One agency, 3/21 and 3/23 Phone Calls
I have reports that one North American agency made referral phone calls yesterday for their 3/21 and 3/23 families.
The box was changed on Tuesday, June 23rd to show that the CCAA has completed matches through 3/20. Which makes this an even bigger mystery.
I’m not really sure what is up with these referrals. The option are:
- They were actually LID 3/20, and the agency was slow making phone calls, so this was part of the last batch.
- The CCAA matched beyond the 20th, and this agency’s matches were sent by accident.
- This is part of another batch and we’ll get more phone calls today.
None of those sound extremely plausible to me. The first is probably the most likely, but only if the shipping company took a few days longer to deliver the package.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:24 am
My Montreal China only agency has posted on its web site that the March 20 was the date plus some families of Chinese Origin. Perhaps the other families were Chinese??
June 26th, 2009 at 8:24 am
I forgot, they do not specify what was the LID for the Chinese families.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Expedited families up to early April of ‘07 have been referred, I believe. Well past March of 06.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:48 am
There are four families in our group that got their referrals. Our LID is March 21, 2006.
We are still waiting for our call, but the office doesn’t open for another two hours yet.
:) :)
June 26th, 2009 at 9:09 am
So many more questions than answers but I hope this bodes well for the next batch of referrals reaching at least March 23rd!! Oh how I would LOVE for that to happen!!
Congrats to all those who received surprise phone calls yesterday…and hopefully more from this agency will come today!
Catherine
LID 03/23/06….Next???
June 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am
it might be a situation where there were just a few families and a few files that seemed to match up well for travel groups etc. we’ll probably never know for sure.
susan
June 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I’ve emailed my large china only agency to see what their take is on this. To me it’s huge if this is the next batch because it means we’re probably next (3/27).
And I’m not ready! Apparently 3 years is not enough time to get ready! LOL. I’ve got all next week off and I think I’m gonna be one busy lady!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I agree with RQ..I think maybe the agency was originally given the wrong LID and thats why they received their referrals (ie they were told they had an LID of 21 and 23, but really had an LID of the 20th). And I was wondering the same thing about maybe the agency sent the files out for translation first before allowing families to announce their referrals? I know that it took me an extra week to receive my referral after everyone else here on the forum had announced theirs. The only difference is that I knew I had a referral, but no details until that happenned. Maybe its the same for this group too.
Also, my next major question is how big is the referral groups for both of these dates?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
ps..congrats to those families that did receive their referral
June 26th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Ok. I feel compelled to state this. I had been hearing since the beginning of the year that China was minute by minute, month by month diverging from the LID dates. I had also heard that they are very upset with the USA. And that that could affect the LIDS we get referred to the LIDS that other countries get. A part of that was to unencumber themselves from the rule that all lids in all countries must be the same. And their not posting referral dates on the website helps this out by keeping the dates in the shadows, so to speak. I am not sure if this is a conspiracy theory or what, but this person heard it from someone in China when they went to get their baby earlier this year. As always, YMMV.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:05 am
irun2run,
I have to ask — why is China upset with the US? What in particular have US agencies and families done to upset China? Isn’t the US the major destination for most of the Chinese adoptees, including the SN adoptees? As the program becomes more focused on SN, the US should be more in favor than ever with the CCAA>
This doesn’t make much sense to me.
And I’ve never thought that China has paid that much attention to LID. We never had LID dates for either of our adoptions and there definitely were irregularities at the time of both of our referrals — that is, families who somehow mysteriously seemed to “skip ahead” in line.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Quote – I am not sure if this is a conspiracy theory or what, but this person heard it from someone in China when they went to get their baby earlier this year. As always, YMMV. – end quote
Total conspiracy theory, in my opinion. Why would some lowly contact person/guide on an adoption trip know all of this about the CCAA and their choices? And why would they tell some random PAPs?? Not buying it.
Besides, if this were true, wouldn’t people in all countries except the U.S. be sending out their cries of joy about having their referrals beyond March 20th by now? No news of referrals in Scandinavia, as far as I’ve heard.
I would be very happy if we did get another round of referrals so soon after the previous one, but I’ll believe it when I see it. I think the Canada referals are a fluke – and a very happy one for the people involved :-) Congrats to all the families who did get referrals today!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:33 am
I wonder if this is going to be like that mysterious bunch of allocations that occurred mid month for like 1 day about 6 months ago.
Sure hope that it means 23rd is Next not NEXT Next!
Maybe they have a few extra files from the group of children allocated last week so they have matched those with some suitable families who best match those babies. By doing this it reduces the numbers for the next allocation….. I’m rambling! Who knows what they are doing!?
Must go to sleep here – in Australia its 1.30 am! We just had a very successful, as in happy, fundraiser for my DD’s school. Hope we made some money too. For those in Australia we had the band Dragon (iconic 70’s band) playing – They were great! They even did “Beat It” In memory of Michael J.
