Comments on: State Department 2008 FY stats http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/ Join the Rumor Queen as she looks for the latest rumors and then analyzes them, trying to figure out what the CCAA will do next. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:18:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: dadin2007 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58826 dadin2007 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:49:00 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58826 LEAH, To our knowledge, maybe we are wrong but there are not many agencies in the US or the world who are able to get children in Ethiopia. In fact, ALL of the agencies we looked at on-line noted waited times of 18-24 months for an infant/toddler. I just read today too that children in Haiti are STARVING.....why in the &%$@! are these countries not adopting more children worldwide? The thought that we are all WAITING to love and care for a child makes me SICK knowing that there are SO many kids out there waiting. I really wish that someone out there would get this to the media! It is time to let the world know what is really going on in the adoption world. LEAH,
To our knowledge, maybe we are wrong but there are not many agencies in the US or the world who are able to get children in Ethiopia. In fact, ALL of the agencies we looked at on-line noted waited times of 18-24 months for an infant/toddler. I just read today too that children in Haiti are STARVING…..why in the &%$@! are these countries not adopting more children worldwide? The thought that we are all WAITING to love and care for a child makes me SICK knowing that there are SO many kids out there waiting. I really wish that someone out there would get this to the media! It is time to let the world know what is really going on in the adoption world.

]]> By: JourneytoMia http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58806 JourneytoMia Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:17:06 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58806 got2bme~As I said in my post, we are FAR from the experts on this subject or any other in relation to all of this Hague stuff. All of the agencies that we spoke to in the greater Chicago area-about six of them told us that "as long as we meet the May 07 guidelines" that proceeding as a Hague case wouldn't be an issue. They told us as long as we meet those new May 07 guidelines that we should be fine. They told us that if we did not meet the May 07 guidelines that we should most definitely stay current with our I-171H. Like I said, we have no idea & are not experts. We just try to do our research & listen to the agencies that are giving us our guidance. It sounds like you have your facts from your agency all sorted out. I assume from what you have said that you are logged in before the new guidelines took effect & are or have let your I-171H expire & are planning to proceed as a Hague case? Well, irregardless-best of luck to us all! got2bme~As I said in my post, we are FAR from the experts on this subject or any other in relation to all of this Hague stuff. All of the agencies that we spoke to in the greater Chicago area-about six of them told us that “as long as we meet the May 07 guidelines” that proceeding as a Hague case wouldn’t be an issue. They told us as long as we meet those new May 07 guidelines that we should be fine. They told us that if we did not meet the May 07 guidelines that we should most definitely stay current with our I-171H. Like I said, we have no idea & are not experts. We just try to do our research & listen to the agencies that are giving us our guidance. It sounds like you have your facts from your agency all sorted out. I assume from what you have said that you are logged in before the new guidelines took effect & are or have let your I-171H expire & are planning to proceed as a Hague case? Well, irregardless-best of luck to us all!

]]> By: cmbj http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58756 cmbj Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:11:54 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58756 Leah Reeves, Thanks so much for your post. My daughter has a new friend this year, adopted from Ethiopia at age 3.5. They are both 5 and this little girl is AMAZING. We are so happy that she has entered our daughter's life (and ours too). If we were considering adoption again, Ethiopia would definitely be at the top of our list. Leah Reeves, Thanks so much for your post. My daughter has a new friend this year, adopted from Ethiopia at age 3.5. They are both 5 and this little girl is AMAZING. We are so happy that she has entered our daughter’s life (and ours too). If we were considering adoption again, Ethiopia would definitely be at the top of our list.

]]> By: Leah Reeves http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58743 Leah Reeves Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:33:10 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58743 Hello, I want to encourage those of you who have not thought about other countries to please just consider it. Ethiopia has MANY children in need of homes. If your family would even consider a child over the age of 4, your adoption would take 6 months or less. The dossier is not difficult and the trip to Ethiopia is about 5 days in-country. There are of course infants available to adopt from Ethiopia and the process would take anywhere from 7 months to 18 months depending on the agency you choose. Currently I work out of my home for the agency we used to bring home our beautiful baby girl. Our trip to Ethiopia was life changing in so many ways. The need for help in Ethiopia is extraordinary and you return home an activist in many ways. My daughter's orphanage was small, with only about 20 children, but each of the children touched our hearts. The children are so well cared for and loved in Ethiopian orphanages that they exude a beauty only seen in Ethiopia. Every month we have families sign up to adopt a baby girl or a baby boy, I was one of them, while our waiting healthy children sit. Currently we have a sibling group of a 6 year old girl and 5 year old brother, they are the most beautiful children you have ever seen. We have an adorable 5 year old boy and an 8 year old girl. We may have found a family for the 8 year old girl, who has been at the orphanage for over a year. She is so kind and sweet, we met her while picking up our daughter. So if you can open your hearts to child in real need from Ethiopia please DO! Children over 4 in Ethiopia have little if no hope! If you would like to ask me questions please call or email. 512.244.6444 or inadopt.texas@yahoo.com Thanks, Leah http://www.adopthope.blogspot.com/ Hello,

