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		<title>By: Rubyz</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/01/and-now-it-is-july-2/#comment-55155</link>
		<dc:creator>Rubyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an adult adoptee, a bio mom and an adoptive mom....this would definitely interest me.  I would love it if you could find some adult adoptees who can share both positives AND negatives.  I know even among those of us who are adopted domestically, we can share vastly different viewpoints on our experiences.  It seems easy to find those who want to vent their negatives....and we can always learn something from those.  But, I know some adult adoptees from Vietnam from the early 70's who genuinely are so positive and share their memories of when they flew to the US, not knowing where they were going....eating fried chicken for the first time, etc.  Maybe they were very sheltered, maybe they are the "exception to the rule"....I don't know.  But we can also learn from the positive things their parents did for them to have this kind of story too.  So, I would be interested as long as it is a well-rounded forum of adult adoptees.  Thanks for all you do bring to light here on the RQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an adult adoptee, a bio mom and an adoptive mom&#8230;.this would definitely interest me.  I would love it if you could find some adult adoptees who can share both positives AND negatives.  I know even among those of us who are adopted domestically, we can share vastly different viewpoints on our experiences.  It seems easy to find those who want to vent their negatives&#8230;.and we can always learn something from those.  But, I know some adult adoptees from Vietnam from the early 70&#8217;s who genuinely are so positive and share their memories of when they flew to the US, not knowing where they were going&#8230;.eating fried chicken for the first time, etc.  Maybe they were very sheltered, maybe they are the &#8220;exception to the rule&#8221;&#8230;.I don&#8217;t know.  But we can also learn from the positive things their parents did for them to have this kind of story too.  So, I would be interested as long as it is a well-rounded forum of adult adoptees.  Thanks for all you do bring to light here on the RQ.</p>
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		<title>By: GrasshopperDreams</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/01/and-now-it-is-july-2/#comment-55137</link>
		<dc:creator>GrasshopperDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea.

I agree with the suggests that keeps blog comments off and responses in the private forum. I know as an AP, I need to hear the voices and options of adult adoptees, whatever they have to say within RQs rules, more than they need to hear from me. 

I want to listen and learn, not justify my actions and beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea.</p>
<p>I agree with the suggests that keeps blog comments off and responses in the private forum. I know as an AP, I need to hear the voices and options of adult adoptees, whatever they have to say within RQs rules, more than they need to hear from me. </p>
<p>I want to listen and learn, not justify my actions and beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: arw</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/01/and-now-it-is-july-2/#comment-55136</link>
		<dc:creator>arw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need more book reviews of vampire serials.</description>
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		<title>By: airforcehon</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/01/and-now-it-is-july-2/#comment-55129</link>
		<dc:creator>airforcehon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who has never had the opportunity to speak with an adult who was adopted from China, reading the words of an adoptee means a lot to me. I expect some bias - it's a different perspective than mine. Thicker skin has been my current concern. Help me grow some. Help me learn what hurts so I can help my child avoid it. Help me learn what works so I can help my child experience it.

If the comments are turned off it would be fine with me. IMHO, the discussion should then be moved to the private forum. The blog stays cleaner and there's no disjointed discussion from blog to forum, blah, blah... not that I'd tell you what to do, RQ : ^ "

Thanks for every moment you spend with your community.
M...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who has never had the opportunity to speak with an adult who was adopted from China, reading the words of an adoptee means a lot to me. I expect some bias - it&#8217;s a different perspective than mine. Thicker skin has been my current concern. Help me grow some. Help me learn what hurts so I can help my child avoid it. Help me learn what works so I can help my child experience it.</p>
<p>If the comments are turned off it would be fine with me. IMHO, the discussion should then be moved to the private forum. The blog stays cleaner and there&#8217;s no disjointed discussion from blog to forum, blah, blah&#8230; not that I&#8217;d tell you what to do, RQ : ^ &#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for every moment you spend with your community.<br />
M&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: oneblessedfamily</title>
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		<dc:creator>oneblessedfamily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this idea!!!  Let's do it!!! I look forward to hearing everything!</description>
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		<title>By: ashkum</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/01/and-now-it-is-july-2/#comment-55105</link>
		<dc:creator>ashkum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a fantastic idea, RQ!  Of course, we all know that our children won't be little for long and WILL grow up and become adult adoptees.  Adult adoptee thoughts and blogs are out there - it is just that many (not all, but many) APs choose not to listen to them.  Bringing their voices here would be terrific.
Though even the most moderate of adult adoptee bloggers are likely to say something that strikes APs the wrong way. 
 
Finding a way for the adult adoptees to be heard is tricky...even on the forum it is clear that APs don't want to open their hearts and listen to hard words from adoptees.  Gosh knows I've felt that backlash, and when my comments have been mild they have been ignored.
This is partly why adult adoptees have that reputation for being angry - but is not always about being angry about our adoption, it is often being angry about not being heard.

