Bad Rumor
A European agency has announced (publicly) that “due to changes in the management team of the Center for Chinese adoptions”, referrals are not likely to arrive in November.
Rumors and speculation are rampant. No one seems to believe that the new director can’t sign referrals until he gets situated. I think the two main theories are 1) The CCAA’s fiscal year ends at the end of November and they’ve used up their yearly quota so they must wait until December to send them and 2) the CCAA is trying to stretch referrals out as much as possible due to H1N1.
Maybe it’s one of those things. Maybe it’s something else. Maybe it’s a bogus rumor. I’m not holding my breath on that last one. I’m only giving this rumor (that they aren’t coming in November) an R2 until we hear confirmation from another agency, but I’m not discounting it.
If we get some confirmation of this from other agencies then I’ll go ahead and close the poll and we’ll look at those numbers. If you are still in the NSN line and you are not expedited, and you haven’t “voted” your LID in the poll, then please do. This poll has been up since the arrival of the most recent referrals. Please don’t vote from home and then from work, and please talk to your spouse so only one of you records your LID.
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RK and I have a date night planned, he’s taking me to see New Moon Saturday. I originally asked my parents if they could watch the girls for a matinée on Saturday, but the girls and my parents got together and decided they would spend the night Saturday night. Which means we get to do dinner and a movie and then we have the house to ourselves that night and won’t have to be quiet. Which means I won’t be on the computer any Saturday night. We only do this once or twice a year, so it’s kind of a big deal when we do.
I debated whether or not I wanted to see New Moon in the theaters because I was so disappointed in Twilight. If they mess up the werewolves as much as they messed up the vampires in sunlight then I doubt I’ll go see Eclipse. I’m hoping that with a new director in place that this one will be better.
I will be away from my computer(s) until around 12:30 or 1:00 today.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Not the kind of rumor we were hoping for today. I need to keep my chin up and press on or look for a bag of m&ms.
LID: 3/29/06 [on hold, paused, still waiting]
November 19th, 2009 at 9:17 am
If its not one thing its another……..
Kristy
LID 4/21/06
November 19th, 2009 at 9:22 am
This just absolutely SUCKS! Yet another delay. What’s next???????
November 19th, 2009 at 9:23 am
:(
No words today……. well, two, I suppose…… “not surprised!”
LID – 4/4
It’s getting to the point where I think my family and friends are all sure that my husband and I are just making this entire, “Yes, we’re adopting!” story up!! lol….. I’m starting to wonder myself!! :(
November 19th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Where, oh where is that P12 Guy when you really need him?????
Ok, fine, guess I’ll have to do it myself:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
This blows!
Cindy
LID 5/30/06…so close, yet so very far
November 19th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Totally agree with you Vikki
November 19th, 2009 at 9:46 am
oklahoman-
Plain, peanut or the yummy mint ones that come out at Christmas?
M2I
http://www.MyChineseShamrock.blogspot.com
November 19th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Vikki says- I hear exactly what you are saying. I am sure we have friends that think we made the whole thing up. Especially since we have not changed programs or anything. I know some of them think that we should just adopt domestically or where ever we can get a child. They don’t understand why we wait. There are days, like today, that I have to question it too.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Truly, I never want to say something in a comment out of frustration that I will later regret or have to eat.
But I have a sinking feeling that this might as well be an R5.
Even with a “package” on the way to an agency…my thoughts were that it is highly unlikely there would be no reports of other agencies saying the same thing if it was in fact referrals. Just another batch of some other paperwork, likely.
There was something in me that actually never saw this coming. How did that happen? Never saw getting skipped over three months when our date was at the front. They skipped referrals in Sept. They cutoff a day before us in October. And now potentially nothing in November so that someone who has been promoted from WITHIN and should very well know how the process works, can take time to review how referrals are processed? Umm. Yeah, right.
How should that make us feel after almost four years? Tired. Irritated. Emotionally drained. Agreeing with Vicki above – our friends and family must think we’re certifiable for all the “this week”…”no, maybe this week”, “no, actually maybe next week”, “actually, maybe next month”, “wait, not this time, maybe next time”.
Oh mah gah!
