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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: katienmaggiesmom</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55660</link>
		<dc:creator>katienmaggiesmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RQ, this hits home in a big way right now. We are in China, and just visited our daughter's orphanage. I am so angry. I am angry that my daughter has rickets, which could have been prevented by feeding her enough of an appropriate formula, or just bringing her outside. My daughter is barely charting on the growth charts, because she wasn't given enough to eat. It will take a long, long time before I can come to terms with what happened to her. And even longer before I can forgive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RQ, this hits home in a big way right now. We are in China, and just visited our daughter&#8217;s orphanage. I am so angry. I am angry that my daughter has rickets, which could have been prevented by feeding her enough of an appropriate formula, or just bringing her outside. My daughter is barely charting on the growth charts, because she wasn&#8217;t given enough to eat. It will take a long, long time before I can come to terms with what happened to her. And even longer before I can forgive.</p>
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		<title>By: arw</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55632</link>
		<dc:creator>arw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm angry because I spent time responding to this topic, and hasn't been posted ;(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m angry because I spent time responding to this topic, and hasn&#8217;t been posted ;(</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55631</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was quite unprepared and taken by surprise by the deep anger I felt after we received our daughter (2004, before the slowdown). It wasn't directed really at anyone or anything, just angry at the world as I was looking at my daughter, struggling and fearful. 

She came from an orphanage that I would classify as a good orphanage. She was clean and well fed, could have had one more bottle a day, but she wasn't malnourished. But she just hadn't had enough of the human contact and stimulation that she would have needed, as there wasn't enough care takers for that. Things that should be a human right for every baby. I was just angry at the world for the unfairness for my daughter, the unfairness of being abandoned at such a young age, the unfairness of not receiving the love and care that she deserved, the unfairness of meeting the harsh world way before she ever should have had to. She should have had someone -someone to love her, someone to protect her, someone to take care of her - instead of being alone among lots of other babies. The anger has now subdued, but it's still there, deep down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was quite unprepared and taken by surprise by the deep anger I felt after we received our daughter (2004, before the slowdown). It wasn&#8217;t directed really at anyone or anything, just angry at the world as I was looking at my daughter, struggling and fearful. </p>
<p>She came from an orphanage that I would classify as a good orphanage. She was clean and well fed, could have had one more bottle a day, but she wasn&#8217;t malnourished. But she just hadn&#8217;t had enough of the human contact and stimulation that she would have needed, as there wasn&#8217;t enough care takers for that. Things that should be a human right for every baby. I was just angry at the world for the unfairness for my daughter, the unfairness of being abandoned at such a young age, the unfairness of not receiving the love and care that she deserved, the unfairness of meeting the harsh world way before she ever should have had to. She should have had someone -someone to love her, someone to protect her, someone to take care of her - instead of being alone among lots of other babies. The anger has now subdued, but it&#8217;s still there, deep down.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mom2Isabel, thanks so much for sharing that!  My daughters were loved, too.  
As for why some people believe there are more children waiting than are made available, I think the suddenness and extremeness of the drop in referrals is one reason why we question the truth of what we've been told.  Hearing mixed messages from people in China and seeing some full orphanges also lends toward questioning what, exactly, is going on.  I believe abandonments are down and domestic adoption is up, but I also believe China is pushing to get more SN children adopted.  I can't say how the Olympics plays into the drop.  And considering that all governments lie to project what they want people to believe, that doesn't cause me to reject China as a place from which to adopt.  It would adopt for the child--the government line wouldn't matter to me.  I do agree that China will do what it wants to, but it doesn't hurt to vent.  In the right forum, I think it's healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom2Isabel, thanks so much for sharing that!  My daughters were loved, too.<br />
As for why some people believe there are more children waiting than are made available, I think the suddenness and extremeness of the drop in referrals is one reason why we question the truth of what we&#8217;ve been told.  Hearing mixed messages from people in China and seeing some full orphanges also lends toward questioning what, exactly, is going on.  I believe abandonments are down and domestic adoption is up, but I also believe China is pushing to get more SN children adopted.  I can&#8217;t say how the Olympics plays into the drop.  And considering that all governments lie to project what they want people to believe, that doesn&#8217;t cause me to reject China as a place from which to adopt.  It would adopt for the child&#8211;the government line wouldn&#8217;t matter to me.  I do agree that China will do what it wants to, but it doesn&#8217;t hurt to vent.  In the right forum, I think it&#8217;s healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: RumorQueen</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55626</link>
		<dc:creator>RumorQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lost the spam word thingie after the last software upgrade I had to make the moderation rules a bit more strict. Some days the system catches 50+ spam comments. Unfortunately, it also sometimes catches 5 to 10 good comments that I have to let through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lost the spam word thingie after the last software upgrade I had to make the moderation rules a bit more strict. Some days the system catches 50+ spam comments. Unfortunately, it also sometimes catches 5 to 10 good comments that I have to let through.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom2Isabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom2Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>china dad 1 said:
"What the situations and resources were is unknown, and for every bad foster parent trying to make an extra 20 dollars a month or SWI worker doing the minimum, there are 20 that did the right thing."