I want to encourage those of you who have not thought about other countries to please just consider it. Ethiopia has MANY children in need of homes. If your family would even consider a child over the age of 4, your adoption would take 6 months or less. The dossier is not difficult and the trip to Ethiopia is about 5 days in-country. There are of course infants available to adopt from Ethiopia and the process would take anywhere from 7 months to 18 months depending on the agency you choose.
Currently I work out of my home for the agency we used to bring home our beautiful baby girl. Our trip to Ethiopia was life changing in so many ways. The need for help in Ethiopia is extraordinary and you return home an activist in many ways. My daughter’s orphanage was small, with only about 20 children, but each of the children touched our hearts. The children are so well cared for and loved in Ethiopian orphanages that they exude a beauty only seen in Ethiopia.
Every month we have families sign up to adopt a baby girl or a baby boy, I was one of them, while our waiting healthy children sit. Currently we have a sibling group of a 6 year old girl and 5 year old brother, they are the most beautiful children you have ever seen. We have an adorable 5 year old boy and an 8 year old girl. We may have found a family for the 8 year old girl, who has been at the orphanage for over a year. She is so kind and sweet, we met her while picking up our daughter.
So if you can open your hearts to child in real need from Ethiopia please DO! Children over 4 in Ethiopia have little if no hope!
If you would like to ask me questions please call or email.
512.244.6444 or inadopt.texas@yahoo.com

Thanks,

Leah
http://www.adopthope.blogspot.com/

]]> By: got2bme http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58741 got2bme Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:11:13 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58741 JourneytoMia: It's completely untrue that you are unable to continue as a Hague case if you do not meet the new China requirements. THE NEW MAY 07 CHINA REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE US GOVT WILL GIVE PERMISSION TO A US CITIZEN TO BRING AN ORPHAN INTO THE COUNTRY. And also, if it were true then it would mean that all singles who made it in prior to May 07 would be automatically excluded. As a single, I know (and it has been confirmed by my agency) that I can proceed as a Hague case. To all the singles still out there - hang strong! JourneytoMia:

It’s completely untrue that you are unable to continue as a Hague case if you do not meet the new China requirements.
THE NEW MAY 07 CHINA REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE US GOVT WILL GIVE PERMISSION TO A US CITIZEN TO BRING AN ORPHAN INTO THE COUNTRY. And also, if it were true then it would mean that all singles who made it in prior to May 07 would be automatically excluded. As a single, I know (and it has been confirmed by my agency) that I can proceed as a Hague case.

To all the singles still out there – hang strong!

]]> By: Noendinsight http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58740 Noendinsight Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:38:05 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58740 I haven't been sleeping. I can't stop thinking about all the children who will never find homes - NOT just from China, but from countless countries, the ones who don't even have IA. They are haunting me. I agree it's best for a child to stay in country, but not in an institution at the expense of a family of their own. While we are becoming more and more of a global society, IA is declining. That bothers me. On another note, I did the math using the pdf stats... Guatemala 4,123 China 3,902 Russia 1,861 Ethiopia 1,725 Korea 1,065 Vietnam 751 Ukraine 465 Kazakhstan 380 India 307 Columbia 306 Haiti 302 Philippines 291 Taiwan 267 Liberia 249 Nigeria 148 Mexico 105 Ghana 101 I haven’t been sleeping. I can’t stop thinking about all the children who will never find homes – NOT just from China, but from countless countries, the ones who don’t even have IA. They are haunting me.

I agree it’s best for a child to stay in country, but not in an institution at the expense of a family of their own.

While we are becoming more and more of a global society, IA is declining. That bothers me.

On another note, I did the math using the pdf stats…

Guatemala 4,123
China 3,902
Russia 1,861
Ethiopia 1,725
Korea 1,065
Vietnam 751
Ukraine 465
Kazakhstan 380
India 307
Columbia 306
Haiti 302
Philippines 291
Taiwan 267
Liberia 249
Nigeria 148
Mexico 105
Ghana 101