LID 3/23/06
June 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Ok… wait… I could be getting a little ahead of myself here… or maybe, because I’ve been on pins and needles these last couple of days, I’m not understanding what’s going on. But that one NA agency rumored to have called their 3/21 and 3/23 families… If that is so, then what about the 3/22 families? (we’re 3/22) Has any 3/22 family heard anything?
June 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Our Canadian Agency just reported that our 03/21 & 03/23 groups received referrals. Wishing all with 03/22 LIDs get good news soon!
June 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I have also heard from sources that CCAA is annoyed with the US with regards to the media giving an opinion about the new restrictions and one media outlet did comment on the weight restriction by saying it is discrimination in the eyes of the US. I have also heard they were tired of US agencies always pushing issues with regards to PAPS who may not qualify for China, and the fact that the agencies and PAPS want to enforce their own rules with regards to the restrictions China has implemented. They feel it is bullying.
Now this is what I have heard, it is not factual.
I know that another country is not a fan of the US adopting their children. This was outlined on a particular website by
a lady who has been involved and facilitates adoptions in that country, it may or may not explain the excruciating slow process of what use to be a rather quick one. Apart from the usual corruption, this is also an added problem.
Now, this is what she believes and has experienced. She lives in that country, and many people have adopted through her.
June 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I just spoke to my Canadian agency and they have not received any referrals for March 21st…they are looking into it right now and I’ll let everyone here know if anything happens!! I have a vested interest since our LID is March 21st!! Pretty cool rumors though!!
June 26th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Confirming previous post. Canadian agency reports groups with LIDS of March 21st and March 23rd received referrals. Next LID with this agency is March 28th. Announcement made under banner, “Breaking News From China!”
China4
June 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
well… Canada is part of North America… so maybe this was that agency RQ had heard about… but the fact that you’ve confirmed this for us, Madison, is terrific news! I didn’t know what to believe or make of all of this. So they really did say 3/21 and 3/23??? OMG! I’m so nervous! And I can’t help but wonder… if 3/21 and 3/23 families got their calls, will we 3/22′ers get ours? I’m having such a hard time concentrating on anything else right now. I’m so nervous! Congrats to all the 3/21 and 3/23 families who got your calls today (and any other 3/21 and 3/23 families who could still get your calls). And good luck to the 3/22 families (mine included)! If 3/21 and 3/23 families got calls today… I wonder what the chances are that we’ll get ours. I pray and hope we’ll get one soon!
June 26th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
CTG, this Canadian agency always calls immediately upon receiving referrals. They’ve never held onto them until they’ve been translated. Their last LID was March 14th, and, as I said previously, their next LID is March 28th.
Just in case this sheds some light on things (though not sure it will), those with a LID of March 21st were DTC on Feb. 28/06, and those with a LID of March 23rd were DTC on March 10/06.
China4
June 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Perhaps that Canadian agency did not have any 3/22 families. This is not the first time we’ve heard rumors of families beyond the announced cut-off date receiving referrals. I think it’s happened at least twice before in the past 6-12 months. It looks like the date in the box now means “everyone at least up to that date” has been matched and possibly a few beyond. Of course, occassionally we do hear of a handful of people that were “missed” but that is usually explained as a wrongly assumed LID, or misplaced/misrouted referrals.
I agree with the theory that this agency had just a few dossiers for that date, and they just happened to match up nicely with other families matched in this batch, or something similar.
June 26th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
This is just too weird. I’m not putting much stock in this — just weird.
3/21/06
June 26th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
as we know was the biggest month on record. it could take them 10 months to get through it with 40% attrition. the original number of dossiers they received must have overwhelmed them. they could very easily have given some lid dates that were approx.
June 26th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
This is just too weird. I’m not putting much stock in this — just a weird fluke or mistake.
3/21/06 LID
June 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Our agency in Canada confirmed they did get the referrals for the 21st and 23rd..they didn’t have any 22nd LIDs.The children are 7 months to 2 yeras old ,from Yunnan,Jiangxi,Guangdong and Neimenggu provinces.SO excited for them …. we are getting closer!
June 26th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Oh ..their LIDs were really their LIDs
June 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Our agency did not have any 03/22 LID’s. I was trying to figure out if the DTC were close in dates but the 03/14 had DTC of Feb. 16, 03/21 had DTC of Feb. 28 and 03/23 had DTC of March 10. So, I can’t even begin to figure out how these LID’s could have been considered 03/20.
Thoughts?
June 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I’ll still continue to dream, until someone comes and pinches me :)
Yes, I think you could be right waitN4Grace. Maybe it is a fluke? Anyway, whether it is or not, you ARE next!!! And I’m coming right after you! (3/22)
June 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
A bit off topic, but wondering why my posts are being moderated (I’ve been on this board for many years and have never, to my knowledge, gotten into trouble). I sent two posts earlier, neither has shown up yet.