Stick a fork in me, cuz I’m so done…
(Now see, if referrals did show up next week, I’d be eating all of this…and feeling bad for venting…sigh)
November 19th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Rumor Queen,
Is there anyword on the TA situation? We are in the NSN waiting on our TA for about 2 months.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Wait correction . . . we are in the SN TAs.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:06 am
BAD rumor is right! Gosh….this is sooooooooooooooo frustrating! It seems the closer you get the further you get. We just want our daughter SO badly!
LID – 4/3/06
Here’s hoping for better news for ALL of us waiting families out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I agree with Vicki’s and Bushelpeck24′s comments…this is just so discouraging, maddening, confusing…it’s been a tough week around our house – just when we thought we’d see our little one’s face “next,” new delays are on the horizon. Is it possible that the CCAA will now begin sending out referrals every other month? Oh, please, tell me it won’t happen…..
LID 4.5.06
November 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Bad rumor! BAAAAAAD rumor!!! Shame on you! Go away! Crawl back to were you came from! BAAAAAD rumor!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am
i’m just sick and depressed and mad– i better not drive today! there’s always a part of me that sees this coming and i’m mad cuz my optimist keeps taking over my heart and brain.
3/29/09
November 19th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Ugh. My depression has turned to anger and I don’t want to go there. Just a little good news, please, so I can get out of my funk!!!
03/29/06
November 19th, 2009 at 11:44 am
correct me if i’m wrong – but the SN lists the past few months seem to support a yearly quota. a much larger percentage of the children have been harder-to-place when compared with the rest of the year.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Talk about a slowdown. So from September through December CCAA will only do 2 batches. People have now waited 44 months. The treatment of waiting families is truly disgusting. People just deserve to know what to expect.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Yuck. I’m so sorry for everyone waiting – but especially for those who are so close. Hope the rumour turns out to be no more than that. Otherwise, hope those referrals arrive first thing in December.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I feel so sorry for those late March and early April families. I hope that in December you are able to see your beautiful babies’ faces for the first time.
As for me I don’ t think it is ever going to happen.
LID August 2006
November 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
MacyGirlInChina – I’m laying low because we are leaving for China next week! Kind of feeling like we dodged a bullet here… even though several had already hit us over the last 4 years :(
Out of solidarity, my final: Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
This is just heartbreaking. I so feel for all of you late March and early April families. I also feel for the rest of us, so close and yet so far, as well as those that are so far that they are reaching the end of their ropes. This rumor was so hard for me to read today. We unofficially dropped out about 2-3 months ago and let everything expire. We chose to get on board because it did not feel right to us. i thought for sure with 2 months out from LID- i could expect to be on a more positive road. I fear that the new director will bring changes we are not happy with- starting with a delay of referrals. I am just beaten down. :(
5/29/06
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
This Rumor is a bummer one, but a Rumor it is. Perhaps true, perhaps not. My heart goes out to everyone waiting, including me!
The CCAA has a yearly quota? A yearly quota of babies they can refer? What is that number and how do we know how many babies have been referred so far?
Is it possible they will keep matching more babies and refer more than usual in December if this Rumor proves true?
Any thoughts?
Warm Aloha from Hawaii.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
“have the house to ourselves that night so we won’t have to be quiet.” :-)
Thanks for the giggle, softens the bad rumor.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
we have a late may 2006 lid and are starting to really question if we will ever see a referral.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
haaa haaaaa haaaaaa – kms!
I thought I was the only one that thought that when I read it.
And to those who are LID 3/29, etc. I am so, so, so heartily sorry. So sorry. I will remember you all in my thoughts and prayers for the rest of the month . . . I can’t even imagine.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
What does it mean that they have a quota?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
This is adoption month, the best time for referrals to be going out. What is going on? This is nuts, of all months, this should be happening this month.
It would be a nice surprise if they did have to skip this month due to a new director, if he would get things happening and more and more referrals going out in 2010.
