Two European agencies are reporting the cut off as August 21st. It’s an R3 for now, but won’t take much at this point for me to push it on up to an R4.
UPDATE: It’s an R5
Reminder#1: I posted something in the Avoiding Toxins series earlier today: Avoiding Toxins – Keeping Perspective
Reminder #2: The poll will close when the next referrals arrive. If you expect to accept your NSN referral and haven’t voted yet, go here. Doublecheck with your spouse first though, to make sure only one of you fills in your information.
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February 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Fill in your own expletive here “________!”
You’ve got to be kidding!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yep, I can think of lots of applicable expletives. If this turns out to be true then… well, we’ve known the NSN program was in trouble a long time, so I don’t know what to say after the “then”.
For those included, congrats! For those still waiting, I don’t know that there is anything I can say to make anything better.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:13 am
12 Families: Forget it, This is just ridiculous. We’ll never get to September, This has gone on way too long.
I am so angry right now!!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Yep, it is the 21. For sure…. 2 agencies in my country (not spanish) shares this info from CCCWA. What will this come to be….
February 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Ugh! I was so hopeful when there was the optimistic post earlier. Is it possible that there needs to be yet another new column?!?!?!?!? Just depressing……..
LID 8-28-06
February 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
UGH is right this is freaking ridiculous!!! 12 families
To be honest I was thinking they would at least go half way and do maybe the 24th (not that it would have been more families) and then finish Aug next month. Now I don’t even know if we will be in next month with an Aug 29th lid???
It will be interesting to see what the new poll number show for the end of Aug!
Does everyone’s comments have to wait for moderation? My comments ALWAYS say that? Did I do something wrong at some point??
Congrats to those who will see their babies faces!!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I was so busy photoshopping my an imagined child into my family photo, I almost missed this awful news! So September referrals will assuredly begin no later than May . . . crazy. And there were at least 3 September days that would take 1.5 months each to refer at this rate. This rate appears to be 50 percent slower than last year. JOY . . . glad my final homestudy isn’t done yet. LOL
February 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Were i live all the agencies says that the cut off is Aug 21th.They have already posted that on theirs website.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I don’t understand August 21. I thought there are NO referrals for August 19-27-seems like they would be at least up through August 27…
LID 9-26-06
February 17th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Happy for the families that made it in, but this sucks (excuse my language) for the rest of us! Time to PhotoShop my kid into my family picture also!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
wow. that really bites.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
but, ok, if they can manage to do a week each month…. i’ll take it….
February 17th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
but tearoses they have already taken 5 months to do Aug, next month will be 6 months and we don’t even know if they will finish it then.
Dont get me wrong I love trying to stay positive but this really is an awful awful referral batch (unless you are in of course :))
February 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Happy for those included, but I feel the pain for those behind you. Just when you think the program can’t get much slower than it already is, it does. It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion. But like I always said when I was still waiting, at least referrals continue to come and every day you can check off the calendar is a day closer for your referral. Try to hang in there everyone post Aug. 21st.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Congrats to those families who are getting referrals. To the rest of us — lots of sympathy. I am so tired of this never ending story! There’s no way they’ll do a week a month — we have a few “big” days in September.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
this one is beyond crazy! I am just not sure what to do anymore.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I think you can bump it up to R5. The big US agency that never posts it unless it’s true has updated their site saying the cut off is the 21st and they believe matches have been mailed.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
i don’t think they are ever going to do more than two months per year regardless of the number of families.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I’m sorry everyone. I’m so so so sorry. We one tough bunch. Love you guys.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Noendinsight – I completely agree with you. They will continue to spread it out regardless of how few babies are in each batch. There is no way it is not a contrived slowdown, contrary to some opinions, I know.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
I’m so incredibly disappointed. Although it was a stretch, I was really hoping they’d finish up August.
Congrats to all the new families!!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Noendinsight – they did actually do more than 2 months last year but barely – they should have been through Aug in 4 months and instead it will be 6 and possibly 7!!
ionethesandbox – 100% it is a deliberate slowdown, I have said it for years, there may not be quite as many babies as there once was but there is no way it should be this slow – it is proof when people are getting referrals for babies that have been in an orphanage since birth practically yet they aren’t getting referred out until a year or more ….sooo frustrating!!! Or when you see the CCAA refer out 90 something RQ families in one month last year so they could finish up a month – they do whatever the heck they want. I am so thankful we are so close otherwise I don’t know what we would do – we are so sick of the games!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I agree with Still Dreaming of China! this is beyond a bash in the face!