??????
China4
June 26th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I have word from my Canadian Agency who never gives any info out that they received referrals for two groups one for March 21st and the second for March 23rd. Wow! Congratualations to those who are receiveing the biggest surprise of their life!
June 26th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
My agency always said not to get to attached to LIDs, they are not so “official” and more like a ballpark number. Back in the day when they referred a month at a time. It didn’t matter if they told you your LID was say 8/16 but really it was 8/26 or vice versa. Now of course a mix up like that would be huge as even a day or 2 is.
I just think given the fact that they don’t do a month at a time we are going to see this happen from time to time. S&*ks. Add to the fact of how big a month is and the likelihood of a paperwork date snafu, is just not unexpected.
June 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
I wanted to add. I also think they are trying to be efficient in matching, so perhaps an agency might have just a few dossiers a day or 2 ahead and they have children ready. So they are trying to keep the agency folks together and match the children. Again, when more days were done in a batch this probably happened only it was not apparent. Now it is.
If it gets a child to a forever home quicker, than holding a file for a month, I think that is a good thing.
June 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
I should also add it only stinks when they do a couple days ahead and it isn’t you. Or you are the one who thought your LID is earlier than the CCAA thinks it is. For the new families great.
OK really done
June 26th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
That is very strange, My China only agency recieved referrals for 3/16. and the next LID was 3/21. And none of them got a referral. So who knows. But congrats to those who got a referral.
June 26th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
We are 22Mar as well, and our agency hasnt gotten anything. Im quite nervous now that we may have been skipped. I hope I am wrong.
June 26th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Hi, I am one of the totally surprised, astounded, jaw on the floor moms that received the incredible phone call yesterday afternoon. Too much in shock to remember how to post anything here yesterday. My file was most definitely logged-in at CCAA on March 23rd, 2006–at any rate, this was what my agency was told and passed on to me. I am not an expedited family in any way. My agency was expecting my referral in September although I was thinking maybe the end of August, although with H1N1, who knows? I was most perplexed to look in on APV last evening and see absolutely no referral postings or rumours, ditto for the other places I checked, including here.
I am over the moon with joy to receive the referral of a beautiful baby girl from Yunnan province. I do feel compassion for the other families who are not as lucky as me and are still waiting. I have no idea why this occurred. Like RQ, the only thing I can think is that there was an error in our LID’s, or perhaps a reassignment as RQ as reported here in the past. My agency also received the referrals for their March 21st LID’s with our batch. Go figure. Please don’t be too sad that you are still waiting. Take this as a sign that yours is coming soon, and get prepared.
June 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
cleoraj~ A huge congratulations to you and your family!! I’m so glad you posted here. In the past when this has happened some people have felt like they shouldn’t post their good news as to do so would be met with unkind responses but I’m sure no one would do that. For whatever reason, your agency rec’d these additional referrals, YEAH!!! There’s nothing any of us can do about what ccaa chooses to do except sit tight and wait our turn.
Its interesting that your agency rec’d these after the big bulk of referrals were sent out. So maybe there were just a few children’s files that came in late or were left over some reason??? I’m sure we’ll never know the exact reason but should just celebrate that more families have been made!!
Congratulations again!!
susan
June 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
FirstBaby… we’re 3/22 and I have to say that I’m also a bit worried… Well, maybe worried isn’t the best word. I don’t think we’ve been overlooked. I really do think there was some kind of error and this one Canadian agency was very, very lucky (what a way to end the week, huh?)? I’m really so happy for them, but I was so hoping when I read the subject header today that it was going to be our turn today as well! (I figured, they did 3/21 and 3/23, so that meant that 3/22 people were going to get calls.)
These last couple of months, I’m sure you (and anyone else who is this close) will attest, have been the hardest. I really hope they do the 22nd next month. Can’t take any more of this anxious, nervous feeling in my stomach! This will be our first baby (very first… we have no bio children) and after waiting this long, we’re just so ready to be parents!
Keeping our fingers crossed for everyone who’s next!
Oh, and China4… if it makes you feel any better, my posts are being moderated as well these days. Not sure what that’s all about, but I know I’m always extra cautious about the way I say things (never been offensive or rude or anything like that). Maybe everyone’s comments are being moderated?
June 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
My agency’s next LID is 3/22 – they have over 10 families with that LID and no news….
June 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
At Last…..we got her picture. Check her out!
http://atlastmilanascominhome.blogspot.com/
June 26th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
It makes perfect sense to me the LIDs were marked wrong.
But it also makes perfect sense to consider the matching team added a handfull of referrals from the next set.
If, for instance, a group of kids were referred from one orphanage, if there were 3-4 childrens dossiers left from an orphanage and it makes more sense to group them in with the other children referred from the same orphanage, why not go forward?