And Cathy is very correct in noticing that adult adoptees can often be hurt by listening to APs...I've expressed that on the forum and was given a harsh spanking for it.  And I'd also expressed it previously on a more private thread...commenting that when PAPs talk about being jealous of pregnant women or avoiding friends and family who are pregnant...well, as an adoptee I hear that as confirmation that biology IS most important and that adoption IS second best (otherwise why would you care if someone else got pregnant? why would it matter? are you really not over the dream of a genetically related child?)  I get that there is more to the pregnancy issue than that - but I hear such things through my filter as an adoptee.  I think more parents need to know how we adoptees process our lives and experiences - and the parents need to suck it up and put away their defensiveness.  JUST LISTEN.
(nobody ever said having children would be easy - this is one of the not so easy parts....)

I might suggest shutting off the comments for the adult adoptee posts....just let the bloggers share their thoughts and let the APs sit with it for some time.  (Really, why do people have to constantly 'comment' about things anyhow?)Perhaps a commentless post would provide a good exercise in simple listening.  And if people feel the need to comment, well , start a topic on the forum...that seems fair enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a fantastic idea, RQ!  Of course, we all know that our children won&#8217;t be little for long and WILL grow up and become adult adoptees.  Adult adoptee thoughts and blogs are out there - it is just that many (not all, but many) APs choose not to listen to them.  Bringing their voices here would be terrific.<br />
Though even the most moderate of adult adoptee bloggers are likely to say something that strikes APs the wrong way. </p>
<p>Finding a way for the adult adoptees to be heard is tricky&#8230;even on the forum it is clear that APs don&#8217;t want to open their hearts and listen to hard words from adoptees.  Gosh knows I&#8217;ve felt that backlash, and when my comments have been mild they have been ignored.<br />
This is partly why adult adoptees have that reputation for being angry - but is not always about being angry about our adoption, it is often being angry about not being heard.</p>
<p>And Cathy is very correct in noticing that adult adoptees can often be hurt by listening to APs&#8230;I&#8217;ve expressed that on the forum and was given a harsh spanking for it.  And I&#8217;d also expressed it previously on a more private thread&#8230;commenting that when PAPs talk about being jealous of pregnant women or avoiding friends and family who are pregnant&#8230;well, as an adoptee I hear that as confirmation that biology IS most important and that adoption IS second best (otherwise why would you care if someone else got pregnant? why would it matter? are you really not over the dream of a genetically related child?)  I get that there is more to the pregnancy issue than that - but I hear such things through my filter as an adoptee.  I think more parents need to know how we adoptees process our lives and experiences - and the parents need to suck it up and put away their defensiveness.  JUST LISTEN.<br />
(nobody ever said having children would be easy - this is one of the not so easy parts&#8230;.)</p>
<p>I might suggest shutting off the comments for the adult adoptee posts&#8230;.just let the bloggers share their thoughts and let the APs sit with it for some time.  (Really, why do people have to constantly &#8216;comment&#8217; about things anyhow?)Perhaps a commentless post would provide a good exercise in simple listening.  And if people feel the need to comment, well , start a topic on the forum&#8230;that seems fair enough.</p>
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		<title>By: anita s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>anita s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mixed emotions.  I'm about to get my referral any day, and ideas which are negative may be hard medicine for me to take right now.  I don't want my joy squelched; not right now anyway.

However, I did once read a blog called "Twice the Rice" and it really opened my eyes to a perspective I hadn't thought of before.  This woman especially had a strong feeling against using that China "ultrasound" picture that so many people use on their adoption blogs.  After reading that, I decided against using that in my adoption posts/announcements.  So I believe that other perspectives, no matter how difficult to swallow, is really good.  I want to prevent anything I can from negatively affecting my daughter and be prepared to help her through her losses that I cannot prevent or change..

I would also be interested in hearing from adoptees about their preference of a name.  I've heard many scenarios about Chinese/Korean adults not being believed that they are who they are because their last name is not Chinese/Korean.  I've wondered if we should keep the Chinese name as a middle name just so that they have some identity that a school teacher, doctor's office, etc. would realize when they call the name that they are looking for an Asian rather than looking right over their head to the white people in the room.

If things get too harsh for to take, we can always just log off, right?