February 17th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Yes, completely contrived!
February 17th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Yes, this is frustrating considering applications are still being accepted to be logged-in. Why is there never a discussion about specifically WHAT can be done and specifically WHO can advocate on our behalf? Current wait time is five plus years and increasing? Will such an inquiry truly jeopardize the program?
I do congratulate families who will experience their dream this month. Congratulations.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Slowing it down did for them exactly what they were hoping. They wanted to take everyone out of the NSN line & get them to go to the SN line. SO MANY did, most I am sure with no regrets & are thrilled that they did. The more they slow down, the more families jump lines. Deliberate & with purpose I believe. It has worked & continues to work. I believe when they want to amp up the SN lines, they slow it down even more. Our agency told us that we could have a referral in mere months if we switched lines. We were blessed to complete a domestic adoption & are in no hurry & aren’t even sure we’ll follow through if & when given a referral, but we do believe that they are doing what they are doing with intention & purpose…& it’s accomplishing just what they have hoped it would. Hard to see it as a bad thing when we know how many children who have been placed with their forever families that otherwise might have never been had this slow down not occurred.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Congratulations to all those who will receive good news in the coming days (including our friends who have had their file in China for 5 and a half years now!). As for us, I am grateful we have our beautiful daughter adopted from Hunan in 2005, but with an LID of 27 March 2007 and due for another 2 year reassessment, I think we will most likely pull our file. At this rate, our daughter will be well into high school before we even receive a second referral. This stinks! I believe it is definitely deliberate. I read on another forum recently that somebody visited their daughters orphanage recently and there were currently 500 children residing there!
February 17th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Dreaming Motherhood I agree – I know we have to tread lightly and cautiously when it comes to China but seriously?? When are we going to step up and ask some straight up hard questions??
I know that we can’t push too hard but come on – we have mutual businesses working supposedly together “our agencies and the CCAA” and it has to be a bit of give and take.
It is getting so ridiculous – at this pace it could take them 8 months or more to do September.
For us we should be in March or April but everyone further out it is just soooo awful!
February 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
i remember someone posting a story about ordering fish in at a restaurant in china. she waited and waited and waited and her food never came. she finally figured out they were OUT of fish and ordered something else.
they didn’t want to tell her she couldn’t have something she wanted so she had to figure that out on her own.
i’ve heard many similar stories. china’s culture is very different. they’re not going to say the NSN program is closed, they expect us to have figured that out at this point.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Noend,
Please. Don’t. We get it.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
It doesn’t matter if there were someone to advocate for waiting parents or if agencies pushed for the “real” answer. They are never going to start referring more NSN babies. Their intention was to move from an NSN program to an SN program, and then to an SF program. The progression is clear as day. Look for fewer and fewer easy-to-place SN files, many or most of those given exclusively to agencies who place numerous SF files. It used to be that an agency could survive (thrive) on NSN only adoptions. Now nobody can, but they opened up the SN program to other agencies via the shared list, and agencies were able to survive (thrive) on making very quick matches of easy-to-place SN files without putting a lot of effort into SF files. Now CCCWA is drawing down easy-to-place SN files so an agency will have to switch to SF or die, just like the agencies had to switch from NSN to SN or die.
It seems to me to be really clear that they are assigning batches based on calendar days, not LID sizes. If you look at the Updates and Referral Histories page, since January 2009 there have been exactly 4 batches that were larger than 6 days. Two of those included days when the CCCWA was physically closed. Of the others, one was a 10-day batch (May 30, 2011), one was a 7-day batch (Feb 24, 2011), and the rest have all been 6 days or fewer, for the last THREE YEARS. I do not believe that the CCCWA is counting batches by LID size. I think they have an upper limit in mind (6 or 7 days) and match whole days to get to that limit or below it.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I have so lost track that I thought the 21st was “good.” I’m just confused now. Congratulations to those who are (finally!) meeting their children.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
noend; while I appreciate a very different culture; we’re talking something far more significant than a fish dinner here. Call me naive or foolish, but I don’t believe the CCAA would be of the “let them figure it out” mindset. I just can’t believe that.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Congrats to the new families.
