwork hoping not to do it for a third time as well since as we all know every step of adoption costs money. Our agency did get Hauge accreditation and we were told if we didn’t have INS form and money paid before 3/31/08 we wouldn’t be allowed to continue with our adoption. It’s my understanding if your agency received Hauge accreditation then it’s not an issue. More stress to add to the wait.
I’m still hoping to May/June 2009 time frame for a child with our 03/06 LID.
I’m very thankful to have this site though. It does help not to be completely in the dark!
April 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Recently I heard from my mil that a couple they know are in the process of submitting their paperwork for a China adoption. Their agency told them 12 months to referral. I told her to please have the couple question their agency and gave them the address of this site. They insisted their agency has a “special” connection and they will adoption their child in a year.
It’s sad that not all agencies are being upfront and realistic. Last December one person in my agency told me 6 months until referral (w/ a 3/17/06 LID). I knew enough from this site that the comment was completely unrealistic and “called” my agency on this information. So thanks again Rumor Queen! With two little ones I don’t know how you keep up with everything.
April 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Oops That was March 22 06 Lid for us
April 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm
jaclyn
In regard to US agencies telling China to not impose quotas I think the results show one of the downsides of capitalism.
I think at a minimum the US needs to self impose a quota but I think capitalism will interfere so it is better for China to impose. Our LID is June 22, 2006 and we were told “approximately” 13 months from LID to referral. Now I think someone above is estimating up to 36 months for June/July 06 LIDs.
It should be mandatory that agencies have to use a formula that estimates when a family will receive a referral after LID. I memory serves me correctly that formula should be:
(30 Days) divided by the (Average Days Being Referred per Month) times (Total Months Until Your LID) = (Total Month Until Referral).
This way families would know what they are getting into as far as waits go.
My object is to get thing to reasonable levels. (I know who defines reasonable.)
April 1st, 2008 at 11:32 pm
My heart goes out to everyone and your suffering. I am so sorry for your pain. I know you want to blame someone, it is human nature but there really is no one to blame. CCAA is not to blame, the orphanages are not to blame, even your agencies are not to blame. It is a systematic slowdown and nothing can be changed at this point or it would have been. I have walked in your shoes through a two year wait from LID to referral for a NSN adoption and have ached just the same.
Take a deep breath, cry and get up tomorrow knowing that the program is still active. Your baby IS waiting! You will meet her/him one day!
Adomom
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am
thanks, adomom. for every thousand or so people cursing the program right now, there will be one or two people singing its praises in a few days when referrals come in.
people seem to loose sight of that little factoid as they trash china’s program: every single month, babies find homes and families find babies. not as quickly as we would like. but like clockwork. slow clockwork, yes…but like clockwork.
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 am
oh adomon, I couldn’t disagree with you more!
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 am
Lightiv
I hate to say it but an agency can only tell clients how long the current month’s referral batch folks waited. They have no idea how many referrals CCAA will send out from one month to the next. It could go up or down at any time. And how do they know where in line are the US couples and the couples from other countries? Some months may have a disproportionate number of people from Europe or Australia.
I really think that people read “the current wait is x months” as how many months a person starting now will wait, but that is incorrect. They mean to tell how many months the current referral group waited. Either my agency was really well at wording or maybe I was really into asking a lot of questions but I never had an a idea that the wait would only be x amount. I only knew it could be x amount.
I was a victim of the 2 day batch last spring when we should have gotten our referral after almost 2 years waiting. It took another 2 months for them to get to us.
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:02 am
Its 3 a.m. I just got home from work hoping that I would be reading good news for some, instead I have found nothing but people blasting their agencies, China, and the CCAA. Why does it always have to be someones fault, why can’t it just happen this way. I am really sad to see such anger. For those of you thinking of other countries Russia is an awesome program, beautiful countries rich in all types of children. Southern Russia is close to China and Kazakstan, I saw many asian children in the orphanages, Fireflykids shows all the orphanages and you would be shocked at how many availble children there are. I understand Poland and Bulgaria is becoming popular. I did four russian adoptions in seven months start to finish. If a child is your dream you have to be persistanat. Thats not to say its easy and programs wont change. I don’t think I have heard of a program that hasn’t I know its great to vent but lets be kind, we are not owed these children they are a gift. I wonder what its like to be the rep for the agency and have 60 or so clients with an lid date getting close, I imagine this is very frustrating for them also
April 2nd, 2008 at 4:44 am
Somedayadaughter,
yes it would be great to go SN and stay in line for original referral, but many countries CAN NOT DO THIS.
We have no choice but to stay in line, or get out.
We deal with Govt Depts, not agencies, there is no other way for us. I get so fed up when I hear this time and time again.
Sorry I am just feeling down, with Sept 06 LID.
This will be my 1st Child and i am 46 and could age out.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
April 2nd, 2008 at 5:02 am
mtonkinson, This is fine if you can change programs, but many of us can’t. Many of us don’t even have an opening to the Russian or Kazakstan programs because of the country in which we reside. 4 adoptions in 7months is that per child with a 1 year gap or 4 in 7months total? Either way you are very blessed.
How can one be “kind” to the agency sides when so many of them are blatantly lying to their clients. Maybe we should all take your lead, and kindness will come….with being a Mom.
In the interim, I think anger, frustration and the like will prevail for many.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:11 am
I know this is hard!!! Believe me I do. My DH and I have a lid of 4/4/06, we were just as disappointed. We really feel bad for the 1/10-1/13 LID, because I am sure your hopes were flying high. Just hang in there and you know that you will be within the next couple of months. Good Luck to all!
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:31 am
I adopted two children from southern Russia in 2000 the my second son who was just three in 2004 and my fourth son in 2005. Seven months from the day I filed my Ins form. My first agency wouldn’t due a china adoption for me because of my age. I am now hitting 47 and the dh is all gray now. This wait has been so hard but I need to be a example for my kids. If I had opted to quit at any time, what would they think. I don’t need to feed their insecurity. I don’t want to defend the agencies, but I can only hold them accountable for what they control. I was reading an agency rating site the other day and was stunned by all the information on it. I was also stunned about an agency posing as a dissatisfied customer and lambasting EAC who I had such wonderful results with in Russia. If you like to do some intresting reading this is it. I have just seen Guatemala change and now they are Hague approved with the Us effective April 1st. And Viet nam open and close. I am hearing of the Phillipines and Taiwan,I believe Cambodia is down and it saddens me daily that the children of Romania have just been forgotten. I have friends that have done other countries some with snags some without. Am I tired of waiting? Yes! But I remind myself daily. HAD WE DONE ONE THING SOONER OR DIFFERENT WITH ANY OF OUR KIDS, I MAY HAVE NOT KNOWN THE FOUR I HAVE NOW. I thank God everyday for them, even as their tearing the house apart. I feel fortunate that after two rounds of Ivf I didn’t shed a tear, I chose to opt out for a guarantee, and I believe this was my destiny. I want so badly for things to pick up for everyone, and the world to be a better place. If anyone wants information that I can help them with I am willing.
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Anyone has information on expedited applications? There’s been no expedited matches since 12/07.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
it sucks !!!!
lid 2007-08-02