I couldn't agree more. I cannot ever thank my daughter's foster parents enough. I was lucky enough to get back a camera full of pictures and hope one day to be able to express my gratitude for all the love, security and care they so obviously showered on my child from 3 months to 13 months old.

When I met the SWI director, I was taken aback. Having expected a middle-aged man, I was surprised to meet a warm, grandmotherly-type woman who made weekly visits to my daughter's foster parents. I grabbed my paper with the (seemingly hundreds of) questions to ask her. When I turned back to her, her eyes were filled with tears as they moved back in forth from the computer screen (which had photos I had already uploaded onto my website) to my daughter sleeping in the crib. She started to weep and speak to me. My guide translated, "I can see that she is already deeply loved.... she is my favorite."

Well, forget it. Needless to say, I didn't get to "The Questions". We hugged and I told her, "Thank you for loving my daughter and taking such good care of her." We wept in each others arms, she went over to the crib, leaned over and kissed Isabel goodbye and then left. It was perhaps the most moving experience of my life. 
 
I know I might be in the minority but I just wanted to express that some of these children are well-taken care of and loved beyond measure during their wait to come home.

Laureen
www.babysites.com/sites/laureenmary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>china dad 1 said:<br />
&#8220;What the situations and resources were is unknown, and for every bad foster parent trying to make an extra 20 dollars a month or SWI worker doing the minimum, there are 20 that did the right thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. I cannot ever thank my daughter&#8217;s foster parents enough. I was lucky enough to get back a camera full of pictures and hope one day to be able to express my gratitude for all the love, security and care they so obviously showered on my child from 3 months to 13 months old.</p>
<p>When I met the SWI director, I was taken aback. Having expected a middle-aged man, I was surprised to meet a warm, grandmotherly-type woman who made weekly visits to my daughter&#8217;s foster parents. I grabbed my paper with the (seemingly hundreds of) questions to ask her. When I turned back to her, her eyes were filled with tears as they moved back in forth from the computer screen (which had photos I had already uploaded onto my website) to my daughter sleeping in the crib. She started to weep and speak to me. My guide translated, &#8220;I can see that she is already deeply loved&#8230;. she is my favorite.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, forget it. Needless to say, I didn&#8217;t get to &#8220;The Questions&#8221;. We hugged and I told her, &#8220;Thank you for loving my daughter and taking such good care of her.&#8221; We wept in each others arms, she went over to the crib, leaned over and kissed Isabel goodbye and then left. It was perhaps the most moving experience of my life. </p>
<p>I know I might be in the minority but I just wanted to express that some of these children are well-taken care of and loved beyond measure during their wait to come home.</p>
<p>Laureen<br />
<a href="http://www.babysites.com/sites/laureenmary" rel="nofollow">http://www.babysites.com/sites/laureenmary</a></p>
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		<title>By: hopingfor08</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55623</link>
		<dc:creator>hopingfor08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherry, I made the very first post to this blog and my comment had to await moderation. :)) I think only some comments get this message b/c of key words in them. I can guess right off which ones in mine made the system hold my comment. I think RQ has commented on this before maybe. Anyway, I think CTG is right in saying that your comment will eventually appear but not until RQ or maybe another mod. (not sure if they can approve or not) has a chance to review it. It does NOT mean you did anything wrong, just that you have a word or words in there that flagged your comment for moderation. Does this make any sense?:)