Let’s hope for a happier new year with more referrals.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
This is just one more F%#$&*$@# B(*&^%$% Way of discouraging us into submission. EVERY month I tell my wife to hang on that we are getting closer. This time she calls me from her work balling and I thought something terrible had happened at work. I finally got it out of her and NOW I just want to go OFF on some CCAA officials. I/We have never been SO disappointed in this long wait as we are today. Poo on them. I said we are considering dropping in a post in the forum, and crap like this may just send us over the edge. Maybe we’ll take the $15k we’ve saved for the last 2 years and take a LOOONNNGGG vacation. We are still at least 8 to 10 months away IF they started picking up, but now every time I tell her to “hold on, we are almost there”, something else comes along and screws with the wait time. F*&&^#$ S*&^# A$$*^%%. ARGGGGHHH
November 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
mdwaiting–
Some have speculated that there is a quota for the total number of children (NSN+SN) adopted out of China each year. No one knows for sure, but many suspect that there is one. The CCAA new fiscal year begins on December 1 and so if there are no referrals in November, it is plausable to think that it could be due to an overall yearly quota. But….since the CCAA has never said there is a quota and no one knows exactly how many matches are made per year in order to compare yearly data, we really don’t know anything for certain.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Count me as not surprised, I had just posted in the previous thread that I was already assuming that November was being skipped. The “change in management” is yet another in the long line of passive aggressive delay tactics. We should see if we can compile a list of all that have been used to date. The danger for us 3/29 is that referral in December puts travel close to the Chinese New Year, which….yes, you guessed it, will probably amount to more delays.
So for the next Rumor Queen Poll…..for the next delay the excuse would be:
1) Meteor
2) Typhoon
3) Negative reviews for Palin’s new book
4) Bad coffee
5) Thursday
6) New Orleans Saints losing a game
7) Phase of Moon
8) No toilet paper in one of the ladies room stalls
Black humor always arises in stressfull situations, it is a normal defense mechanism.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
P12- I knew you were still lurking. Thanks for the solidarity, and we truly shall miss you. You should still pop in from time to time.
Wishing you so many smiles your face freezes like that when you finally get your child! You’ve put your time in, now it’s your turn for happiness and joy!
eversopatientnot- I hear ya, brother! My husband has also been telling me to hang on a little longer, blah, blah, blah. I’m the one who keeps saying that we could have a wonderful month eating and drinking our way through a few European countries with this money!
I have cursed, swore, cried, poured another drink and done it all again. But we have not dropped out. There must be some small part of me that either has a bit of hope, or really likes the punishment.
So, pour yourself a glass of _______, and toast your resiliance. It’s all we can do, really.
Cindy
LID 5/30/06
November 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
RQ, I hope you didn’t “make up” this rumor???
November 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
But what a wonderful Christmas gift in December for March LID’s And a Happy New Year for the early April LID’s
hope and blessing
Teresa
LID 4/03/06
November 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
RQ have a nice day and evening saterday!!!!!!!And thanks for all you do.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
This might be the last straw… we have an LID of 5/06 and I bet we still have another 18 months… we may be done… will seriously consider, because this is unconscionable and I don’t think I can do this anymore…
November 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
the thought that 18 months from now they could be sending referrals to families who submitted paperwork five years prior seems amazing to me. how is that possible? so much changes in that time. are they really some day going to be sending referrals to families seven…eight years after their lid’s?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
lots of hope,,,
With a 5/06 LID, my bet would be on a summer referral for 2010. Beleive me, I would trade places with in in a second. We have been waiting 10 yrs. now for one child. We started in May 2006. Lid 1-07. We let our paperwork expire because we were do for our third renewal and we are at least 3-4 more yrs. away. We looked at other international programs but do not qualify. Keep your chin up. Rememer, there are thousands of PAPs who would die for a May o6 LID. I hope that gives you hope and now maybe you fell a “little bit lucky”. Best wishes always!:)
November 19th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Fesnet wrote:
“So for the next Rumor Queen Poll…..for the next delay the excuse would be:
1) Meteor
2) Typhoon
3) Negative reviews for Palin’s new book
4) Bad coffee
5) Thursday
6) New Orleans Saints losing a game
7) Phase of Moon
8) No toilet paper in one of the ladies room stalls”
Thanks SOOOOO much!!!
I cracked up!