My heart breaks for the rest of you.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
We are 9-26-06 LID & our I-600A expires in August. Having to spend more money switching to I-800 is just so unfair. We received 2 forms stating we receive another “free” renewal; however, after all the rumors about this, I phoned USCIS. The supervisor I spoke with states that we have to go I-800 & the letter we received was inaccurate. Could not give me the exact law. It appears it is an interpretation. I plan on contacting my senator & I hope others will do the same. If I had not called, I would still be under wrong assumption as USCIS never notified us. Thought that we would be through August with all those days with no one logged in. No way we can get to China & back before August. Our daughter turns 9 this summer & she just doesn’t understand why her country won’t give her a sister after an almost 6 year wait.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
My agency said we should start the I-800A just in case – we are LID 8/28/06 our I-600A expires in August but we won’t be able to renew. I can’t bring myself to do it. I know we are close, but after this month hard to even know if it will happen next month….
February 17th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Our agency told us back in November when we asked about their estimate on the wait for us at that point that their best guess for our match would be July. I asked what that was based on and she said that they were figuring about 4-5 days worth of LIDs matched each month. Has anyone else heard similar information?
Ofcourse, I think we all assumed they’d skip over the week with no LIDs in it too….
February 17th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
gazmama, what is your lid?
At this rate it seems safe to say 4-5 days/month. If we’re lucky. :(
February 18th, 2012 at 8:43 am
With an LID of Nov 2012, our dream of having a daughter to join our two sons is now just that… A dream..
Maybe it’s time for us to pull our file and end our dreams here.
Sigh…
February 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am
noendinsight:
. . . and, although she didn’t request it, her dinner companion encouraged her to drink her complimentary glass of Koolaide.
There are many moving parts of this ultimate humanistic endeavor. Not every step of the process was built upon “solely” humanistic or cultural values.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Elsie… 9-19-06
February 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
gazmama,
Our LID is 9-8-06 and I’m not even sure, at this new pace, that we’ll have a referral by July. If they continue to do 4-5 days, and then we hit some big days in early September – I think the 1st and the 5th are big ones – who knows? Maybe those will be 1 day batches? If that happens, I’m looking at 2 more months to finish August, one month for the 1st of September, another month for the 2nd through the 4th, and one month for the 5th, putting me 6 months out from now – or August 2012 for a 9-8-06 LID.
Here’s where you can insert another expletive: “___________!”
February 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Our LID is 10-16-06. I stopped counting numbers a long time ago and have been counting days. It does seem to me that they have been pretty steady with 6 days worth of referrals a month. With an occasional surprise…really like those. I have been thinking that I would get a referral around November 2012 based on an average of 6 days referred a month. So, with that being said, although numbers were low, low, low. I was happy with 6 days…keeps me on track! I am trying to stay positive and be the glass half full girl (which my husband would say is soooooo unlike me!) Congrats to those seeing your sweet babies.
February 18th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I had a 5/29.06 LID and I remember thinking the last few months before referral were excruciating- because you were so close- but you just could not know when it would happen. Just know that for you 8/06, 9/06 LIDS- you are almost there and in some ways- you just need to stop watching the clock tic- because it will drive you mad. You are close enough that the light is seen at the end of this tunnel- but watching the light makes it seem dim and never ending. If I could redo those last few months before referral- I would – I drove myself insane.
Hang in there and know at some point within this year, it will happen. This is YOUR year.
As for the expiring I600′s- I do think you should get on it- it can delay your travel- there were a lot of hiccups with people traveling around my time and in my May room. You do not want to be pushed back further. I know it stinks to have to switch- but it would be worse thinking you may squeak by and then to find out you have to start a process that can take months to finish. Please consider moving forward despite your hopes that more time will be given to your families. From what I heard from a friend that was close to expiration, there will be no extension whatsoever- it is not being considered.
February 18th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
waitingformati….I agree. I’ve just been watching the number of days and not the number of referrals…therefore this 6 day batch seemed good to me, too!
fortheloveof… I have no idea how they’ll handle the big days..? I guess that would have the potential of slowing things down. How have those big days been figuring in over this last year of matching? Have you watched that closely?
February 18th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
gazmama,
I really don’t know. We knew a couple of years ago that March 2006 and September 2006 were big months, along with April 2007 (just before the May 1st 2007 changes). I think we’re about to find out how these big days are going to go. Setting my sights on August is devastating, but being realistic is far better than this continual cycle of hopeful and heartbroken month after month after month.
February 19th, 2012 at 3:00 am
I think LouiseMe is spot on. I agree, I think the days of looking at the poll numbers as a meaningful tool for referral days are pretty much over. The trend for years now has been approx. 2 months of LID’s a year.
I do think they planned to move people over to SN, but I suspect their plan to move folks over to SF will not be as successful.
