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		<title>By: RumorQueen</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2009/02/06/rumors-and-rumors-of-rumors/comment-page-2/#comment-60817</link>
		<dc:creator>RumorQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>girlschmidty - excellent point. Also, for kids who are in foster care, some of them do have it really good. Some are worse off in foster care than they would have been in the orphanage, but there are foster care situations where the child has been well cared for and loved. 

In any event, you are correct that the child will not see the original handover as positive. We look different than anyone they&#039;ve ever seen before, we talk in a language they don&#039;t understand, and they are away from everything they&#039;ve ever known.  It doesn&#039;t matter if they had it bad or had it good, the handover is scary and different and you can&#039;t expect them to realize that it&#039;s for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>girlschmidty &#8211; excellent point. Also, for kids who are in foster care, some of them do have it really good. Some are worse off in foster care than they would have been in the orphanage, but there are foster care situations where the child has been well cared for and loved. </p>
<p>In any event, you are correct that the child will not see the original handover as positive. We look different than anyone they&#8217;ve ever seen before, we talk in a language they don&#8217;t understand, and they are away from everything they&#8217;ve ever known.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if they had it bad or had it good, the handover is scary and different and you can&#8217;t expect them to realize that it&#8217;s for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: girlschmidty</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2009/02/06/rumors-and-rumors-of-rumors/comment-page-2/#comment-60813</link>
		<dc:creator>girlschmidty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overjoyed -
I appreciate your comments and perspective -
&quot;I know when my son/daughter is placed in our arms it will be one of the happiest days of my life, but everything up to that point for our child will not have been happy~ abandonment, institutionalized living or foster care.&quot;

However, I would like to take this opportunity to encourage us all to think a little differently about this - about things not being happy for our children in the orphanage, etc.  Please remember that this way of life is all they know.  To them it is normal, to us it is neglectful and devastating.  To them, they know no other way and they cannot define it us unhappy or happy.  Most of the children are far too young to comprehend this concept.  Do they know what neglect feels like?  I kind of think they don&#039;t know they are being neglected because that&#039;s the way they&#039;ve always been treated.  I only mention these things because what will be the happiest moments of our life are, at first, some of the most traumatic for them.  Being taken away from all they know by complete strangers.  Food for thought from a mom to two adopted beauties and waiting on #3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overjoyed -<br />
I appreciate your comments and perspective -<br />
&#8220;I know when my son/daughter is placed in our arms it will be one of the happiest days of my life, but everything up to that point for our child will not have been happy~ abandonment, institutionalized living or foster care.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I would like to take this opportunity to encourage us all to think a little differently about this &#8211; about things not being happy for our children in the orphanage, etc.  Please remember that this way of life is all they know.  To them it is normal, to us it is neglectful and devastating.  To them, they know no other way and they cannot define it us unhappy or happy.  Most of the children are far too young to comprehend this concept.  Do they know what neglect feels like?  I kind of think they don&#8217;t know they are being neglected because that&#8217;s the way they&#8217;ve always been treated.  I only mention these things because what will be the happiest moments of our life are, at first, some of the most traumatic for them.  Being taken away from all they know by complete strangers.  Food for thought from a mom to two adopted beauties and waiting on #3.</p>
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		<title>By: Noendinsight</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2009/02/06/rumors-and-rumors-of-rumors/comment-page-2/#comment-60803</link>
		<dc:creator>Noendinsight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jlync1 - very sad.  I wonder what would happen if she found out that there was a mixup at her daughter&#039;s birth and she went home with the wrong baby?  Would she still love her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jlync1 &#8211; very sad.  I wonder what would happen if she found out that there was a mixup at her daughter&#8217;s birth and she went home with the wrong baby?  Would she still love her?</p>
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		<title>By: arw</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2009/02/06/rumors-and-rumors-of-rumors/comment-page-2/#comment-60797</link>
		<dc:creator>arw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even prior to the earthquake, there were reports that there is a great demand for domestic adoption in China.  Here is one of them:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-20-Chinainside_N.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even prior to the earthquake, there were reports that there is a great demand for domestic adoption in China.  Here is one of them:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-20-Chinainside_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-20-Chinainside_N.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: jlync1</title>
		<link>http://chinaadopttalk.com/2009/02/06/rumors-and-rumors-of-rumors/comment-page-2/#comment-60796</link>
		<dc:creator>jlync1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an add-on to Noendinsight&#039;s comment about how some people in China may view adopting other people&#039;s children--as may some people of any culture......

This past Saturday I met friends for lunch.  One of my friends is Vietnamese.  She was born there and came to the US when she was 12.  My friend brought her mother along and the mother was silent for most of the meal, but watched how I interacted with my 4 year old daughter.  Not long before we left she asked me how old my daughter was when I adopted her from China.  I said 10 months.  She said, &quot;I don&#039;t understand people like you who can love a child who is not your own.  I could never love a child who did not come from me.&quot;  I was rather taken aback by her comment, but said, &quot;My daughter could not be more of a daughter to me even if she was born from me.  She is everything in the world to me.&quot;  My friend&#039;s mother just shook her head and said she could never feel that way.  