]]> By: ParrotMad http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58737 ParrotMad Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:51:36 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58737 DebL and Wait4ever, AmyfromMaine and Movingon, you are acknowledging the trauma this wait is having on all of us (childless) people and acting in the best way for you - well done!. It is the hardest thing in the world to ACCEPT that the plan we had for a family will not happen and move beyond that mountain of emotion/expectations. The world is SO child focused today - media/friends/family tell us that we should "live for our children" literally; it is only when you are childless (my DH and I are aged 45 with a LID of 4/07) that you realize how we have been largely DISMISSED by today's society as irrelevant because we cant say: yes I have children who go to this school and so yes we are recognized in the community and yes we are valuable citizens who are totally immersed and wrapped in this world of nurturing children. How many times have we stood there for 45 minutes listening to a proud (and I don't blame them!) mum or dad telling us about every intricate detail of their darling's adventure. It happened to me recently at a party. It was only after a long while that the mum suddenly stopped mid-sentence and said, with tears welling up - oh - I so sorry I can't imagine how painful this must be for you! There is nothing anyone can say - or do to help or comfort those in our position. We have to help ourselves and heal ourselves. The Divine Plan is a wonderful way of understanding the otherwise seemingly meaningless pain we are experiencing. Who knows what we are really going to achieve for the world if we let this "family fantasy" go. DH and I are staying in the NSN program at this stage and just dealing with the pain. I'm starting to get scared about the toll that is taking on my health etc. But, we just have no other options, (Infertility; No SN program in Australia; no local adoption; can't qualify for other programs... so China NSN is it). So well done guys for having the guts to reclaim your lives. We are not yet able to do that, but your blogs have been truly inspirational. DebL and Wait4ever, AmyfromMaine and Movingon,
you are acknowledging the trauma this wait is having on all of us (childless) people and acting in the best way for you – well done!. It is the hardest thing in the world to ACCEPT that the plan we had for a family will not happen and move beyond that mountain of emotion/expectations.
The world is SO child focused today – media/friends/family tell us that we should “live for our children” literally; it is only when you are childless (my DH and I are aged 45 with a LID of 4/07) that you realize how we have been largely DISMISSED by today’s society as irrelevant because we cant say: yes I have children who go to this school and so yes we are recognized in the community and yes we are valuable citizens who are totally immersed and wrapped in this world of nurturing children. How many times have we stood there for 45 minutes listening to a proud (and I don’t blame them!) mum or dad telling us about every intricate detail of their darling’s adventure. It happened to me recently at a party. It was only after a long while that the mum suddenly stopped mid-sentence and said, with tears welling up – oh – I so sorry I can’t imagine how painful this must be for you!
There is nothing anyone can say – or do to help or comfort those in our position. We have to help ourselves and heal ourselves. The Divine Plan is a wonderful way of understanding the otherwise seemingly meaningless pain we are experiencing. Who knows what we are really going to achieve for the world if we let this “family fantasy” go.

DH and I are staying in the NSN program at this stage and just dealing with the pain. I’m starting to get scared about the toll that is taking on my health etc. But, we just have no other options, (Infertility; No SN program in Australia; no local adoption; can’t qualify for other programs… so China NSN is it).
So well done guys for having the guts to reclaim your lives. We are not yet able to do that, but your blogs have been truly inspirational.

]]> By: dadin2007 http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58736 dadin2007 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:32:55 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58736 We are in the same place.....so close and so far away. The wait has been so difficult for everyone! I wish all of you the strength to hang on OR to let go. It is so unfair for China to continue to be so inconsistent, so unfair and so hurtful to us and all of the children. There are children out there and I cannot wrap my mind around how anyone in the position and with the power to bring positive change to the world and to provide an orphan with a family, would do what the Chinese government has done. Shame on them. No-one knows what tomorrow will bring-it could all change next month. Lets hope............. We are in the same place…..so close and so far away. The wait has been so difficult for everyone! I wish all of you the strength to hang on OR to let go. It is so unfair for China to continue to be so inconsistent, so unfair and so hurtful to us and all of the children. There are children out there and I cannot wrap my mind around how anyone in the position and with the power to bring positive change to the world and to provide an orphan with a family, would do what the Chinese government has done. Shame on them.

No-one knows what tomorrow will bring-it could all change next month. Lets hope………….

]]> By: kms http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58735 kms Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:23:02 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58735 Noend... I actually wouldn't be surprised if another country shot up in stats like Ethiopia. There are always programs that open and close. I'm not counting on that altering the stats from China either. Just don't think we should be following Guatemala that closely to guess the next few years stats. Actually there are very few adoptions from China if you look at it from a population percentage. But for some reason that never makes it into the reports or the articles and China is put into the position of being named 1 or 2 in IA even though % they are dead last. Noend…

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if another country shot up in stats like Ethiopia. There are always programs that open and close. I’m not counting on that altering the stats from China either. Just don’t think we should be following Guatemala that closely to guess the next few years stats.

Actually there are very few adoptions from China if you look at it from a population percentage. But for some reason that never makes it into the reports or the articles and China is put into the position of being named 1 or 2 in IA even though % they are dead last.

]]> By: lucysmom http://chinaadopttalk.com/2008/11/18/state-department-2008-fy-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-58734 lucysmom Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:16:52 +0000 http://chinaadopttalk.com/?p=1936#comment-58734 DebL, Thank you for the congrats. I will take lots of pictures for sure and be more than willing to share them. I will also continue to keep each of you still waiting in my thoughts. We have all felt the pain and the agony of this wait, and I wish there was something I could say or do to take that pain away for each of you, however I really don't know what to say other than hang in there and if it is meant to be then it WILL happen. In the meantime we can only be good listeners for one another. Hugs to all, Lisa LID 3/27/06 DebL,
Thank you for the congrats. I will take lots of pictures for sure and be more than willing to share them. I will also continue to keep each of you still waiting in my thoughts. We have all felt the pain and the agony of this wait, and I wish there was something I could say or do to take that pain away for each of you, however I really don’t know what to say other than hang in there and if it is meant to be then it WILL happen. In the meantime we can only be good listeners for one another.

Hugs to all,
Lisa
LID 3/27/06

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