Thanks for reminding me jow humor has always helped me endure the worst of times in my life.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
I spoke to my agency this morning and she said she could not confirm the rumor that no referrals in November. She said she heard no Special Needs Referrals. It certainly doesn’t look good at this point. December is 2 weeks away. I can’t imagine the agony for those who have waited almost four years. It is definately heartbreaking. I hear your pain in your comments. I don’t think I understood the frustration until now as I wait for our TA for our 5 year old in the SN program. I too was in a funk last week for entire day over the delays.
I highly recommend the SN program. It seems scary and uncertain to take on a child with a special needs. However, you can be very specific on what you are able to handle.
They have babies with repaired cleft lips and cleft palets who will lead normal lives. My friend has a beautiful 6 year old girl adopted at age 4 after spending 4 years in a crib. She had a whole in her heart which was repaired when she was two. She is such a precious girl and you would never believe her humble beginnings.
We requested a mild disability such as cleft lip/cleft pallet 2-6 year old girl. We were matched with a 5 year old healthy girl.
I hope that this helps some of you who are thinking of dropping out. This is our 2nd Adoption from China. I can’t imagine waiting four years to meet our child. I sympathize with you. It is killing me waiting the year just to get our little girl on the special needs program. You will forever be in my thoughts and prayers daily as you wait for that joyous (I DO MEAN JOYOUS) day when you meet your child.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RQ (and all),
Do you think this:
“due to changes in the management team of the Center for Chinese adoptions”, referrals are not likely to arrive in November.”
is just a precursor of worse things to come? Is this leading up to the CCAA announcing further changes to the program in the future?
November 19th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Any word if that “package” arrived and what it contained?
November 19th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
I don’t think the package was due to arrive today.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Bushelpeck, Let it all out you have the right to feel this way after 4 plus years. It’s natural. Even if referrals come in next week. You can’t hold all that stress inside your body. Go outside and scream at the top of your lungs. So what if the neighbors hear you. The stress is not healthy for your body.
The agony of waiting 2 years was bad enough. I can’t even begin to understand how all of you are holding it together.
Here is a huge cyber hug for all of you. Jamie
November 19th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“Due to changes in the management team of the Center for Chinese adoptions”, referrals are not likely to arrive in November.”
Oh yes…this is just one more BIG hint we’ve been given over the past few years…telling us to either wait it out and be happy-or get out of line.
There will never be days of one month referred per month EVER. And there will never be half months again either. I think we will all have to live with 1-3 days per month…maybe a week here and there just to give those of us who are waiting on a speedup some hope.
But there will never be a speedup like we want-just maybe a few extra days sometimes…that’s it! With a LID of 08/16/2006-we’ve waited 4 years for a healthy first (probably only) child. Somedays I want to just drop out-but I’d hate myself at giving up on my dream of being a Mom after 8 years trying for a family & 4 years of this adoption wait! We have looked into SN in depth and it is not for us…so all we can do is wait it out.
I feel for all those Next for referrals-you’ve been tortured enought these past 4 years!!
November 19th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
RQ – will you be releasing the poll results soon?
November 19th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Our main motivation for adopting was a strong sense there was a tremendous need in the world and we had the love to offer. When you wait four years and face countless setbacks with no solid explanations other than speculation and guessing it makes you wonder how much need is there really?
November 19th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Maybe this comment wont get censored!
I wonder why they don’t just close the program and take care of the people who have LIDed by the cutoff and just be done with it. What they are doing now is just causing pain for us all. We are all suffering. Of course like labor pains you forget once you have the child in your arms but the reality is that we are all suffering until that moment.
Does anyone care about our collective plight?
RQ, I think you should go for the poll suggested by Fesnet above.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Poop. :(
November 19th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Just one little word: ‘pain’
Lid : March 29, 2006
November 19th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Advise,,,with a 2007 LID, we told friends and family we dropped out. I couldn’t hear the “when” and “what’s going on” every week. I was in tears all the time. Now, noone says a word and it is MUCH easier. We let our paperwork expire, and we can go in as a Hague case(if things work out over the next 3-4 yrs.) If things work out in 3 yrs, we will tell friends and family. I couldn’t put my family through it. Now, I have the mindset to be prepared for the worst, and hope for the best. Thanks LID 1-17-07
November 19th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
fesnet, that is probably the only thing that has made me laugh all day. I’m all for the poll, but I’d never be able to choose “the New Orleans Saints lose a game” because I don’t want to jinx my man Drew Brees. Go Purdue alumni!