Needless to say I had nothing more to say to my friend&#039;s mother after that.  I know there are many people from many different cultures who feel the same way or who feel you should only adopt from your own culture.  I got asked a lot why I chose to adopt from China rather than the US.  I just let their comments flow over my head and realize that not everyone is open-minded.  That&#039;s just how the world is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an add-on to Noendinsight&#8217;s comment about how some people in China may view adopting other people&#8217;s children&#8211;as may some people of any culture&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>This past Saturday I met friends for lunch.  One of my friends is Vietnamese.  She was born there and came to the US when she was 12.  My friend brought her mother along and the mother was silent for most of the meal, but watched how I interacted with my 4 year old daughter.  Not long before we left she asked me how old my daughter was when I adopted her from China.  I said 10 months.  She said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand people like you who can love a child who is not your own.  I could never love a child who did not come from me.&#8221;  I was rather taken aback by her comment, but said, &#8220;My daughter could not be more of a daughter to me even if she was born from me.  She is everything in the world to me.&#8221;  My friend&#8217;s mother just shook her head and said she could never feel that way.  </p>
<p>Needless to say I had nothing more to say to my friend&#8217;s mother after that.  I know there are many people from many different cultures who feel the same way or who feel you should only adopt from your own culture.  I got asked a lot why I chose to adopt from China rather than the US.  I just let their comments flow over my head and realize that not everyone is open-minded.  That&#8217;s just how the world is.</p>
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		<title>By: Noendinsight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noendinsight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very disturbed by the thought that Chinese couples can have so much trouble adopting when children are being referred internationally.

As far as the children orphaned due to the earthquake...it seemed as if they were valued more because they were &quot;wanted&quot; by their birthparents.  They weren&#039;t &quot;thrown-away.&quot;  Some Chinese who would never consider adopting an abandoned baby suddenly stepped forward interested in adopting a true orphan.  

I&#039;m obviously not speaking of ALL people in China, but some, and that&#039;s in line with some of the cultural aspects we’re aware of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very disturbed by the thought that Chinese couples can have so much trouble adopting when children are being referred internationally.</p>
<p>As far as the children orphaned due to the earthquake&#8230;it seemed as if they were valued more because they were &#8220;wanted&#8221; by their birthparents.  They weren&#8217;t &#8220;thrown-away.&#8221;  Some Chinese who would never consider adopting an abandoned baby suddenly stepped forward interested in adopting a true orphan.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m obviously not speaking of ALL people in China, but some, and that&#8217;s in line with some of the cultural aspects we’re aware of.</p>
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		<title>By: aino</title>
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		<dc:creator>aino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know for a fact that my Chinese friends applied to adopt a child orphaned by the earthquake.  They have not been able to conceive after many years, and have been trying to adopt with the full support of their families.  They were matched with a little girl but the adoption was ultimately disrupted by the child&#039;s extended family, who changed their minds about agreeing to the adoption.  They are now waiting in a different program.  I know that people in China have traditionally not been open about adoption, but, as RQ has pointed out, that is changing, particularly in the cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know for a fact that my Chinese friends applied to adopt a child orphaned by the earthquake.  They have not been able to conceive after many years, and have been trying to adopt with the full support of their families.  They were matched with a little girl but the adoption was ultimately disrupted by the child&#8217;s extended family, who changed their minds about agreeing to the adoption.  They are now waiting in a different program.  I know that people in China have traditionally not been open about adoption, but, as RQ has pointed out, that is changing, particularly in the cities.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristineG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristineG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, RQ! Thank you so much for the information. I never knew any of that about their domestic adoptions. 
--ChristineG
  LID 12-25-07</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, RQ! Thank you so much for the information. I never knew any of that about their domestic adoptions.<br />
&#8211;ChristineG<br />
  LID 12-25-07</p>
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		<title>By: RumorQueen</title>
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		<dc:creator>RumorQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Christine, most who have fertility problems are more likely to go through the black market to get a baby. They will never tell the child or any relatives the child was adopted. It is not unusual for a woman to fake a pregnancy and then register the child as biological, so that family members and friends of the family will accept the child as part of the family. That is changing some in the cities, but not in the countryside.

I&#039;ve been told that most of the domestic adoptions happening seem to be for those families who already have their legal limit of bio kids, and they adopt through an SWI because that is the only way to have another legal child (who will have paperwork and will be able to go to school) without paying a fine. 

I do not know about the children orphaned due to the earthquake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Christine, most who have fertility problems are more likely to go through the black market to get a baby. They will never tell the child or any relatives the child was adopted. It is not unusual for a woman to fake a pregnancy and then register the child as biological, so that family members and friends of the family will accept the child as part of the family. That is changing some in the cities, but not in the countryside.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been told that most of the domestic adoptions happening seem to be for those families who already have their legal limit of bio kids, and they adopt through an SWI because that is the only way to have another legal child (who will have paperwork and will be able to go to school) without paying a fine. </p>
<p>I do not know about the children orphaned due to the earthquake.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristineG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristineG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding domestic adoptions...
 A Chinese friend of mine said that her culture is not big on adoption. She said that she would like to adopt, but that neither her family nor her husband&#039;s would be accepting of an adopted child. My first thought was it had something to do with their reverence for their ancestors, but I don&#039;t know. Has anyone else heard that in general the Chinese culture is not pro-adoption? 
   I also recall hearing that China had hoped to domestically place the children who were orphaned after the earthquake and months after the event only one had been placed. Does anyone know if this is true? 
  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding domestic adoptions&#8230;<br />
 A Chinese friend of mine said that her culture is not big on adoption. She said that she would like to adopt, but that neither her family nor her husband&#8217;s would be accepting of an adopted child. My first thought was it had something to do with their reverence for their ancestors, but I don&#8217;t know. Has anyone else heard that in general the Chinese culture is not pro-adoption?<br />
   I also recall hearing that China had hoped to domestically place the children who were orphaned after the earthquake and months after the event only one had been placed. Does anyone know if this is true?<br />
  Thanks!</p>
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