Hey I wonder if this will be flagged? :))

This has been a great forum of discussion. I have no thoughts on the slowdown as I just don't have enough information. We have not traveled yet, but I know someone with a child from our daughter's orphanage saw lots of kiddos several months back on her visit there. And MOST of the children are in foster care. I wonder about all of it from all angles. I cannot believe that abandonment has shifted THIS MUCH in such a short time though.

On foster care and domestic, same thing for us as many others. Our SW told us to forget domestic as we already have two children. She said foster care in our state requires the placed child to be the youngest and our youngest was not even 5 when we explored this option. She said it would be rare to get a placement younger than 4. We would have been open to siblings though. It is not always a simple answer.

For those of you waiting for your first child, I have said this before but I am sorry and just sending you a cyber-hug. I can't imagine your pain and even losses you may have endured before this wait. I have not been there. For those of you waiting who began being told of very different wait times, again I have no real words but I am so sorry for all you are dealing with. We began this journey knowing we would do SN and knowing a realistic time frame once we received a referral and accepted it. I can't imagine being told repeatedly one thing and seeing another come to fruition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherry, I made the very first post to this blog and my comment had to await moderation. :)) I think only some comments get this message b/c of key words in them. I can guess right off which ones in mine made the system hold my comment. I think RQ has commented on this before maybe. Anyway, I think CTG is right in saying that your comment will eventually appear but not until RQ or maybe another mod. (not sure if they can approve or not) has a chance to review it. It does NOT mean you did anything wrong, just that you have a word or words in there that flagged your comment for moderation. Does this make any sense?:)</p>
<p>Hey I wonder if this will be flagged? :))</p>
<p>This has been a great forum of discussion. I have no thoughts on the slowdown as I just don&#8217;t have enough information. We have not traveled yet, but I know someone with a child from our daughter&#8217;s orphanage saw lots of kiddos several months back on her visit there. And MOST of the children are in foster care. I wonder about all of it from all angles. I cannot believe that abandonment has shifted THIS MUCH in such a short time though.</p>
<p>On foster care and domestic, same thing for us as many others. Our SW told us to forget domestic as we already have two children. She said foster care in our state requires the placed child to be the youngest and our youngest was not even 5 when we explored this option. She said it would be rare to get a placement younger than 4. We would have been open to siblings though. It is not always a simple answer.</p>
<p>For those of you waiting for your first child, I have said this before but I am sorry and just sending you a cyber-hug. I can&#8217;t imagine your pain and even losses you may have endured before this wait. I have not been there. For those of you waiting who began being told of very different wait times, again I have no real words but I am so sorry for all you are dealing with. We began this journey knowing we would do SN and knowing a realistic time frame once we received a referral and accepted it. I can&#8217;t imagine being told repeatedly one thing and seeing another come to fruition.</p>
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		<title>By: rosie</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55621</link>
		<dc:creator>rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment also awaiting moderation?  Don't think I broke any rules.</description>
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		<title>By: catherinethegreat</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/07/22/anger-part-two/#comment-55620</link>
		<dc:creator>catherinethegreat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherry, I don't know for sure, but it seems that all comments are moderated.  Some appear faster on the site than others...maybe based on the fact whether RQ is around to approve the comments or another mod is around?  I have no idea..but i doubt its your specific comments...don't hear or see any rules broken here....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherry, I don&#8217;t know for sure, but it seems that all comments are moderated.  Some appear faster on the site than others&#8230;maybe based on the fact whether RQ is around to approve the comments or another mod is around?  I have no idea..but i doubt its your specific comments&#8230;don&#8217;t hear or see any rules broken here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry in Vermont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry in Vermont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wondering why my comment is awaiting moderation? When did I get moderated, and why? Don't think I broke any rules or anything?</description>
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