LID 10/2007. Devastated and heartbroken.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
I got an email from my agency today stating that at this time they anticipate additional delays in processing times for the China traditional program. They stated that it is very possible that there may be an additional 1-2 month delay while the new director reviews CCAA’s policies and procedures.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Have a wonderful time on your date RQ!
November 19th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
With a 9/12/2007 LID I could not see it ever happening for me. I voted in the poll, because at the time we were still NSN, but we have been referred a beautiful SN baby boy. So, is there any way to take me off of the poll?
Thanks!
November 19th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I do not have words! So irritating! Last month: rumor that were in the batch…then no. Now: may not be until next month? What in the world?!?!
Frustrated & ready to move on with my life w/ our “ladybug”!!!!
LID 3/29/06
November 20th, 2009 at 1:00 am
fesnet…I think you hit the nail of the head…excuse#8…no toilet paper in the ladies room. THAT IS THE PROBELM. Each time I have been to china there is NO toilet paper in the Ladies rooms! You ahve to bring your own when out and about. That is it. Will someone please ship China some TP so we can get these darn referrals out to their parents!!!!
samba in sac
talesfromthebigtomato.blogspot.com
November 20th, 2009 at 3:22 am
Delaying tactics for sure. So sorry for those sooooo close but so far away. My gut for months now has been that they will not complete March until the end of our calendar year. Am I right in recalling that last year they just got through to the end of Feb 06 at the end of Dec 08? Coincidence? Don’t think so – seems very deliberate timing to me.
My husband now reckons that they will not refer more than one calendar month per YEAR which puts us at another 12 years wait. I really feel they just want us to all fade away.
We don’t have an agency specific SN list available to us and it is these specific lists that seem to have the ‘minor’ SN children available. I have been told that the Shared list is major/severe/multiple SN which is not an avenue that we can pursue. Looks like our China dream will remain that – a dream.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:20 am
And what if we finally admited, as painful as it is, that all of this is an obvious sign for China NSN program to be ended shortly?
The number of healthy Chinese children (to be proposed to IA) declines every year a little more (which is an excellent news for them all).
Kind regards to all from France.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:59 am
There IS a positive take on all of this.
In reality before the rumour re the fiscal year all else looked very gloomy.
That would totally make sense they are only referring one month in the year, and need to hold off further NSN referrals because they have reached some set quota.
Why is that good? Because come early December they can start changing the lives of so many people again for an amazing gift from China.
In reality if you have a LID much further out you really need to look at other options. Programs change and as international PAPs we are at the whim of these changes.
And if the slowness is due to swine flu then referrals will keep coming once they are happy it has passed.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:37 pm
My problem is this, how can we switch to another program when we already spent $8,000.00 just to be logged in? I’m so upset, angry and hurt! I wish I had never started this program and just left the baby in my thoughts and dreams! If the program closes and agency’s are still advertising their China Program, what can and should we do about it? I think the agencies are purposely ripping off families with the intent and promise that they will receive a child, but in reality they know it will never happen! So many families, and so much money; how many tears will be flowed and and how do we look at China positively again!
We are in the COP program and was told we would get a referral by October by our casework and our agency! I called our agency and they said they are working on the 2006 LID right now. Are they referring children for the COP program and asking the 2006 families first if they would be interested? I’m just wondering if the COP / SN program will take years also!
I’m sitting in a tailspin now wondering how do I tell my sons who are still little that their sister can’t come home!!! Her room is ready for I thought this was a sure deal! Now I think after reading all these posts and doing research on my own there will be a lot of hearts breaking all over the world, where ever there is a China Program!!!
Cry Cry Cry, I cry for the orphans still in China! But I have horns for the CCAA and everyone else involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bah!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:53 am
F.Y.I for any families interested. Walgreen’s pharmacy has their brand of pedialyt on sale in powder form. Great for packing in your baby supplies while in China. You never know if or when you might need it for your baby/child.
When we went we were able to bring the Gerber brand. They were a life saver for another family in our travel group.
Not sure whether or not you can get in Canada or other countries. Jamie