What are the news, then? Longing forward to reading a post on this touchy issue.

Regards

I have read most of the posts – some aren’t very nice. Others have very good points and although they might not be what I want to hear, they aren’t condescending in their tone. Let’s remember that there are people typing these posts. To hurl insults or to question one’s intentions is just adding insult to injury. No one should tell someone they are wrong to feel the way they are feeling. Why is it that PAP’s are such easy targets for so many people – even other adoptive parents? As far as finding someone or something to blame, it’s human nature. It’s an attempt at making sense of the nonsensical.

As far as China not having any blame in this process, I can’t completely agree with this statement. I am with an agency, which has thankfully been upfront about the wait times, although it hasn’t made it any easier. Had they been dishonest I probably would be angry but I have decided to accept what I cannot change. As to the idea that the wait is soley the agencies fault because they continue to send dossiers in the face of this huge backlog, I have one question…who’s accepting them?

Yet – I have been involved with China adoption since Nov 1996, was DTC for my first from China in 1999, and home with her 9 months later in Oct 2000. At the time we’d been DTC (no LIDs in 1999 yet), the wait was also about 6 months, and grew as I waited.

Historically, China adoption has had times of slowdowns and speedups – but absolutely none were because of THIS situation, one of many more people applying than China expected ((BECAUSE they’d just lifted a quota not long before, and expect the agencies to police themselves)) at the very same time China chose to ramp down the NSN program… likely because of the Hague, which has IA as a LAST resort.

China HAS been telling the agencies for the past year and a half that things are slow, gonna get slow, and there’s a HUGE backlog.

Yet, our agencies continued to send in dossiers in droves.

China’s said if we’re willing to WAIT – and the wait will be long – that we’ll get a baby in the end. NOT a baby of a certain age, but that they will honor our REQUEST for one of their children, and IF we meet their criteria, we will get a child. China’s also said that if you aren’t willing to be patient and wait, China adoption is not right for you.

If your agency didn’t choose to be upfront about increasing wait times, that’s not China’s fault. There are STILL agencies out there spouting off about “speedups” and the wait about 2 years. They’re LIARS. Not CCAA or China – but the agencies who either cannot or will not read not just the writing that’s been on the wall for going on 2 yrs now, but the actual words CCAA has come out and said.

I wanted to pass along to you the CCAA’s 2005 representations to the public regarding projected wait times.

Date of Post：November 29th, 2005 　　Source：CCAA

Recently, there are many speculations on the waiting time period for adoption process for inter-country adoption coming to China to adopt children. The following will help clarify such concerns:

the length of processing time after adoptive family apply for their application is correlated with the number of inter-country adopting families and the number with the adopting children waiting to be adopted. If the number of adoptive families is higher than the number of children to be adopted, the waiting period will be extended, on the other hand, if the number of children waiting for adoption out numbers the number of adoptive families, then the waiting period will be shortened. Therefore, the waiting period for adoptive families will vary according to this and not due to inefficiency or other controlling factors.

Your situation is not the same as mine. I was told “6-9 months” after LID. If China was going to change the rules in the middle of the game-they should at least give a warning ON THEIR END. To this day, the CCAA or any other Chinese Gov. has FAILED to do this so dont write things that are incorrect. Sure, they MIGHT have told some of the agencies the wait was increasing but how will we ever know that? It is WRONG, RUDE, MEAN, DISRESPECTFUL and yes, even disgusting to me! It is my right to think and feel however I want and yes, I do feel they OWE the kids.

Again, I did NOT say the owe ME. They owe decency, human rights, justice and fairness to every child born in that country wether they are SN, NSN, abandoned, adopted, fostered, orphaned or kept by their biological parents. All they have to do is the tell the truth-but according to you, the “secret” is out-then spell it out-SAY IT. Tell me it will be another year, another year 1/2-at this point it does not matter…..I just want the truth. If you really think that there are more waiting parents than children, SN or otherwise waiting than children waiting for homes, you need to take a history class or take a trip to China.

With that said-I support everyone on this post and I do not think anyone should give up if they are logged-in but I do think that agencies should be honest. The truth is, this could all change tomorrow. None of us really know what will happen. I will wait 10 years if I have to and its not because I have to-its because I WANT to.

Also, to whoever wrote “If the issues that arise from adopting from China are getting you so worked up, maybe you shouldn’t be adopting from China”: maybe you should take a psychology class. We all have the right to vent and feel-& somedays it hurts and feels bad. That is a part of what this site is for too. I feel for everyone waiting-wether you have kids or not, wether you are LID 2006 or 2008-our pain is the same because we are all human and should treat each other as such. Just because someone gets upset does NOT mean they should not be adopting from China-how rude to say that. We have a right to be upset-our agency never told us that the wait really flucuated that much-when the increase started-it hit us like a ton of bricks. We were rookies and did not realize that China would make a move like this! We still do not know why they would do this-every idea on here is a theory-not truth.

Happy Friday to everyone and to FINDING HOPE-hang in there! You ARE going to be a mom and all of this stuff will one day be just a memory-hang in there! I beleive China will do the right thing for everyone!

It’s not that I’m opposed to Brian’s conclusions (we DID switch to SN and wouldn’t adopt NSN again)… but this bit of research just doesn’t support his conclusions of huge waiting lists at all orphanages.

No, you are not the only one that feels China should stop taking applications. We know for certain that agencies will not police themselves if there is a buck to be made, history has shown us that. I am disgusted that ANY agency would take even one dollar from anyone for a China adoption in this horrifically uncertain climate! They are going to wind up with egg on their faces again because of greed! You might think that agencies would get a clue and direct PAPs elsewhere. I will not be surprised to hear that the decision makers in China once again sat around a table shaking their heads in wonderment, that the agencies were warned, but refused to heed warnings. History may repeat itself if agencies are expected to police themselves.

Brian Stuy is doing a lot of behind the scenes work right now. He is getting things stirred up and he is working to get the media involved. There have been conversations about this on the forum here for a month or more, and on other YahooGroups for longer than that. I’m not informing most of you about this, most of you have known about it and worried about it for some time. Brian is telling parents they should not wait for a NSN child, but only a SN child. He is putting parents on guilt trips for waiting in line. I find that position to be inflammatory and damaging.

What I’m trying to do is get to the bottom of the firestorm he is stirring up. If there is something there (and there are parents who believe there are) then this needs to go through the correct channels. If there is a problem then yes, it should be investigated.

That’s all I’m trying to do, get this going into official channels before we see something about it on the evening news that could be damaging.

Hunan showed us that paying finders for babies did not mean a core problem with the system. Maybe we are looking at the same kind of thing here, paying finders because if you don’t compensate them for a day of questioning by the police and submitting to a gynecological exam then no one will report a found baby.

But the fact of the matter is that paying the finders is a slippery slope. Maybe the babies being brought in now were really found, but it leaves the door open for people to see a way to kidnap babies in one province and report them “found” in another province as a way to make money. It’s a slippery slope that no one wants to see happening. So if it is happening then it needs to be investigated and stopped.

As I’ve said before, there are too many orphanages in this process for every one of them to be doing everything exactly as they should be. If one or several of them are doing things that are not by the book then it needs to be reported. If someone wants to get information to me then send it to me. If you don’t want to give me the orphanage name then at least give me the first initial of the orphanage and the province. If they’ve all got the same initials it doesn’t mean they are necessarily the same, but if they have different initials then I’ll know for sure they are different. Which is better than not having any way of knowing at all, at this point.