Thanks for listening,
LID 1/25/06!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed emotions.  I&#8217;m about to get my referral any day, and ideas which are negative may be hard medicine for me to take right now.  I don&#8217;t want my joy squelched; not right now anyway.</p>
<p>However, I did once read a blog called &#8220;Twice the Rice&#8221; and it really opened my eyes to a perspective I hadn&#8217;t thought of before.  This woman especially had a strong feeling against using that China &#8220;ultrasound&#8221; picture that so many people use on their adoption blogs.  After reading that, I decided against using that in my adoption posts/announcements.  So I believe that other perspectives, no matter how difficult to swallow, is really good.  I want to prevent anything I can from negatively affecting my daughter and be prepared to help her through her losses that I cannot prevent or change..</p>
<p>I would also be interested in hearing from adoptees about their preference of a name.  I&#8217;ve heard many scenarios about Chinese/Korean adults not being believed that they are who they are because their last name is not Chinese/Korean.  I&#8217;ve wondered if we should keep the Chinese name as a middle name just so that they have some identity that a school teacher, doctor&#8217;s office, etc. would realize when they call the name that they are looking for an Asian rather than looking right over their head to the white people in the room.</p>
<p>If things get too harsh for to take, we can always just log off, right?</p>
<p>Thanks for listening,<br />
LID 1/25/06!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MattandHeather</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattandHeather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Cathy, that's why you get to have your own opinion, right?  Maybe it would be enlightening or enriching, but I'd rather get the information from someone who can present the AA from several different perspectives.   I'm just afraid, based on previous other touchy subjects, that if you invited someone to speak on behalf of the AA's and you didn't have any guidelines for them and they do begin to get harsh with some of their comments then yes it could get ugly.  
My DW and I have no children as of yet, we are waiting for our LID of 9/20/06 to get here in a hurry.  So maybe it's my fault for not wanting to read comments on this blog from an AA that might start getting into harsh examples of how they were raised, etc... when I don't even have a child yet!!   

And yes, Tarnish - to detract from or spoil.  That's what it would do for me IF someone came on here without the guidelines/rules that we have to follow and began to discuss their experiences.  It wouldn't ruin this RQ blog for me, it would just detract from it a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Cathy, that&#8217;s why you get to have your own opinion, right?  Maybe it would be enlightening or enriching, but I&#8217;d rather get the information from someone who can present the AA from several different perspectives.   I&#8217;m just afraid, based on previous other touchy subjects, that if you invited someone to speak on behalf of the AA&#8217;s and you didn&#8217;t have any guidelines for them and they do begin to get harsh with some of their comments then yes it could get ugly.<br />
My DW and I have no children as of yet, we are waiting for our LID of 9/20/06 to get here in a hurry.  So maybe it&#8217;s my fault for not wanting to read comments on this blog from an AA that might start getting into harsh examples of how they were raised, etc&#8230; when I don&#8217;t even have a child yet!!   </p>
<p>And yes, Tarnish - to detract from or spoil.  That&#8217;s what it would do for me IF someone came on here without the guidelines/rules that we have to follow and began to discuss their experiences.  It wouldn&#8217;t ruin this RQ blog for me, it would just detract from it a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"tarnished... be careful... harmed"? 
Wow Matt, I would use the words enlightened, enriched, prepared.
Adult adoptees have the insight that we need to understand adoption in order to move forward with our adoptions in a way that is healthy.
I agree with RQ that it can be a painful journey to listen and learn from AA's however it is also one that pays off deeply and I am soooo grateful that the AA's still take the time to share their words and experiences! I would bet that it can be quite painful for them to listen to us at the best of times!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tarnished&#8230; be careful&#8230; harmed&#8221;?<br />
Wow Matt, I would use the words enlightened, enriched, prepared.<br />
Adult adoptees have the insight that we need to understand adoption in order to move forward with our adoptions in a way that is healthy.<br />
I agree with RQ that it can be a painful journey to listen and learn from AA&#8217;s however it is also one that pays off deeply and I am soooo grateful that the AA&#8217;s still take the time to share their words and experiences! I would bet that it can be quite painful for them to listen to us at the best of times!!</p>
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		<title>By: MattandHeather</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/01/and-now-it-is-july-2/#comment-55085</link>
		<dc:creator>MattandHeather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I hate to be the fly in the ointment, BUT.....  I'm not sure if it's a great idea.  If it is allowed then I would agree with jaclyn's post above about definately setting guidelines/rules for the blogger.  

I don't know why I disagree with it so much, maybe it's that I've grown to enjoy my time in this community and I don't want it tarnished.  I realize that adopting our daughter will not be a "bed of roses" the entire time, but I believe their will be more good times than bad!  I'm not against learning what adoptees go through, but I'd rather read it from an adoption book with several viewpoints and research than from one or two people who might have had it rough while growing up and are ready to tell the world about it.

I would just be careful RQ.  You have created an awesome community here and I would hate to see it harmed because of something like this.  In the end I think you'll make the best decision for this board, whatever that might be.

Thanks,
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I hate to be the fly in the ointment, BUT&#8230;..  I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s a great idea.  If it is allowed then I would agree with jaclyn&#8217;s post above about definately setting guidelines/rules for the blogger.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why I disagree with it so much, maybe it&#8217;s that I&#8217;ve grown to enjoy my time in this community and I don&#8217;t want it tarnished.  I realize that adopting our daughter will not be a &#8220;bed of roses&#8221; the entire time, but I believe their will be more good times than bad!  I&#8217;m not against learning what adoptees go through, but I&#8217;d rather read it from an adoption book with several viewpoints and research than from one or two people who might have had it rough while growing up and are ready to tell the world about it.</p>
<p>I would just be careful RQ.  You have created an awesome community here and I would hate to see it harmed because of something like this.  In the end I think you&#8217;ll make the best decision for this board, whatever that might be.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Matt</p>
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