To all of you waiting, so so so sorry there wasn’t better news this month. I especially feel bad for those who spent all that money on renewing their 600 over the years and now have to switch over. It just seems to take a hammer to an already broken heart.
February 19th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
I am so, so sorry to all of the families still waiting. I understand the sentiment that NSN is basically closed. I know that many, many families (including our own) have switched to SN (with no regrets). I gues my question to CCWAA would be what about the famlies that can’t switch? Some countries don’t allow SN adoptions. I get the message that their focus is now, however, what does CCWAA want those waiting to do that can’t? I understand cultural differences, I really do. It seems to me, at some point an official statement seems appropriate. I know, I know, it’s not going to happen. My heart just breaks for those who have waited so, so very long.
February 19th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I think what many of you don’t understand is that the NSN program is NOT closed. People are still getting referrals. We just have no way of knowing how many or when. That’s the frustration. I’m close enough to my LID that a month here or there won’t make a huge difference for us. It’s the people behind me for which my heart breaks. It must seem so clear to those of you who aren’t living this nightmare. Let me assure you, the reality is not as cut and dry as implied. People are really hurting with this latest batch. Please, don’t make it worse.
February 19th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
My heart leaps for the newly formed families. Congratulations.
Hope everyone else can hang in there a bit longer. I know the waiting isn’t easy.
February 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
ChickenSoup
It doesn’t appear to me that the majority of people are saying the NSN program is closed. It also appears to me that people are just speculating what this could mean based on the trends for months, if not years now. That said, of course no one has the answers to this situation. I would say the majority of people posting were really providing sympathy to those who are still waiting– as a lot of those people waited a long time, too.
February 19th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
I’m sorry, but sometimes I read into it differently. But again, when you are living the nightmare it is very different. It’s not a good day.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I was not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings. I understand that the referrals are still coming out each month. However, for those who LID’s in 2007, 2008 and beyond, I think the growing wait will make the NSN program impossible for many. My only point was I wish there was an answer for them and options. I want them to have the families they have hoped for. I waited over 5 years, I know the pain of the batches coming and being so small, I had a May 2006 LID. In fact, my switching did not save time, I traveled only a month before my LID group. I happened to see my son’s picture on a WC posting. My agency tried to talk me out of it since we were so close and there were only 2 families of our original 6 left, so I was making it a group of 1. My “group” got them the next month. So I know what the wait is like. That is why I wish families could get some real, tangible information.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Hi myjourneytosomewhere,
can you expand a little more on your statement “I do think they planned to move people over to SN, but I suspect their plan to move folks over to SF will not be as successful.”
My country seems reluctant to allow SNs so we don’t get a lot of information about it so pardon my ignorance.
Why won’t the SF program be as successful?
LID Mar 2007
February 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
littlempr- I think my opinion about this subject would rub some people wrong way and I don’t want any drama… so, I’ll just leave it at this…time will tell.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
I am not an expert on SN and SF but this is how it seems to be going. Many agencies snapped up young SN children with mild needs very quickly for their clients. This left many children with more difficult SN’s and/or older. RQ told us a few months ago that the CCCWA was now rewarding agencies who were placing many SF children (harder to place SN children who have been on the lists longer) with SN children. I can’t remember the number, something like for every 5 SF children placed 1 easy to place SN child (might have been for every 10). China has opened SF adoption to single women and has waived some other the qualifications people need to fulfill to adopt. The wait for young SN children (especially girls) with mild needs is increasing.
February 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
i didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings.
i think the NSN program is effectively closed for NEW families. i can’t imagine anyone thinking of china as a viable NSN program if you’re going to have a 2012 LID.
they are still referring families. at a snails pace, but referrals are still coming.
IF (IF) the wait hits 8 years for 2007 lid’s (which if they continue to do two months per year it will) then what does that mean for new families or families that are LID over the past 2-3 years?
February 21st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
they did ROUGHLY:
3 months in 2007
2 months in 2008
1 month in 2009
2 months in 2010
2 months in 2011
right now they are on track to do 2 months in 2012. the bad news is that number of families receiving referrals are down. obviously, that’s HUGELY bad news.
but in terms of # of days, there seems to be plan. they should finish september 2006 this year. it’s possible they’ll finish all of 2006 by the end of 2013. at the very, very, very, very, very, least, we have some idea of how referrals are falling. again, very least. it’s virtually nothing.
we adopted SN, but we are not strangers to the wait. we were told 10-12 months when we were LID and adopted SN over four years later. 4 years is not 5.5, but it’s not nothing, so i truly know everyone’s pain.