With our first daugther, one of the children was from a different orphanage, but same province. Our agency got that child referred.
We’ll never really know, but hey, it’s better to have MORE referrals than less expected.
June 26th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
So, to explain the Canadian thing – we have provinces (like the American’s have states) and the agency in Canada that received the referrals, all of their referals seem to be coming from provinces in the eastern part of Canada – and so far, of the people who received their referals – people in the Western part of the country have not got their referrals. I am in the Western part of the country with the agency that has not gotten referrals, so I will let you all know if I hear anything at all!! Here’s to an exciting weekend!!
PS – my comments are always moderated too and I’ve never had one refused, so who knows???
June 26th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Hello
Just trying to get a grasp on the numbers. Am I correct in that only a few agencies in Canada received referals for thed 21 and 23? I wonder how many families? Does any one have a guesstimate on how many families?
LID
5/30/06
June 26th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
How do you guys know you are being moderated?
Sometimes when it is busy as in a lot of people on line at once, probably like today, when you post a comment I believe it may take a few minutes to show up but not because you are being moderated but because it is very busy. Some people will post multiple times because they think the first one did not work but if they had waited a few minutes their first and second post show up together.
Congratulations to all the new parents share pictures with those of us still waiting please!!!!
pw
LID
03/21/06
NEXT!!!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
We know we’re being moderated, because when we post, we’re told our post is awaiting moderation :-)
China4
June 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Wanda,
Congratulations on seeing Milana’s face..At last!!!
M2I
http://www.MyChineseShamrock.blogspot.com
June 27th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Our Canadian facilitator has received referrals in this latest go around for our particular travel group. We are waiting to hear about ourselves(LID 03/21/06), and was assured that we would receive word “soon”. Does that mean more are coming, or that we will hear in July with the next batch? If we hear in the next few days, my guess(based on LIDs of some of our group & past history) is that 1) CCAA likes to match groups together as a group, but 2) when you have LIDs from 03/17/06-03/23/06 in the same group as we do, and your cfficial cut off is 03/20/06, you “reach into” the LIDs of 03/21-23/06 just to complete this group so that they can travel together.
Waiting in Calgary-maybe we have the same agency as all the referrals in our group have been from Central Canada so far and none in the West, and none in Eastern Canada yet that I am aware of.
My take on the Canadian thing(and not patriotism, as I am dual citizen with US) is that due to H1N1 China is being cautious about bringing too many Americans into China at this time. Maybe that is also why us Western Canadians haven’t gotten our referrals yet either?? Having grown up in Asia, it seems to make sense to me.
We’ll keep you posted as soon as we find out more.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Thanks China4 did not know that
June 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Emily’s Mom,
We too are expecting our first baby! Unless you want to count my two dogs!!! I feel the same way as you, excited, nervous, etc. It has been a long road, but hopefully it will soon come to an end for us!
Im hoping to get word from my agency in the next couple of days..they say we are in the next “batch”, but like Patiently Hopeful said..maybe there will be more to come this week, or maybe in a few weeks? Who knows. I guess we will have to wait and see. But im keeping my fingers crossed for us all! In the meantime Congrats to all who are finally getting to see their babies faces for the first time. Its all so exciting isnt it?
June 29th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
So, just to add to the fun rumors. I got an email from an aquaintance who is in the Canadian agency that got the referrals up to the 23rd(her lid is the 28th) and word floating around her agency is that the CCAA worker who usually deals with their agency is about to retire and was “clearing off his desk” so to speak and therefore sent out the early referrals…interesting…
Anyways, my two cents worth (and a big old guess) is that we’ll all get our referrals in a couple of weeks and if this batch is any indication, they will refer to March 23rd!! Happy Canada day and Independence day coming up for all of us Canadians and Americans….
06-03-21
June 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am
I’m guessing that this rumor for the 21st and 23rd is just a rumor for the next batch of referrals in July. I don’t think that it is any more then that. I wish it was so…but there has not been any posting saying that it has happen here in the States…Has anyone in Canada actually said they have a referral on these dates?
We talk with our agency last saturday at a adoption picnic and they said that there is still a speed up coming…. I hope we will see it soon.
Wait, Hope, Dream, Repeat
Teresa
LID 4-03-06
June 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
No, it is not a rumor, at this point it is a fact that families with this agency, with LID’s of the 21st and 23rd, got their referrals.
It is not widespread, just the one agency. Lkely a fluke of some sort, these things sometimes happen.
June 30th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Our Canadian agency affirmed that CCAA did NOT give any referrals past March 20/06 and anything else is just rumour. This was evidently right from a CCAA person via a phone call. I don’t know who to believe. All I can say is that if some did get referred for the 21st and 23rd, congratulations to them and Yippee! because that makes the rest of us that much closer to the greatly anticipated date!